Kienzan use ( bad writing )

[TKA]

which is bad writing with in itself

A super technique being proven to not be so super isn't bad writing. That's the hallmark of Shonen series.

People have had this fanon that the Kienzan can cut through anything, even though that's at odds with how the series works. The Kienzan isn't magic: it's Ki. Against a suitably stronger ki, it should amount to nothing. That's how all ki moves work in this series.

[emperior]

That was a little stupid. Though Krillin might try to cut off someone's arms or legs with it. It wouldn't kill this way.

[Lord Beerus]

They even had Tien do a solar flare and none of the enemies even blinked. It was incredibly lazy writing.

What? The enemies did blink as well as shielding their eyes.

[TheMikado]

They even had Tien do a solar flare and none of the enemies even blinked. It was incredibly lazy writing.

What? The enemies did blink as well as shielding their eyes.

Yeah went back and rewatched. They did shield their eyes while everyone hit them with their special blasts. I think I was just confused because they came out of all of that completely unfazed. Like they weren't still blinded or anything.

[LightBing]

A super technique being proven to not be so super isn't bad writing. That's the hallmark of Shonen series.

People have had this fanon that the Kienzan can cut through anything, even though that's at odds with how the series works. The Kienzan isn't magic: it's Ki. Against a suitably stronger ki, it should amount to nothing. That's how all ki moves work in this series.

It's not fanon. It's the facts established in the manga. The technique was never challenged and it successfully cut much stronger opponents.

You might think it has a ceiling - which is reasonable - but it was never shown. It also wasn't a fluke because it was consistently shown to work against stronger opponents. You're using your own inflexible logic to contradict something that is bullet proof.

[BlueBasilisk]

Going through the scene slowly, it doesn't look like any of those ki blasts actually hit any of the enemy fighters, just struck the ground around them.

[Asura]

Yeah, this was terrible writing, but not something that was so huge that it makes a big impact. It's something I can easily ignore.

But it is still really bad writing to use an ability that can chop people in half or pierce through someone in a tournament where you can't kill. Dunno if they just forgot about that or what.

[JulianStyles]

I've never used the masakanpo as a killing technique. Especially if its not charged. Any ki attack can kill. When we first saw the masakanpo it was just stronger than Raditz.

Some of those fighters were random fighters yet Piccolo and Gohans attacks did nothing. Also the kienzan is established as a technique that chops down much stronger foes. Krillin was not aiming at a limb just firing into the crowd.

[Kanassa]

But it is still really bad writing to use an ability that can chop people in half or pierce through someone in a tournament where you can't kill. Dunno if they just forgot about that or what.

Then they should stop using ki blasts in general, those can eviscerate people.

[Asura]

But it is still really bad writing to use an ability that can chop people in half or pierce through someone in a tournament where you can't kill. Dunno if they just forgot about that or what.

Then they should stop using ki blasts in general, those can eviscerate people.

Not really. Ki blasts haven't always been shown to disintegrate people.

[JulianStyles]

The moment I saw the episode title, I already knew who created it. The fact you used "This is not a Krillin hate topic" as your opening line made me Lol because everyone knows that is all you practically do. Saying you were concerned with it is laughable because anything pro Kuririn is never something you like, never.

However, that particular scene with all our heroes attacks doing literally nothing was certainly odd and didn't feel right at all nor make sense.

First of all I rarely make topics here and they are never about Krillin. You confuse Tenshinhan talk as Krillin hate. Which is why I carefully placed my comments. This is actually defending Krillin and the DB lore. And pointing out how DBS is ruining characters or established sensibility for the sake of visual coolness.

Take the Zamasu arc. They thought it would be cool for Trunks to use spirit bomb but in his sword. No explanation and a great potential arc had a horrible ending.

[Kanassa]

But it is still really bad writing to use an ability that can chop people in half or pierce through someone in a tournament where you can't kill. Dunno if they just forgot about that or what.

Then they should stop using ki blasts in general, those can eviscerate people.

Not really. Ki blasts haven't always been shown to disintegrate people.

And the Destructo Disk has never killed anybody. Piccolo and Krillin's moves are not killing moves, like any other Ki move they are moves that CAN be used to kill. It's not bad writing for them to use their moves because they're not using it to kill.

[Asura]

Then they should stop using ki blasts in general, those can eviscerate people.

Not really. Ki blasts haven't always been shown to disintegrate people.

And the Destructo Disk has never killed anybody. Piccolo and Krillin's moves are not killing moves, like any other Ki move they are moves that CAN be used to kill. It's not bad writing for them to use their moves because they're not using it to kill.

If this were any other person they'd be lying on the floor bleeding out to death. The Destructo Disk cuts things, the SBC pierces through things. That's what they're designed to do and they can't do anything else. A ki blast doesn't disintegrate a person every time, but the destructo disk will cut through someone every time. Maybe you can make an argument for the SBC, but the destructo disk is just a no-brainer.

[Cetra]

You might think it has a ceiling - which is reasonable - but it was never shown. It also wasn't a fluke because it was consistently shown to work against stronger opponents. You're using your own inflexible logic to contradict something that is bullet proof.

A technique working on enemies hence saying "it cuts through all because we have seen it cut through 3/3" that are shown is not bullet proof. Just like you thinking that Toei's filler does not count is also just fan rules. But fan rules are worthless. Toei has the money, Toei has the right, Toei has the power.

[Simere]

A super technique being proven to not be so super isn't bad writing. That's the hallmark of Shonen series.

People have had this fanon that the Kienzan can cut through anything, even though that's at odds with how the series works. The Kienzan isn't magic: it's Ki. Against a suitably stronger ki, it should amount to nothing. That's how all ki moves work in this series.

It's not fanon. It's the facts established in the manga. The technique was never challenged and it successfully cut much stronger opponents.

You might think it has a ceiling - which is reasonable - but it was never shown. It also wasn't a fluke because it was consistently shown to work against stronger opponents. You're using your own inflexible logic to contradict something that is bullet proof.

It doesn't make it a fact or bullet proof that the Kienzan can cut through anything just because it was never shown. We simply didn't know if it could or not. And now we do, because now it has been shown.

[ChiefWamsutta]

This is not a Krillin hate topic. I was concerned with this before. In Krillins promotional tournament material hes using the Kienzan. In Gohans image training Krillin is seen using the kienzan.

Minor spoilers

In epispde 97 he uses it against a group of enemies. Granted it didnt do anything ( which is bad writing with in itself. ) But to use such a dangerous technique that can kill in a tournament is careless from a character stand point. And the fact the writers are using it because it looks cool is more iresponsible and a spit in the fans and Akira Toriyamas face.

Botamo absorbed the attack, probably.

[Simere]

Going through the scene slowly, it doesn't look like any of those ki blasts actually hit any of the enemy fighters, just struck the ground around them.

Feels like shaky grounds analyzing the animation; Goku couldn't even connect his fist with his palm.

[DainIronfoot]

The moment I saw the episode title, I already knew who created it. The fact you used "This is not a Krillin hate topic" as your opening line made me Lol because everyone knows that is all you practically do. Saying you were concerned with it is laughable because anything pro Kuririn is never something you like, never.

However, that particular scene with all our heroes attacks doing literally nothing was certainly odd and didn't feel right at all nor make sense.

First of all I rarely make topics here and they are never about Krillin. You confuse Tenshinhan talk as Krillin hate. Which is why I carefully placed my comments. This is actually defending Krillin and the DB lore. And pointing out how DBS is ruining characters or established sensibility for the sake of visual coolness.

Take the Zamasu arc. They thought it would be cool for Trunks to use spirit bomb but in his sword. No explanation and a great potential arc had a horrible ending.

No, don't try to hide it. It's not just topics. 90 percent of posts you make involving Kuririn are full blown negative and of your infatuation with Tien. You were warned about those said posts as well, you can't just think you can magically forget them. Besides on here, you display it elsewhere as well, but that's a different point altogether. You're not defending Kuririn as you don't like the character at all. Everyone knows you as "that guy". As from a previous time, there is no reason to continue in this either as you'll try to say otherwise and the topic itself will just spiral out of control. If anything, you can send me a PM, as to not derail the thread.

Regardless, that whole scene was odd, not just Kuririn's Kienzan. Piccolo's Makankosappo, Gohan's blasts, Roshi's blast, and even Tien's Solar flare seemed off. As another pointed out, it didn't even seem like they hit the opponents, rather the ground. I'm sure the episode could have removed that little part or at least changed it up to make sense somewhat, possibly a Botamo tech.

[LightBing]

A super technique being proven to not be so super isn't bad writing. That's the hallmark of Shonen series.

People have had this fanon that the Kienzan can cut through anything, even though that's at odds with how the series works. The Kienzan isn't magic: it's Ki. Against a suitably stronger ki, it should amount to nothing. That's how all ki moves work in this series.

It's not fanon. It's the facts established in the manga. The technique was never challenged and it successfully cut much stronger opponents.

You might think it has a ceiling - which is reasonable - but it was never shown. It also wasn't a fluke because it was consistently shown to work against stronger opponents. You're using your own inflexible logic to contradict something that is bullet proof.

It doesn't make it a fact or bullet proof that the Kienzan can cut through anything just because it was never shown. We simply didn't know if it could or not. And now we do, because now it has been shown.

It is a fact because it can't be contradicted within the manga. The argument people are offering is "they didn't tell us it can cut anything." OK then, they also didn't tell us it had limits. Now this empty argument has been made void by me applying the same logic.
Now we are left with the panels in the manga where the technique is used: where it cut people much stronger than the user and wasn't ever countered. It was treated as a deadly technique.

Look, I'm simply going by what was written by Mr.Toriyama. If this also happens in the manga, indicating this is definitely from Mr.Toriyama's outline, I'll accept him as putting a limit to the technique.
The thing is that looking at the context of the scene, I think it was written by someone who doesn't know enough about Dragon Ball or doesn't care about it's own rules.

[Kanassa]

If this were any other person they'd be lying on the floor bleeding out to death. The Destructo Disk cuts things, the SBC pierces through things. That's what they're designed to do and they can't do anything else. A ki blast doesn't disintegrate a person every time, but the destructo disk will cut through someone every time. Maybe you can make an argument for the SBC, but the destructo disk is just a no-brainer.

Unless Krillin aims to kill, the destructo disk is fine.