Criticism/complaining about super.

[TekTheNinja]

Oh no, another one of these threads. We can complain about the show if we want to. This whole whining about whining stuff is nonsensical. If people complaining on an internet forum bothers you this much, then maybe you should stay away from the internet. Also noticed a lot of "You should just be happy with what you get" type criticism deflectors. Stop that. It's absurd.

[The gr]

Point is, telling everyone to stop negativity won't do much good. If you feel like someone is saying something off base or you don't agree with, then challenge them. Preferably with Swords, but words work to if you're choosing to go the pacifist route.

"Swords"?

we need to duel the super haters with a mighty sword and a cool armor for a fight to the death

About op,everyone have contrasting opinions whether is positive or negative,thats the point of episode discussions thread,to discuss and debate,so saying stop negativity in a thread is going nowhere if the next episode suck in my pov,then no one is not stopping me to post a negative review,thats what I meant of this thread going nowhere .

+ no one is spreading misinformation or jumping to criticism without knowing the context of the episode thanks to the episode thread update,just wish the dbs Manga thread had the same treatment

And welcome to kanzenshuu,hopefully you will be able to contribute the community with interesting post and topic

[sintzu]

I'm not saying not to point it out. I'll be the first to say animation for first arc was shit but who cares we got a movie for that arc and it was amazing.

Why bash your beloved series so much.

Fans care because it's still a part of the show and they'll pay for if they want to own the whole thing.

DB isn't just a beloved franchise to me, it's my favorite alongside Batman but it's not living up to what came before it. We're 100 episodes in and it still has major problems that should've been fixed at least a year ago.

[Freeza9000]

You get what you're given and you should try to be happy with what you get

That would be like saying if someone served you a dish of barely cooked steak in a steakhouse yet you should be happy with what you got despite how mediocre the food is.

[bilby]

You get what you're given and you should try to be happy with what you get

That would be like saying if someone served you barely cooked steak yet you should be happy with what you got despite how mediocre the food is.

That's completely different, you either pay for food and if don't then just say no to it and don't eat. You don't pay for this show and if you don't like it you don't have to watch it. Not hard to understand.

[bilby]

Oh no, another one of these threads. We can complain about the show if we want to. This whole whining about whining stuff is nonsensical. If people complaining on an internet forum bothers you this much, then maybe you should stay away from the internet. Also noticed a lot of "You should just be happy with what you get" type criticism deflectors. Stop that. It's absurd.

I'm guessing you don't like the series? Please I would love to hear the issues you have with it.

[Freeza9000]

You get what you're given and you should try to be happy with what you get

That would be like saying if someone served you barely cooked steak yet you should be happy with what you got despite how mediocre the food is.

That's completely different, you either pay for food and if don't then just say no to it and don't eat. You don't pay for this show and if you don't like it you don't have to watch it. Not hard to understand.

So? Doesn't mean that the flaws of said show should be overlooked completely and avoided from scrutiny. If there is something handled and executed poorly, then we have a right to vocalize all that. After all, this is a place where we can vent to our desires.

[TekTheNinja]

Why bash your beloved series so much?

Because we don't like seeing our beloved series being handled poorly. What kind of question is that? Fans of a series are supposed to acknowledge its faults.

I'm guessing you don't like the series? Please I would love to hear the issues you have with it.

Well they've made Goku an unlikable character and then decided to leave most of the side cast in the dust. That's the main issue, but we'd be here for ages if I listed all my grievances, including all the numerous cases of poor writing that could have been easily avoided with minor tweaks.

[bilby]

Why bash your beloved series so much?

Because we don't like seeing our beloved series being handled poorly. What kind of question is that? Fans of a series are supposed to acknowledge its faults.

I'm guessing you don't like the series? Please I would love to hear the issues you have with it.

Well they've made Goku an unlikable character and then decided to leave most of the side cast in the dust. That's the main issue, but we'd be here for ages if I listed all my grievances, including all the numerous cases of poor writing that could have been easily avoided with minor tweaks.

Do you think goku being unlikable could be due to watching this in subbed and not the original dubbed version. I feel like that could make a big difference to the series and characters.

[sintzu]

If you don't like it you don't have to watch it. Not hard to understand.

People who've watched it up till now clearly like it or they wouldn't be watching it but that doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. Surely there's some franchise or thing that you like that has done things you don't agree with right ? if you called it out does that mean you don't like it ?

Do you think goku being unlikable could be due to watching this in subbed and not the original dubbed version. I feel like that could make a big difference to the series and characters.

I do think he's handled a bit better in the dub but the way he's written still stands out compared to how he was in the original.

[bilby]

After reading everyone's comments, points and views I would like to say thank you for your constructive feedback on the reasons the reasons for such criticism. I now do have a better understanding of why there is so much criticism, I just hope it can be reduced.
I hope I didn't get off on the wrong foot with any of you and thank you all for the welcomes

[TekTheNinja]

If you don't like it you don't have to watch it. Not hard to understand.

People who've watched it up till now clearly like it or they wouldn't be watching it but that doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. Surely there's some franchise or thing that you like that has done things you don't agree with right ? if you called it out does that mean you don't like it ?

I like parts of Super, but as a whole I wouldn't say I like the series. It's more like I watch it for those moments that I actually like. I sort of more of a loyalty to the franchise despite not liking what it's doing right now, and I also just like roasting it when it gets bad. That's actually the reason I still watch new Sword Art Online episodes, because they're really fun to make fun of.

Do you think goku being unlikable could be due to watching this in subbed and not the original dubbed version. I feel like that could make a big difference to the series and characters.

Nah. I watch Dragon Ball both dubbed and subbed. This argument has been used several times before, but it's simply not true. Goku is a lot more of an unlikable childish asshole who doesn't care about anyone or anything than he has ever been before, and I ain't a fan of how gleeful he is about everything all the damn time.

[bilby]

If you don't like it you don't have to watch it. Not hard to understand.

People who've watched it up till now clearly like it or they wouldn't be watching it but that doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. Surely there's some franchise or thing that you like that has done things you don't agree with right ? if you called it out does that mean you don't like it ?

I've had series that I've watched that I loved up until a certain point and It got so bad that I complained to my friends but I also just stopped watching because what's the point of disappointed week after week? Of course you can call things out and still like it, just at least mention the things you like too.

[bilby]

If you don't like it you don't have to watch it. Not hard to understand.

People who've watched it up till now clearly like it or they wouldn't be watching it but that doesn't mean it doesn't have issues. Surely there's some franchise or thing that you like that has done things you don't agree with right ? if you called it out does that mean you don't like it ?

I like parts of Super, but as a whole I wouldn't say I like the series. It's more like I watch it for those moments that I actually like. I sort of more of a loyalty to the franchise despite not liking what it's doing right now, and I also just like roasting it when it gets bad. That's actually the reason I still watch new Sword Art Online episodes, because they're really fun to make fun of.

Do you think goku being unlikable could be due to watching this in subbed and not the original dubbed version. I feel like that could make a big difference to the series and characters.

Nah. I watch Dragon Ball both dubbed and subbed. This argument has been used several times before, but it's simply not true. Goku is a lot more of an unlikable childish asshole who doesn't care about anyone or anything than he has ever been before, and I ain't a fan of how gleeful he is about everything all the damn time.

Noted. Fair enough then if you feel that strongly towards the character. I agree with you somewhat where hasn't been serious and it was only one occasion we saw the old goku ( when black told him he murdered his family). That moment reminded me of the old goku but yeah I can agree on him not being at his best.

[sintzu]

Of course you can call things out and still like it, just at least mention the things you like too.

Definitely. If someone's watching it now and all they have to say is how bad it is and how its done nothing right then they're either lying or just watch it to complain cause they have nothing better to do.

[TekTheNinja]

Of course you can call things out and still like it, just at least mention the things you like too.

Gonna level with ya here. People tend to think I don't WANT to like Super but that's not true. I actually desperately want to love Super, so when there is something really good, I LOVE IT. Sadly though, other than some of the one off filler episodes, so far the only things I've liked from Super are the Goku vs Hit fight and most of the Future Trunks arc, though I wasn't a big fan of how it ended. Those are the parts that really made me feel like I was watching a new Dragon Ball series. When the Universe Survival Arc was first advertised I thought it might save Super for me, but now I'm skeptical. The moment my hype train slammed to a halt was when it was announced Buu would fall asleep again and be replaced by Frieza of all people. If the team other members get badass moments and the arc has a good ending, I'll be satisfied but I just dunno anymore. I feel like there are only two ways for the arc to end and they're either that every universe ends up getting to live or that every universe or most of the universes die and Goku and company hardly acknowledge it. I hope I'm proven wrong. I DESPERATELY want to be proven wrong. Tangent over. XD

[SSJ YUSUKE]

Think of it like this, a lot of criticism on this forum has come from fans who have overanalyzed the series for years discussing and establishing rules about cannon, power levels, characters, etc. But the reality is that even in the original series Toriyama doesn't come across as a writer who cares about these minute details but fans have been looking over these things for years and to now realise that all their theories didn't really matter is hard for them to comprehend, despite the fact that the series never pretended to be like what they imagined it to be.
For example power levels were simply a plot device used in 2 Sagas which were then dumped and had no relevance afterwards, there were many of us who argued long before Super that fans were overanalyzing a series which in reality is really simple and there is absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying a series that is simple. Dragonball doesn't have a complex Ninja political system or complicated men powers or stands but it's simplicity is what makes it so enjoyable and that is why I continue to continue to enjoy Super.
Also don't discount the fact that there are a lot of over grown man children on this board who have nothing better to do but whine about a children's cartoon.

[TheMikado]

The orbital post actually answered his own question. There are things about Super which are NOT like the previous entries. If your happened to like the series for one of those reasons or it contributed strongly to your enjoyment it's frustrating to watch something you loved so much be changed into something you dislike.

Let's take a long time Original Dodge Charger fan. 1968 model. This was a 2 door coupe and this person loved it and had tons of info about it. Then they announced the recent charger remake, but it's a 4 door sedan.... it still has things about it you liked but it's not the car you loved. Then you have everyone including the sales men, Internet forum guys saying what's wrong with you???! I thought you liked chargers you should be happy there is a new one after all these years. Trying to vilify you as if you were never a fan of the original and explaining how similar it is, see it's got for wheels and it's drives! It's the same as it ever way. The fact is Super is not the same as Previous entries for better or for worse and that's just how it is. You can't make fans love something that they didn't fall in love with to begin with.

[Kastex]

Hi all

Obviously some eps have been underwhelming and nothing like dbz but at the same time eps have given me the same feeling from watching dbz.
Regards: First time poster

i get what you mean about some action oriented episodes being underwhelming. i personally enjoy a lot of the non action oriented episodes that actually have good character development and world building. then again even some of those episodes are underwhelming when not done right.

the problem with your statement is that it seems like you are implying that DBS should be more like DBZ. these shows are both canon to the franchise, but both entirely different shows. DBS is not just a continuation of DBZ, it's an entirely different attachment.

[PeanutSaiyan]

Soooo...we're supposed to be OK with the fact that we got a very rushed, poorly planned cereal commercial that outright ignores or retcons previous incarnations for the sake of pandering to a younger audience? That has reduced every character to a poorly written caricature, that every "choreographed" battle is filled with the same generic flurry of punches and minimally animated ki blasts?