The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Jigurashi » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:41 am

precita wrote:I think they're clearly moving into EOZ and will set up the young characters as the new main heroes.

Trunks, Goten, Uub, Pan, (and maybe Marron and Bra), will likely be pushed into the forefront of the next arc. Hopefully Gohan will remain relevant since he's part of the new generation too and can help train the younger heroes. Toei clearly likes Pan and wants to do something with her again, and they referenced Uub in Super already. Trunks will be back in his popular adult design and Toei loves to market that as seen by Trunks in GT or Future Trunks return in Super. Plus Goten will be his own character and not a little Goku clone.

It's time for the younger generation to take center stage. Goku and Vegeta should retire to the bahamas!
I don't see that happening at all.

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:45 am

Next generation stories would be best and much needed to freshen up this stale franchise. Give me Oob, Pan Goten and Trunks stories dammit. Also, refreshing the staff would be nice. The current core team is terrible, Toriyama included. At the very least, I'd like for the anime to end as soon as possible and come back after a break of year or two with better planning. Or hell, shift to movies entirely. That'd be best.

But, knowing modern Dragon Ball's nostalgia baiting strategies and playing it safe attitude, I won't be surprised if it continues in the same direction. A Bardock arc probably after the ToP?

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by sintzu » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:16 am

Saikyo no Senshi wrote:A Bardock arc probably after the ToP?
Bardock will be back somehow. Maybe a sequel to EOB set in the past. We got Freeza back temporarely so they could do that.

It seems like Z's shadow is too big for them to escape so for the time being, I think modern DB will continue to reference and bring things back from it.
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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by precita » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:53 am

I think it would also be interesting if Marron is treated like a main character. Seeing her have Krillin's old role would be good, especially if she fights too.

I think people need to get the GT versions of these characters out of their minds, that's no longer canon nor is it how Toriyama would handle them. For all we know Bra could be a fighter this time around, Marron could have some power, Pan could have a fun personality, Uub could actually be useful, etc.

I honestly think GT soured people's minds of these characters which is a shame.

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Lionel » Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:52 am

Toei would probably be looking at the marketability of these characters before propping them up and embellishing their personalities. I don't feel like a next generation series centred on the adventures of Goten, Trunks, Pan and Uub would do very well. Those characters don't have much in the way of likable personalities or memorable feats during their introduction beyond something like turning Super Saiyan or fusing. Toriyama didn't have investment in them and neither would we to be honest, and this is coming from someone who dislikes the preeminence of the Saiyans since early Z.

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by emperior » Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:20 am

Lionel wrote:Toei would probably be looking at the marketability of these characters before propping them up and embellishing their personalities. I don't feel like a next generation series centred on the adventures of Goten, Trunks, Pan and Uub would do very well. Those characters don't have much in the way of likable personalities or memorable feats during their introduction beyond something like turning Super Saiyan or fusing. Toriyama didn't have investment in them and neither would we to be honest, and this is coming from someone who dislikes the preeminence of the Saiyans since early Z.
Why would they look at marketability? It would be their goal to make those characters good. It's not impossible to develop them and make them good characters with personality, you know.
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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Lionel » Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:51 am

emperior wrote:
Lionel wrote:Toei would probably be looking at the marketability of these characters before propping them up and embellishing their personalities. I don't feel like a next generation series centred on the adventures of Goten, Trunks, Pan and Uub would do very well. Those characters don't have much in the way of likable personalities or memorable feats during their introduction beyond something like turning Super Saiyan or fusing. Toriyama didn't have investment in them and neither would we to be honest, and this is coming from someone who dislikes the preeminence of the Saiyans since early Z.
Why would they look at marketability? It would be their goal to make those characters good. It's not impossible to develop them and make them good characters with personality, you know.
They've had multiple arcs to construct a dynamic and meaningful personality with Goten and Trunks. You know, give us some foundation to appreciate those characters beyond childish comedy or fusion apparatuses. If it's the intent of the studio to eventually pass the torch to them as protagonists then the execution has been substandard. I think more people would be put off by them than enthralled since they probably don't have too good an effect on them, at least if you're comparing them to the current leads in Goku and Vegeta.

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:18 am

Kanious wrote:i don't know, but i hope that the EoZ will not be the true end of the anime franchise. I would be really pissed off.
Why? EoZ is the perfect ending for the franchise. Should be left untouched imo.

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Ranmaru Rei » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:48 am

It's shame that Goten and Trunks (and Marron) are not improving in DBS. Goten (13) and Trunks (14) look younger than Gohan in Cell Games (11). Marron (10) looks like a toddler.
After EoZ I want more involvement for Pan, Uub, Trunks and Goten. Maybe, Bra. It does not mean, DB without Goku. He's still main character. Just add some mentorship like it was when Gohan was a kid. Actually, I do not know. Current story is about Goku and Vegeta. I want something new.

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by BlueBasilisk » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:17 am

Whatever wrote:Yes look how they treated adult Trunks in GT and Toei loves Future Trunks not Adult Trunks.
And no,next generation thing won't happen,you are just trying to pass off what you want to happen as something that you want to happen.
Look at how GT treated any returning character who wasn't Goku. Most of them only got play as Baby's slaves. Piccolo showed up for 15 seconds, got his ass whipped by Gohan and then died a few episodes later. I would argue the only characters GT did right by were Android 18 and Mr. Satan.

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Lionel » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:55 am

One thing I do appreciate Multiverse for when it comes to the next generation concept is Goku imparting Uub with his Kaioken ability. It's the perfect means for ensuring that he stays competitive with the Saiyans after they've grown in strength or discovered a new transformation. Could you imagine if GT had followed through with this idea? With a writing staff more willing to extend a hand of relevant participation he could have proven his mettle as a proper successor to the defender role. I could understand Goku still having an edge, but if Uub had played a role akin to Piccolo when he teamed up with Goku to combat Raditz or when the Z fighters returned to help Goku out against Vegeta, that would be satisfactory. Just don't write off all of the momentum built up from the end of Z by falling back to uninspired old trappings with Goku being the centre of narrative preservation.

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Benedetto12 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:41 am

Perhaps the TOP will become a competition they celebrate every (For example) 10 years, this way Goku, Vegeta and Gohan will have to look to new members for the team because the likes of Tien, Roshi, Krillin and 18 retiring from fighting or not wanting to participate, this open the doors to Goten, Trunks, Uub, Pan and maybe Bulla and Maroon to became part of the main cast.

Obviously Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo will still be members of team universe 7 because their love for fighting, 17 may stick around, as he considers the TOP being funny but he is kinda unpredictable, Frieza may also stick around if he is finally resurrected as Goku promised, joining the team on Beerus behalf because he is one of the strongest members.

Imagining this kind of team: Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, 17, Frieza, Goten, Trunks, Uub, Pan.

This will also show how Cabba, Caulifla and Kale grow closer to Goku, Vegeta and Gohan in terms of power, also this way can be a way to keep the rivalries beetween Goku and Jiren, 17 and Ribrianne, Vegeta and Hit, Frieza and Frost

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Big Black Sayian » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:10 am

Guys the younger generation weren't the main characters of EoZ or GT. Why would they do that now? :p

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:17 am

Count me in for the group that want the new generation (Oob, Pan, Bra, Goten, Trunks etc) to take over and for Super to beyond EOZ.

Look, I know Goku is seen as the heart and soul of Dragon Ball, but you can have a new cast of characters in a Dragon Ball series and also have the old cast, but only if, in my opinion, they're are there in initial of first few arcs or so for the purpose of passing the torch. Look at the premise of Young Justice and Legend Of Korra. If someone told you that a new DC animated show or a sequel to Avatar: The Last Airbender would feature new, young and fresh cast of characters with the most popular original characters only in the background or barely appearing at all, they'd think you would be crazy. "A DC show that barely features Superman and Batman or any of the Justice League? That's gonna flop." "A sequel to Avatar: The Last Airbender that doesn't feature Aang or any of the original cast that much? That sounds lame." And look what happened to those shows, they ended being critically acclaimed, winning major awards and gaining huge fanbases. I'm not saying we should throw the old cast away like they're nothing. But the transition of the old guard to young blood would help keep Dragon Ball fresh and open new avenues to exploring the Dragon Ball world and universe.

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by precita » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:51 pm

Goten's adult design is awesome. Kind of looks like a fusion of Yamcha and Gohan into one character.

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Ki Breaker » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:54 pm

precita wrote:Goten's adult design is awesome. Kind of looks like a fusion of Yamcha and Gohan into one character.
His I have a date I don't wanna fight personality screws over whatever design points he gets..
Though that could be a one time thing if they want it to..
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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Doctor. » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:26 pm

I'd like it if we switched universes and started a whole brand new story with a different cast. Make it universe 6 if you want to keep some of the DB staples such as Dragon Balls and Saiyans, make it another universe outside of 6 and 7 if you're feeling bold. You could then connect the new cast with the old cast at some point.

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by Basako » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:42 pm

precita wrote:Goten's adult design is awesome. Kind of looks like a fusion of Yamcha and Gohan into one character.
You mean EoZ Goten, right? I love that one too, another dissapointment of GT for changing it. Plus Vegeta's horrific haircut, taking his cool iconic pointy hair from him. The moustache didn't bother me though.
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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by precita » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:06 pm

Yes, I mean this one:

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He basically looks like a Yamcha or Gohan fusion.

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Re: The Future of Dragon Ball Super Thead

Post by BlueBasilisk » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:11 pm

precita wrote:Yes, I mean this one:

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He basically looks like a Yamcha or Gohan fusion.
He's totally a male Gine.
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