Tenshinhan, the support character

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Re: Tien, The Support Character

Post by supercat » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:31 pm

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omaro34 wrote:
supercat wrote:Worst character in the tournament by far. In terms of power and overall just as a character is terrible. What makes him worse than the other fodders is he wastes time. I wouldn't even want to see his boring, cheesy, pathetic techniques. Why not just have him join the other fodders and have him knocked out of the ring in a way that gets him out quick like when Narirama was on his rampage.

Seriously, he should just stay at his school of weaklings. I also would dislike seeing him close to Piccolo, unless it's Piccolo degrading him for being so weak. So glad they didn't train together in the RoSaT.

There really isn't much that can be done with Tien. There's no real power up he can get since his lifelong years of training were all wasted. His power level is what? Ginyu Force-tier after all that? :clap:

I also love how Tien really got put in his place by Roshi. That was as comical as his silly poses and that charade of foolishness right before he got eliminated. He's a coward weakling and will likely stay that way.

Tien should really only save the compliments for Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza. He should just talk about how great it is that Frieza is fighting on their side.
Are you a troll or something? You always say the same thing over and over. Beating a dead horse doesn't change the fact that it's still dead. We know Tien has been a disappointment.
Is there a point to ask at this stage?

It`s the same broken record regarding non Saiyan characters.
So I'm a troll for frequently participating in discussions that also happen to take place quite frequently themselves?

It's not my fault Tien's a joke that fights... I mean runs away panicking like a coward.

If there's a discussion thread regarding said character, and I want to express my opinion, I can do so. That is a what discussion threads are for right? Not to mention, I didn't even create this thread.

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Re: Tien, The Support Character

Post by BWri » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:06 pm

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Lionel wrote: You could ask about the significance of Vegeta's relationships to the other cast members that aren't Goku, Beerus, Whis, or the Brief Family. Does he know or even about the opinions about those that affiliate themselves with Goku? For the most part, no. But since he's deemed the "eternal rival" of Goku, leniency is given to him so that this interactive inadequacy isn't a detriment to him. The arc plots generally don't involve the non Goku/Vegeta cast members in any significant way. It's only been in the recent arc that others like Gohan have begun to make some headway. However, even then I'm skeptical about the long-term efficacies of these developments.
I did love the rest of your ideas though, and the concern upon relying on space aliens for the survival of his world is a dynamic I'd REALLY like to see explored with Tien, who let's be real, is the only one who could potentially pull that off convincingly. Krillin is too enamoured with the saiyans and Piccolo, and Yamcha is far too laid back as a person to take advantage of such concerns. Roshi could be another option for this idea, but if it was given to Tenshinhan(and explored properly) he'd easily sail up to my top three characters with that idea alone.
That's what happens when you take a magnifying glass to a character and explore the concepts that are already there. That's why DB is so ripe for fanfiction. Tien, Yamcha, and even Chiaotzu are all still mysteries after all this time and yet no effort has been taken to flesh them out more even when they were relevant. That is the curse of Dragon Ball.
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Re: Tien, The Support Character

Post by gohan_black » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:42 pm

they fucked up tien big time in this sega. not giving him an episode but giving roshi 2. i mean yeah krilin got one but at least it was a full one. tien got fucked big time. he got the end of an episode. the writing in super. youl think tien who keep training and training will have new techniqes after all this time but no. nothing. lets give him the old clone techniqe from dragonball. god how much i hate what they did to him.

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Re: Tien, The Support Character

Post by gohan_black » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:49 pm

supercat wrote:Worst character in the tournament by far. In terms of power and overall just as a character is terrible. What makes him worse than the other fodders is he wastes time. I wouldn't even want to see his boring, cheesy, pathetic techniques. Why not just have him join the other fodders and have him knocked out of the ring in a way that gets him out quick like when Narirama was on his rampage.

Seriously, he should just stay at his school of weaklings. I also would dislike seeing him close to Piccolo, unless it's Piccolo degrading him for being so weak. So glad they didn't train together in the RoSaT.

There really isn't much that can be done with Tien. There's no real power up he can get since his lifelong years of training were all wasted. His power level is what? Ginyu Force-tier after all that? :clap:

I also love how Tien really got put in his place by Roshi. That was as comical as his silly poses and that charade of foolishness right before he got eliminated. He's a coward weakling and will likely stay that way.

Tien should really only save the compliments for Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza. He should just talk about how great it is that Frieza is fighting on their side.
Tien isnt a weakling at all. The writers made him a weakling. Hes the second most smartest fighter after piccolo. He has big potential and shined in the RF movie. Blame the writers for dising him. Not his charecter. We still dont know how is he in the manga

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Re: Tien, The Support Character

Post by Jigurashi » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:01 pm

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supercat wrote:Worst character in the tournament by far. In terms of power and overall just as a character is terrible. What makes him worse than the other fodders is he wastes time. I wouldn't even want to see his boring, cheesy, pathetic techniques. Why not just have him join the other fodders and have him knocked out of the ring in a way that gets him out quick like when Narirama was on his rampage.

Seriously, he should just stay at his school of weaklings. I also would dislike seeing him close to Piccolo, unless it's Piccolo degrading him for being so weak. So glad they didn't train together in the RoSaT.

There really isn't much that can be done with Tien. There's no real power up he can get since his lifelong years of training were all wasted. His power level is what? Ginyu Force-tier after all that? :clap:

I also love how Tien really got put in his place by Roshi. That was as comical as his silly poses and that charade of foolishness right before he got eliminated. He's a coward weakling and will likely stay that way.

Tien should really only save the compliments for Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza. He should just talk about how great it is that Frieza is fighting on their side.
Tien isnt a weakling at all. The writers made him a weakling. Hes the second most smartest fighter after piccolo. He has big potential and shined in the RF movie. Blame the writers for dising him. Not his charecter. We still dont know how is he in the manga
Eh. I'd argue Goku is the smartest fighter of the bunch, and that Kuririn is arguably just as smart as Piccolo. I wouldn't put Ten in the top 5 intelligent fighters, especially currently.

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Re: Tien, The Support Character

Post by Olympian » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:32 pm

supercat wrote:
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omaro34 wrote: Are you a troll or something? You always say the same thing over and over. Beating a dead horse doesn't change the fact that it's still dead. We know Tien has been a disappointment.
Is there a point to ask at this stage?

It`s the same broken record regarding non Saiyan characters.
So I'm a troll for frequently participating in discussions that also happen to take place quite frequently themselves?

It's not my fault Tien's a joke that fights... I mean runs away panicking like a coward.

If there's a discussion thread regarding said character, and I want to express my opinion, I can do so. That is a what discussion threads are for right? Not to mention, I didn't even create this thread.
No, that would be because you enjoy taking shots like pot to the kettle to the same characters no matter the subject and your retoric revolves around the use of exact same words and we can all read them coming a mile away. Example: your retoric about his "character in general" because TOP is no different than anyone calling Vegita a first rate coward because in the course of the series, he`s ran away from fights that quickly proved were more than he could chew. He didn`t do it once or twice. Tenshinhan doesn`t.

Tell me, what do you think of this Cabba? He eliminated less opponents and had Vegita watching his back the whole TOP until Freeza made quick work of him. He`s he "pathetic" under the same token?
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Re: Tien, The Support Character

Post by supercat » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:08 pm

Olympian wrote:
supercat wrote:
Olympian wrote:
Is there a point to ask at this stage?

It`s the same broken record regarding non Saiyan characters.
So I'm a troll for frequently participating in discussions that also happen to take place quite frequently themselves?

It's not my fault Tien's a joke that fights... I mean runs away panicking like a coward.

If there's a discussion thread regarding said character, and I want to express my opinion, I can do so. That is a what discussion threads are for right? Not to mention, I didn't even create this thread.
No, that would be because you enjoy taking shots like pot to the kettle to the same characters no matter the subject and your retoric revolves around the use of exact same words and we can all read them coming a mile away. Example: your retoric about his "character in general" because TOP is no different than anyone calling Vegita a first rate coward because in the course of the series, he`s ran away from fights that quickly proved were more than he could chew. He didn`t do it once or twice. Tenshinhan doesn`t.

Tell me, what do you think of this Cabba? He eliminated less opponents and had Vegita watching his back the whole TOP until Freeza made quick work of him. He`s he "pathetic" under the same token?
I'm pretty sure if Tien were up against Second Form Frieza, or Broly, he too would have run away. The only difference is, it's quite likely that neither Frieza nor Broly would have even noticed or bothered caring. Vegeta may have backed off at times in the past, but he's top-tier as far as strength goes. Something Tien could only fantasize about all day. Oh wait, he doesn't even do that, since he lacks the dignity to have even a little bit of pride. He instead has given up on pursuing higher levels like some big quitter.

Funny thing is, even Tien seems to rely on Vegeta as someone who saves the day alongside Goku.

Cabba pushed Frieza to go Golden. Plus, he pulled out some new stuff. He also wasn't running around with silly poses. He had an awesome moment with Vegeta, and his overall presence wasn't embarrassing (again, no silly poses). With all of that considered, Cabba is leagues ahead of Tien in my opinion. And no, I'm not really a Cabba fan. I don't particularly dislike the character, but I wouldn't say he's a favorite of some sort.

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Re: Tien, The Support Character

Post by Kinokima » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:25 pm

supercat wrote:
Olympian wrote:
supercat wrote:
So I'm a troll for frequently participating in discussions that also happen to take place quite frequently themselves?

It's not my fault Tien's a joke that fights... I mean runs away panicking like a coward.

If there's a discussion thread regarding said character, and I want to express my opinion, I can do so. That is a what discussion threads are for right? Not to mention, I didn't even create this thread.
No, that would be because you enjoy taking shots like pot to the kettle to the same characters no matter the subject and your retoric revolves around the use of exact same words and we can all read them coming a mile away. Example: your retoric about his "character in general" because TOP is no different than anyone calling Vegita a first rate coward because in the course of the series, he`s ran away from fights that quickly proved were more than he could chew. He didn`t do it once or twice. Tenshinhan doesn`t.

Tell me, what do you think of this Cabba? He eliminated less opponents and had Vegita watching his back the whole TOP until Freeza made quick work of him. He`s he "pathetic" under the same token?
I'm pretty sure if Tien were up against Second Form Frieza, or Broly, he too would have run away. The only difference is, it's quite likely that neither Frieza nor Broly would have even noticed or bothered caring. Vegeta may have backed off at times in the past, but he's top-tier as far as strength goes. Something Tien could only fantasize about all day. Oh wait, he doesn't even do that, since he lacks the dignity to have even a little bit of pride. He instead has given up on pursuing higher levels like some big quitter.

Funny thing is, even Tien seems to rely on Vegeta as someone who saves the day alongside Goku.

Cabba pushed Frieza to go Golden. Plus, he pulled out some new stuff. He also wasn't running around with silly poses. He had an awesome moment with Vegeta, and his overall presence wasn't embarrassing (again, no silly poses). With all of that considered, Cabba is leagues ahead of Tien in my opinion. And no, I'm not really a Cabba fan. I don't particularly dislike the character, but I wouldn't say he's a favorite of some sort.
That’s nice that you don’t like Tien but your post comes off like mindless bashing. Tien is far from my favorite character but he is only as weak as the writers make him. Yes he’s not as strong as Saiyans but for a human he is still plenty strong and he still has a lot of cool moves. He is also an intelligent fighter. Not everything about a character is how strong they are. Yes the fact of the matter is that Tien is more a minor character now but he has a lot of fans because of his role in the original Dragon Ball.

Note it is one thing to criticize the writing of the series or how the series is using Tien. They don’t make the most out of his character (and he certainly is not alone in this )

It’s quite another thing to attack the character. Tien is not a coward. The fact that he fights at all when he knows there are stronger characters out there shows he he has dignity. You don’t know the meaning of the word. And Tien does still train and opened up a martial arts school. Not every character can be on Goku & Vegeta’s level and that is perfectly fine. That doesn’t mean he lacks pride.

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Re: Tien, The Support Character

Post by GodKaio-Ken » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:03 pm

gohan_black wrote:
supercat wrote:Worst character in the tournament by far. In terms of power and overall just as a character is terrible. What makes him worse than the other fodders is he wastes time. I wouldn't even want to see his boring, cheesy, pathetic techniques. Why not just have him join the other fodders and have him knocked out of the ring in a way that gets him out quick like when Narirama was on his rampage.

Seriously, he should just stay at his school of weaklings. I also would dislike seeing him close to Piccolo, unless it's Piccolo degrading him for being so weak. So glad they didn't train together in the RoSaT.

There really isn't much that can be done with Tien. There's no real power up he can get since his lifelong years of training were all wasted. His power level is what? Ginyu Force-tier after all that? :clap:

I also love how Tien really got put in his place by Roshi. That was as comical as his silly poses and that charade of foolishness right before he got eliminated. He's a coward weakling and will likely stay that way.

Tien should really only save the compliments for Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza. He should just talk about how great it is that Frieza is fighting on their side.
Tien isnt a weakling at all. The writers made him a weakling. Hes the second most smartest fighter after piccolo. He has big potential and shined in the RF movie. Blame the writers for dising him. Not his charecter. We still dont know how is he in the manga
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Re: Tien, The Support Character

Post by gohan_black » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:37 am

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supercat wrote:Worst character in the tournament by far. In terms of power and overall just as a character is terrible. What makes him worse than the other fodders is he wastes time. I wouldn't even want to see his boring, cheesy, pathetic techniques. Why not just have him join the other fodders and have him knocked out of the ring in a way that gets him out quick like when Narirama was on his rampage.

Seriously, he should just stay at his school of weaklings. I also would dislike seeing him close to Piccolo, unless it's Piccolo degrading him for being so weak. So glad they didn't train together in the RoSaT.

There really isn't much that can be done with Tien. There's no real power up he can get since his lifelong years of training were all wasted. His power level is what? Ginyu Force-tier after all that? :clap:

I also love how Tien really got put in his place by Roshi. That was as comical as his silly poses and that charade of foolishness right before he got eliminated. He's a coward weakling and will likely stay that way.

Tien should really only save the compliments for Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza. He should just talk about how great it is that Frieza is fighting on their side.
Tien isnt a weakling at all. The writers made him a weakling. Hes the second most smartest fighter after piccolo. He has big potential and shined in the RF movie. Blame the writers for dising him. Not his charecter. We still dont know how is he in the manga
Fictional characters are only as strong as writers period....
the potential is something else. after 10 years from the cell sega youl think he would have more in store

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