Tournament of Power is a major let down

[sintzu]

Compare this to the previous arc and it's absolutely worlds apart!

This arc pretty much undid what the previous 2 arcs built up for super in terms of quality. The arc has loooooong overstayed its welcome at this point so I don't even want to think about March which is when it'll end. I guess we know to "be careful what we wish for" as a good amount of fans said the previous 4 arcs were too short.

[Kinokima]

My only problem with it is making Goku and to a lesser extent Vegeta the focus of all the fights.

Why on earth are Gohan and Piccolo not getting more focus? Why have 17 and 18 been in the background for most of it? Krillin also should have lasted longer and Tien just barely did much.

What was the point of bringing back the extended cast if it's all focused on Goku and Vegeta again?

Sorry but Vegeta has barely don't anything this arc.

[namekiansaiyan]

My only problem with it is making Goku and to a lesser extent Vegeta the focus of all the fights.

Why on earth are Gohan and Piccolo not getting more focus? Why have 17 and 18 been in the background for most of it? Krillin also should have lasted longer and Tien just barely did much.

What was the point of bringing back the extended cast if it's all focused on Goku and Vegeta again?

Sorry but Vegeta has barely don't anything this arc.

Vegeta still has done a lot more than others.

[RedHeat]

This arc has given me several mental breakdowns.

[Kinokima]

My only problem with it is making Goku and to a lesser extent Vegeta the focus of all the fights.

Why on earth are Gohan and Piccolo not getting more focus? Why have 17 and 18 been in the background for most of it? Krillin also should have lasted longer and Tien just barely did much.

What was the point of bringing back the extended cast if it's all focused on Goku and Vegeta again?

Sorry but Vegeta has barely don't anything this arc.

Vegeta still has done a lot more than others.

Well maybe better than some characters but it is also false to say all the focus has been on Vegeta when he's got considerably less focus this arc and I also don't see him stealing focus away from other characters. It's not like he got episodes and episodes in a row.

[The gr]

Mines already broken. I had decided going into this that this will be my last arc of Super. So basically if it doesn't end how I think it should I won't care either way because I wont be invested beyond this arc regardless.

Are you gonna drop super, when the top is over,what about the manga

Compare this to the previous arc and it's absolutely worlds apart!

This arc pretty much undid what the previous 2 arcs built up for super in terms of quality. The arc has loooooong overstayed its welcome at this point so I don't even want to think about March which is when it'll end. I guess we know to "be careful what we wish for" as a good amount of fans said the previous 4 arcs were too short.

I think the ft trunks was paced well,it wasn't long or short either.As for the tournament
,yeah is been dragging for a while making this saga kinda boring

This arc has given me several mental breakdowns.

Mind telling the mental breakdowns you had

[Zagacious]

I don't know about y'all but going back to re-watch the tournament episodes has certainly helped my view on it as a whole instead of thinking about it as each individual episode. Episodes like 100 or 106 certainly won't approve by that but its much better knowing that the episodes after are so much better than having to wait a week and let a bad episode hinder my judgement to what is coming next.

It definitely helps a little bit, but mostly because I can skip through the unnecessary stuff where there's nothing happening, after rewatching the tournament in marathon mode, is surprisingly A LOT of time wasted on nothing. Contrary to what everyone's been saying about the pacing being helped by watching it all at once, I actually found that marathon'ing the tournament has highlighted the amount of nothingness and holding back nonsense even more. It also shows how quickly the tournament went from being a battle royale into these 1v1 fights we have now (it stopped being a battle royale like 3 or 4 episodes in)

It also brings to my attention how short the fights are,largely because of how much time is wasted just standing around looking at each other. So much time I just had to skip through because there is literally nothing happening. This is really beginning to annoy me because they already waste time on the previews and next EP, which are usually meaningless anyways, to the point the episode is only actually like 16-18 minutes at most, and they STILL have to find ways to waste time in the episode.

[amuroray]

WTF GUYS THIS ARC ENDS IN MARCH?

FFS i cant wait that long wtf. Might have to drop it till then.

[RedHeat]

Mines already broken. I had decided going into this that this will be my last arc of Super. So basically if it doesn't end how I think it should I won't care either way because I wont be invested beyond this arc regardless.

Are you gonna drop super, when the top is over,what about the manga

Compare this to the previous arc and it's absolutely worlds apart!

This arc pretty much undid what the previous 2 arcs built up for super in terms of quality. The arc has loooooong overstayed its welcome at this point so I don't even want to think about March which is when it'll end. I guess we know to "be careful what we wish for" as a good amount of fans said the previous 4 arcs were too short.

I think the ft trunks was paced well,it wasn't long or short either.As for the tournament
,yeah is been dragging for a while making this saga kinda boring

This arc has given me several mental breakdowns.

Mind telling the mental breakdowns you had

I puked once, stayed up for two days, lashed out in fury, tweeted the official Toei account some mean things, and I recorded myself screaming like maniac.

[Kinokima]

The problem is some characters are barely getting one episode, while we have other characters getting 5 in a row. I think this arc wouldn't feel quite as long if they let every characters get moments to shine. So far only Goku has had multiple episodes. And I know Goku is Goku but you would think especially early on other characters would get more to do. Not disappear for episode after episode.

And the focus should be on the U7 characters then the new characters. I actually think the new characters would feel better developed if they got to interact with more U7 characters than just Goku. And I don't mean the quick 1 minute cuts we see of characters fighting just to remind us they are still out there doing something.

Another major disappointment for me is at first we were getting all these original team ups of characters interacting we don't normally see but since the Special we've barely gotten any of that and it's just become the same old routine. Lately the only interaction we get is Goku with Freeza which I enjoy but I'd like to see something else....

Right now I just can't wait till December and Jump Fest when hopefully we will hear about the new arc. At least then I will know there is something else on the horizon to look forward to.

[precita]

It's weird how Gohan and 17 were hyped up so much specifically and they really haven't done much at all.

[dbs fanboy]

I can't really tell, if it is or not.
Firstly, knowing that this shit may last until march it's terryfing, i would be fine if it ended on december.
But we don't know what could happen in the future so idk. Mybe the ToP will end soon and after it we'll get something different (fucking seriously there's something suspicious about the Grand Priest, and what's the deal with Freeza?, and what the hell would a guy like Jiren want to wish for?).

I also think that a rewatch would be needed for final judgement, just to see the big picture.So yeah it's to soon to judge it completely.

So far, i think it's been fine, it had cool fights, team ups, character moments, character interactions, music, and i can't seriously be the only one that loves the idea of having a different parodies of anime genres being represented as different universes. As long as it keeps spamming episodes like 113 or 112 or 104 or 107, i won't complain.

Thought, i gotta say that it has certainly failed at making this seem like a big battle for survival, but that's manly for it's rules against killing, which yeah, it may ,make some sense in universe but .........


By the way i don't get the manga hype. Yeah, it's been good with it's differencies from the anime but it's not SO MUCH BETTER. The manga has some things that the anime doesn't and Viceversa (ehem other characters fighting besides Goku and Beerus, ehem Toppo's personality)

[MarCas92]

I agree with pretty much all the negative points I've seen. Super has not and will probably never be a "good" show. But it is a fun one. I think just people choose to think about it too much.

But if this arc has done one thing amazingly well, it's Freeza. As long as he doesn't end up becoming a good guy, I think he's going to be the saving grace of this arc.

[ekrolo2]

I agree with pretty much all the negative points I've seen. Super has not and will probably never be a "good" show. But it is a fun one. I think just people choose to think about it too much.

But if this arc has done one thing amazingly well, it's Freeza. As long as he doesn't end up becoming a good guy, I think he's going to be the saving grace of this arc.

Freeza's build up amounting to nothing can sink it too. Something I full expect to happen.

[The gr]

By the way i don't get the manga hype. Yeah, it's been good with it's differencies from the anime but it's not SO MUCH BETTER. The manga has some things that the anime doesn't and Viceversa (ehem other characters fighting besides Goku and Beerus, ehem Toppo's personality)

What do you mean by this,vegeta,trunks,kibito,other gods,piccolo(yes it was short but it counts) fougth in the manga,i'm sure other character will get their battle and toppo,well i don't see the problem,is not like he ruined toppo like black,we will see how we handles him later.

[The_Destroyer]

Totally agree. All the cool designs end up being fodder. Everyone stands around doing nothing. Like hell I want Katopelsa to do something, he looks cool and even has a cool gimmick. But he'll get one shot and Caulifla will get 4 consecutive episodes. Zirloin's design looks awesome yet we barely see anything about him. Ribrianne gets all the focus yet she's made out to be weak. This arc is so underwhelming and could have been done much better.

[Nero<>Akira]

It's not what i expected. But I'm fine with what we've gotten. The best part of the arc so far has been the beginning up until the beginning of the tournament cause it had a clear narrative and consistent narrative. Only one episode was sub par and that was Tien's episode. The tournament to me has still been great but considering its around halfway done and they've slowed the pacing down for what happens in one minute, we will get more episodes and it's been better since the special honestly and there's been more weight to what's been going on too since then. I felt the best of the tournament would come post Goku vs Jiren and i've felt that's what's happening especially with its presentation (art and animation). I think the biggest flaw with now such little time passing by in just a minute is the drastic changes that can happen power and character wise. power wise you can wave it at that these people are freaks of nature. but, believable character development can't usually be done in such a short time. Still, because of the stakes and the layout of the tournament, decisions characters normally wouldn't do are on the table even if it's in a short amount of time. Even in real life, quick, drastic decisions must be done.

[dbs fanboy]

By the way i don't get the manga hype. Yeah, it's been good with it's differencies from the anime but it's not SO MUCH BETTER. The manga has some things that the anime doesn't and Viceversa (ehem other characters fighting besides Goku and Beerus, ehem Toppo's personality)

What do you mean by this,vegeta,trunks,kibito,other gods,piccolo(yes it was short but it counts) fougth in the manga,i'm sure other character will get their battle and toppo,is really silly to say he has no personality,maybe he is the hero of justice like in the anime,it be stupid if he is not considering jiren and dyspo have the same outfits.

I was talking about the Pre Tournament fights not the Ft Trunks arc. I liked to see a battle between gods of destruction , that was great and it used these new important characters that have been foreshadowed since BoG (i think), in a much better way than the anime. But i didn't like how we didn't get to see Gohan or Buu fight.Buu because his fight was cool, and Gohan, because his scenes were important to make him start trying to get "his warrior senses". Also, Toppo is pretty boring for me in the manga, i liked how he started calling Goku evil and all that crap in ep 82. In fact, his overly exagerated personality, is what makes me appreciate him so much more now for putting his feelings towards Goku aside once the tournament began. So far, Manga Toppo is another Jiren, with the ony difference being that he actually communicates with the cast.

[The gr]

Totally agree. All the cool designs end up being fodder. Everyone stands around doing nothing. Like hell I want Katopelsa to do something, he looks cool and even has a cool gimmick. But he'll get one shot and Caulifla will get 4 consecutive episodes. Zirloin's design looks awesome yet we barely see anything about him. Ribrianne gets all the focus yet she's made out to be weak. This arc is so underwhelming and could have been done much better.

Hey if your not jiren,u6 or u7,then your shit,read the rules.

I was talking about the Pre Tournament fights not the Ft Trunks arc. I liked to see a battle between gods of destruction , that was great and it used these new important characters that have been foreshadowed since BoG (i think), in a much better way than the anime. But i didn't like how we didn't get to see Gohan or Buu fight.Buu because his fight was cool, and Gohan, because his scenes were important to make him start trying to get "his warrior senses". Also, Toppo is pretty boring for me in the manga, i liked how he started calling Goku evil and all that crap in ep 82. In fact, his overly exagerated personality, is what makes me appreciate him so much more now for putting his feelings towards Goku aside once the tournament began. So far, Manga Toppo is another Jiren, with the ony difference being that he actually communicates with the cast.

Don't worry gohan will have his battle in the top and i'm sad buu didn't had his battle but hey the manga need to change thing,it would be pretty boring if they were the same.Goku is not evil in the manga so he didn't need bad mouth him and he is not like jiren,far from him,he will have his hero agenda,i'm sure of it.

[GodVegetto91]

I agree with pretty much all the negative points I've seen. Super has not and will probably never be a "good" show. But it is a fun one. I think just people choose to think about it too much.

But if this arc has done one thing amazingly well, it's Freeza. As long as he doesn't end up becoming a good guy, I think he's going to be the saving grace of this arc.

Well than make that 2 things at least.

Ultra Instinct!!!