Kami and Nail scene: what's your interpretation of it?

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Re: Kami and Nail scene,whats your interpretation of it?

Post by MR.Mark » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:04 am

I loved it, it's one of those examples when Super rewards longtime fan base with a call back that highlights the lore of the series. It lacked feeling like fanservice while also being a great dramatic scene pushing Piccolo to keep fighting on.

In other words, it's one of those rare times the franchise feels more mature than it is, and actually succeeds.

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Re: Kami and Nail scene,whats your interpretation of it?

Post by TheZFighter » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:21 am

GodKaio-Ken wrote:I thought it was really simple. "Get up. Move forwards and fight"
This. I'd imagine it was a hallucination of the embodiment of two part's of Piccolo (that sounded like it made sense in my head, apologies if it didn't).

And from my point of view, it was great just seeing those two characters again - even if they were just in Piccolo's mind.
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Re: Kami and Nail scene,whats your interpretation of it?

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:55 am

It was pretty straightforward to me. Piccolo's subconscious manifesting itself in a physical form and reminding him that there is a battle to be fought and one, while also reminding him who fighting alongside him. Contrary to what some users think, I believe the scene was more effective because of the lack dialogue. Not everything needs to be spoon fed to the audience. Less can be so much more.
MR.Mark wrote:In other words, it's one of those rare times the franchise feels more mature than it is, and actually succeeds.
Summed it up perfectly.

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Re: Kami and Nail scene,whats your interpretation of it?

Post by JazzMazz » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:56 am

Asura wrote:I think it was kind of a poorly done scene in my opinion. I would have liked to see some sort of internal monologue which would have lead to character development for Piccolo. Instead, it's kind of a wasted scene. Looked really cool though, and the cameos were cool as well.
Why would they ruin the ruin the levity of the scene with interal dialogue? The use of imagery and framing conveyed Piccolo's revelation and development without needing dialogue. A lot of people comment on how Super doesn't try to be artsy, but I feel like this scene does a fantastic job of utilizing a purely visual medium to convey meaning.

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Re: Kami and Nail scene,whats your interpretation of it?

Post by Asura » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:39 am

JazzMazz wrote:
Asura wrote:I think it was kind of a poorly done scene in my opinion. I would have liked to see some sort of internal monologue which would have lead to character development for Piccolo. Instead, it's kind of a wasted scene. Looked really cool though, and the cameos were cool as well.
Why would they ruin the ruin the levity of the scene with interal dialogue? The use of imagery and framing conveyed Piccolo's revelation and development without needing dialogue. A lot of people comment on how Super doesn't try to be artsy, but I feel like this scene does a fantastic job of utilizing a purely visual medium to convey meaning.
Because having some actual character development is better than silence. Piccolo needing Kami to show him that Gohan is protecting him isn't needed. That should be something that Piccolo figures out on his own. Nail and Kami would have been better utilized not with pointing out Gohan is protecting him, but instead we could have had internal dialogue from Piccolo about how much different and stronger the other Namekians were than him, causing him to feel useless, which is when Nail and Kami come out, causing Piccolo to realize that he's not alone either and can be just as strong as the U6 Namekians. It would have been great development for Piccolo, who is a character that has been tossed aside for the entirety of Super, especially during the U6 tournament in which he basically calls himself useless and having no chance of winning. Picking back up on those traits he expressed from the U6 tournament would have been nice.

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Re: Kami and Nail scene,whats your interpretation of it?

Post by JazzMazz » Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:02 am

Asura wrote:
JazzMazz wrote:
Asura wrote:I think it was kind of a poorly done scene in my opinion. I would have liked to see some sort of internal monologue which would have lead to character development for Piccolo. Instead, it's kind of a wasted scene. Looked really cool though, and the cameos were cool as well.
Why would they ruin the ruin the levity of the scene with interal dialogue? The use of imagery and framing conveyed Piccolo's revelation and development without needing dialogue. A lot of people comment on how Super doesn't try to be artsy, but I feel like this scene does a fantastic job of utilizing a purely visual medium to convey meaning.
Because having some actual character development is better than silence. Piccolo needing Kami to show him that Gohan is protecting him isn't needed. That should be something that Piccolo figures out on his own. Nail and Kami would have been better utilized not with pointing out Gohan is protecting him, but instead we could have had internal dialogue from Piccolo about how much different and stronger the other Namekians were than him, causing him to feel useless, which is when Nail and Kami come out, causing Piccolo to realize that he's not alone either and can be just as strong as the U6 Namekians. It would have been great development for Piccolo, who is a character that has been tossed aside for the entirety of Super, especially during the U6 tournament in which he basically calls himself useless and having no chance of winning. Picking back up on those traits he expressed from the U6 tournament would have been nice.
Do you want me to do a scene breakdown to demonstrate how it shows Piccolo overcome his anxiety towards the Universe 6 Nameks and develops his relationship with Gohan? :P
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Re: Kami and Nail scene,whats your interpretation of it?

Post by Gokitalo » Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:04 am

MR.Mark wrote:I loved it, it's one of those examples when Super rewards longtime fan base with a call back that highlights the lore of the series. It lacked feeling like fanservice while also being a great dramatic scene pushing Piccolo to keep fighting on.
Completely agree, I thought it was very emotive. Not much mention had been made of Piccolo's previous fusions, and that was a nice reminder that Nail's and Kami's psyches are still in Piccolo's mind, in some fashion, and help push him forward when need be.

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Re: Kami and Nail scene,whats your interpretation of it?

Post by Whatever » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:44 am

Asura wrote:
JazzMazz wrote:
Asura wrote:I think it was kind of a poorly done scene in my opinion. I would have liked to see some sort of internal monologue which would have lead to character development for Piccolo. Instead, it's kind of a wasted scene. Looked really cool though, and the cameos were cool as well.
Why would they ruin the ruin the levity of the scene with interal dialogue? The use of imagery and framing conveyed Piccolo's revelation and development without needing dialogue. A lot of people comment on how Super doesn't try to be artsy, but I feel like this scene does a fantastic job of utilizing a purely visual medium to convey meaning.
Because having some actual character development is better than silence. Piccolo needing Kami to show him that Gohan is protecting him isn't needed. That should be something that Piccolo figures out on his own. Nail and Kami would have been better utilized not with pointing out Gohan is protecting him, but instead we could have had internal dialogue from Piccolo about how much different and stronger the other Namekians were than him, causing him to feel useless, which is when Nail and Kami come out, causing Piccolo to realize that he's not alone either and can be just as strong as the U6 Namekians. It would have been great development for Piccolo, who is a character that has been tossed aside for the entirety of Super, especially during the U6 tournament in which he basically calls himself useless and having no chance of winning. Picking back up on those traits he expressed from the U6 tournament would have been nice.
I think you are mixing things up,that happened in the manga version,in the anime version of this arc Piccolo went in with every intention of winning.

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