Do you like Super Saiyan 4?

MR.Mark · Post by **MR.Mark** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:13 am

Jackalope89 wrote:

Looks ugly and gimmicky, like something Trendmasters would slap on to the Godzilla toy line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoFH2POwtk

Jackalope89 · Post by **Jackalope89** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:28 am

MR.Mark wrote:
Jackalope89 wrote:

Looks ugly and gimmicky, like something Trendmasters would slap on to the Godzilla toy line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoFH2POwtk

Ah, subjective opinions.

LordCrumb · Post by **LordCrumb** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:54 am

I like it so much better than all this Red, Rose, Blue, Silver crap. It's a design that calls back to the fact they are actually monkeys.

Kchlu · Post by **Kchlu** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:08 am

I like it, it's definitely high on my list of transformations. The design is not too much yet not too simple so that's definitely a plus. The concept of it is great and I appreciate how it hark back to the roots of saiyans. The only thing ever holding it back for me was the colour scheme for it, there's just something very...off about them.

TheZFighter · Post by **TheZFighter** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:47 am

I've always felt that I was in the minority for disliking SSJ4 and this thread pretty much confirms that.

Personally, I hate the Glam Rock-style hair, I hate the eyeliner, I hate the red fur and I hate the goofy trousers. I've never been a fan.

Always find it funny how two people can have completely different views on the same thing. Us Earthlings eh...

PsionicWarrior · Post by **PsionicWarrior** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:24 am

I used to like it but looking back now... Meh.
People like to criticize recolors but recolors are actually genius for power indication.

Avenant · Post by **Avenant** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:51 am

Personally, I hate it. Out of all of Toriyama's designs, this is my least favorite by an extremely long-shot. I agree that the concept is interesting, but, to me, the visual design is just ugly and was probably a better idea than a fully-envisioned product. "Covered in red fur" doesn't necessarily bring to mind "badass" for me. And the bloodshot eyeliner? Worse than Super Saiyan 3's eyebrows in my opinion.

TheMikado · Post by **TheMikado** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:55 am

Avenant wrote:Personally, I hate it. Out of all of Toriyama's designs, this is my least favorite by an extremely long-shot. I agree that the concept is interesting, but, to me, the visual design is just ugly and was probably a better idea than a fully-envisioned product. "Covered in red fur" doesn't necessarily bring to mind "badass" for me. And the bloodshot eyeliner? Worse than Super Saiyan 3's eyebrows in my opinion.

Toriyama didn’t design it, but this is actually my favorite just on virtue of what it is. And I love the look. It looks great in action. If can see if you never saw it in motion and fighting it does look out of place but watching SSJ4 in action makes it look like the natural raw form of Saiyan. If your only experience is from still images I would encourage you to watch an actual fight.

Avenant · Post by **Avenant** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:06 pm

TheMikado wrote:
Avenant wrote:Personally, I hate it. Out of all of Toriyama's designs, this is my least favorite by an extremely long-shot. I agree that the concept is interesting, but, to me, the visual design is just ugly and was probably a better idea than a fully-envisioned product. "Covered in red fur" doesn't necessarily bring to mind "badass" for me. And the bloodshot eyeliner? Worse than Super Saiyan 3's eyebrows in my opinion.
Toriyama didn’t design it, but this is actually my favorite just on virtue of what it is. And I love the look. It looks great in action. If can see if you never saw it in motion and fighting it does look out of place but watching SSJ4 in action makes it look like the natural raw form of Saiyan. If your only experience is from still images I would encourage you to watch an actual fight.

My apologies. After reading your response I did the research and quickly learned that the yellow-paper drawing that Toriyama did was just a doodle he did of the already-designed character. My bad! Alas, this only strengthens my opinion. But I have seen GT in it's entirety and unfortunately none of it convinced me that SSJ4 is a quality design. But to each their own.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:00 pm

I spoke about the form in my re-watch of GT and my opinion remains the same:

SSJ4 is the best thing GT produces and one the highlights of the entire franchise. Speaking from an aesthetic standpoint, at the very least, it's an amazing form. The homage to the long forgotten Oozaru form, while also tying it into the lore of the Original Super Saiyan and managing to combine the characteristic of controlling your rage, much like the first Super Saiyan form... fantastic.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:50 pm

For the most part, I like it.

First of all, I love that it's an actual tnansformation. I love that the hair changes, the eyes change, and they actually go back to their Saiyan roots and have fur. I like that. I don't care about the fur color. I don't understand the criticism on Goku's fur color -- yeah, it's "pink." Well, its more magenta, but if we're not going to analyze it as if it were a Crayola box, then yeah, pink, sure. But so what's wrong with that? Saying that the fur is a stupid color is no less subjective than saying that Goku's gi is a crappy color or that Bulma's hair is a crappy color. It is what it is. I don't mind it. The eye color -- same thing. I like it.

There are two things that I can't stand about Super Saiyan 4 -- just two things. Number one: the clothing. I mean... why? I understand, they couldn't have a naked adult Goku running around after turning into a giant monkey, but was there no other out than to give him clothes for no reason? Couldn't they have a character put clothes on him? Hell, even if they showed old Kaioshin waving his hand to cover Goku up from the Kaioshin Realm, I'd still take that. And then every time he turned into a Super Saiyan 4 afterward, just keep him in the clothes that he already had on. It's not that difficult. He's not the first character to have this magical ability, but he never had it before and shouldn't have it now.

The next thing that I don't get is the red outline around the eyes. Don't get it. That just looks like they ran out of things to throw on him.

Now, Super Saiyan 4 has looked incredible and has looked weak -- that depends on the animation, but the concept of Super Saiyan 4 is great. It's just that in GT, I don't think Goku's SS4 hair is ever consistent. I feel like every time I saw Goku in that form, his hair looked different. I know what it should look like due to promotional pictures and whatnot, but GT had his hair all over the place.

90sDBZ · Post by **90sDBZ** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:09 pm

I've always liked it and agree it's probably the best thing about GT. I loved how cocky Goku acted in that form and how it served as a contrast to his goofier Kid form. One of my favourite lines from the videogames is SS4 Goku's "Right now there's nothing I can't do". And there where some great moments like him finishing off the Ice Dragon with the Dragon Fist, and most of the battle with Syn Shenron. We didn't get to see Vegeta use it as much, but it was nice seeing him being relevant again.

MR.Mark · Post by **MR.Mark** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:19 pm

Jackalope89 wrote:
MR.Mark wrote:
Jackalope89 wrote:

Looks ugly and gimmicky, like something Trendmasters would slap on to the Godzilla toy line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoFH2POwtk
Ah, subjective opinions.

Hence the point of a discussion board.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:23 pm

A topic like "Do you like ______?" will always be subjective regardless of what you throw into it. Objectively, you can discuss how efficient Super Saiyan 4 is, but that will never mean whether someone likes it or not.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:38 pm

I love the design, and I like how every character who has it has different colors. Vegeta has red fur and Gogeta has brown fur. I also like Goku's magenta fur, and that probably adds to why I like Super Saiyan God, because magenta's a nice color.

Timetraveller · Post by **Timetraveller** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:31 pm

Probably the best transformation in Dragonball. At least up there with the original Super saiyan form. It's not a silly recolor and Goku's personality suddenly becomes very serious when he transforms. A great way to bring back the Oozaru form too

Jackalope89 · Post by **Jackalope89** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:03 pm

Timetraveller wrote:Probably the best transformation in Dragonball. At least up there with the original Super saiyan form. It's not a silly recolor and Goku's personality suddenly becomes very serious when he transforms. A great way to bring back the Oozaru form too

To be fair, Goku in GT was more mature (though still fun loving), especially compared to his Super counterpart.

samuraix123 · Post by **samuraix123** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:57 pm

I'm going through GT again after like a zillion years and I forgot how much I liked Super Saiyan 4.

ZenKaiBooze · Post by **ZenKaiBooze** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:48 pm

I guess. It's a shame it's from GT.

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:23 pm

Ehhhh not particularly.

I don't hate it but I don't like it no. It looks completely out of place, it's not a good design and it just doesn't make sense visually at all.

Why do Goku and Vegeta have different shades of fur?

Why is the fur red when the Oozaru is brown?

Why does Goku suddenly gain pants that he wasn't wearing before?

Why does Vegeta have brown hair?

Had it been completely Gold like some of the canary you can find online it would have looked drastically better and made more sense.

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