Would Ultra Instinct Vegetto Rank Among The Top 5 Fighters In All Universes?

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Re: Would Ultra Instinct Vegetto Rank Among The Top 5 Fighters In All Universes?

Post by theherodjl » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:48 pm

Asura wrote:Would Vegetto even be able to use Ultra Instinct? Think about it. If Vegeta can't do it, how could Vegetto do it? I'd assume you can't master such a technique unless every part of you was able to master it, not just half.
Nothing in DB says that both fusees are required to know or master a technique to perform it. Just look at Gotenks for example, Trunks & Goten can't become SSJ3 on their own but their fusion certainly can. Vegetto also possesses a unique immunity to the candy beam in that he doesn't lose consciousness when turned into chocolate. Fusion gives additional benefits on top of just adding individuals power together, the ability to access a power up that one of his fusees knows shouldn't be out of range for Vegetto.
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Re: Would Ultra Instinct Vegetto Rank Among The Top 5 Fighters In All Universes?

Post by Asura » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:53 pm

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Asura wrote:Would Vegetto even be able to use Ultra Instinct? Think about it. If Vegeta can't do it, how could Vegetto do it? I'd assume you can't master such a technique unless every part of you was able to master it, not just half.
Nothing in DB says that both fusees are required to know or master a technique to perform it. Just look at Gotenks for example, Trunks & Goten can't become SSJ3 on their own but their fusion certainly can. Vegetto also possesses a unique immunity to the candy beam in that he doesn't lose consciousness when turned into chocolate. Fusion gives additional benefits on top of just adding individuals power together, the ability to access a power up that one of his fusees knows shouldn't be out of range for Vegetto.
SSJ3 is a transformation though whereas Ultra Instinct is a technique. It requires you to completely clear your mind and let your body do all the work. If Goku is able to do that and Vegeta can't, I'd imagine there'd be some sort of conflict there in Vegetto where he can't do it if Vegeta can't do it.

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Re: Would Ultra Instinct Vegetto Rank Among The Top 5 Fighters In All Universes?

Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:46 pm

Asura wrote:
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Asura wrote:Would Vegetto even be able to use Ultra Instinct? Think about it. If Vegeta can't do it, how could Vegetto do it? I'd assume you can't master such a technique unless every part of you was able to master it, not just half.
Nothing in DB says that both fusees are required to know or master a technique to perform it. Just look at Gotenks for example, Trunks & Goten can't become SSJ3 on their own but their fusion certainly can. Vegetto also possesses a unique immunity to the candy beam in that he doesn't lose consciousness when turned into chocolate. Fusion gives additional benefits on top of just adding individuals power together, the ability to access a power up that one of his fusees knows shouldn't be out of range for Vegetto.
SSJ3 is a transformation though whereas Ultra Instinct is a technique. It requires you to completely clear your mind and let your body do all the work. If Goku is able to do that and Vegeta can't, I'd imagine there'd be some sort of conflict there in Vegetto where he can't do it if Vegeta can't do it.
He used the Big Bang Attack. A technique that Goku can't do.
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Re: Would Ultra Instinct Vegetto Rank Among The Top 5 Fighters In All Universes?

Post by Asura » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:47 pm

Dragon Ball Gus wrote:
Asura wrote:
theherodjl wrote:
Nothing in DB says that both fusees are required to know or master a technique to perform it. Just look at Gotenks for example, Trunks & Goten can't become SSJ3 on their own but their fusion certainly can. Vegetto also possesses a unique immunity to the candy beam in that he doesn't lose consciousness when turned into chocolate. Fusion gives additional benefits on top of just adding individuals power together, the ability to access a power up that one of his fusees knows shouldn't be out of range for Vegetto.
SSJ3 is a transformation though whereas Ultra Instinct is a technique. It requires you to completely clear your mind and let your body do all the work. If Goku is able to do that and Vegeta can't, I'd imagine there'd be some sort of conflict there in Vegetto where he can't do it if Vegeta can't do it.
He used the Big Bang Attack. A technique that Goku can't do.
There's no reason why Goku can't do it though. Just like we have a million people who can somehow use the Kamehameha. There's a strict reason why Vegeta can't access UI though. Being able to use a beam attack and being able to separate the mind and body in combat and let the body dodge on its own are two completely different things

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Re: Would Ultra Instinct Vegetto Rank Among The Top 5 Fighters In All Universes?

Post by Galan007 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:50 am

Dragon Ball Gus wrote:He used the Big Bang Attack. A technique that Goku can't do.

UI is nothing like a typical energy attack, nor is it remotely similar to a standard 'transformation'... We've never seen anything like it before, tbh.

UI is essentially the ability to fight without thinking -- letting each part of your body take over and act independent of conscious thought. As of now, Vegeta is nowhere near being able to utilize UI in ANY capacity... It is exceedingly difficult for him to 'let go' in the heat of battle(even Whis explicitly made note of this.)

That said, I really can't imagine Vegito being able to fully unlock UI... Vegeta's ridiculously analytical mind would inhibit Goku's(and subsequently Vegito's) potential use of UI, imo.

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Re: Would Ultra Instinct Vegetto Rank Among The Top 5 Fighters In All Universes?

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:44 am

He'd definitely rank among the top 5 jobbers in all universes.

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Re: Would Ultra Instinct Vegetto Rank Among The Top 5 Fighters In All Universes?

Post by Bullza » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:57 pm

He's not even in the Top 30 probably.

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