Hakai and sphere of destruction... how are they different?

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Re: Hakai and sphere of destruction... how are they different?

Post by Helios518 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:24 am

Lord Frieza wrote: 1) Everything is graded these days, there are multiple types of immortality, rageing from just not ageing to absolute. Zamasu's version of this ability ticks the most boxes for the highest grade classed as absolute. Absolute itself is also graded in fiction and in this case it would be classed as universal level, the laws that govern our own reality are absolute yet in another universe they may not exist at all such as one of chaos. Even infinity has levels when you start bringing multiverse into it.

Edit: to put it this way.

Zamasu's immortality is a universal absolute while Zen-Oh Erase is a multi-universal one. One trumps the other due to its greater level of infinity.

As for 2) maybe I didn't explain it well as I didn't mean Zen=Oh can manipluate the universe, just trying to explain how his Erase function.
I’m well aware of levels of infinity but saying it’s absolute only to clarify later that it’s universe level is misleading. Unlike infinity, there’s no levels of absolute.

For Zeno, I still don’t see how you know that Zeno erases things by going into “the source code” of reality. IIRC, something like that was never mentioned though that sounds like a cool concept.
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Re: Hakai and sphere of destruction... how are they different?

Post by Lord Frieza » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:34 am

Helios518 wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote: 1) Everything is graded these days, there are multiple types of immortality, rageing from just not ageing to absolute. Zamasu's version of this ability ticks the most boxes for the highest grade classed as absolute. Absolute itself is also graded in fiction and in this case it would be classed as universal level, the laws that govern our own reality are absolute yet in another universe they may not exist at all such as one of chaos. Even infinity has levels when you start bringing multiverse into it.

Edit: to put it this way.

Zamasu's immortality is a universal absolute while Zen-Oh Erase is a multi-universal one. One trumps the other due to its greater level of infinity.

As for 2) maybe I didn't explain it well as I didn't mean Zen=Oh can manipluate the universe, just trying to explain how his Erase function.
I’m well aware of levels of infinity but saying it’s absolute only to clarify later that it’s universe level is misleading. Unlike infinity, there’s no levels of absolute.

For Zeno, I still don’t see how you know that Zeno erases things by going into “the source code” of reality. IIRC, something like that was never mentioned though that sounds like a cool concept.
1) I think I'll concide to that.

2) Its the only way I can explain how hes able to destroy something Beerus cannot. Hakei power is similur in function to entropy or armagendon powers. It the embodiment of the universal laws that lead everything to eventually end. If that power cannot erase something, in this case an very high level of immortality, the only way round it is to effectively erase it from reality as a whole. As I see it Zamasu is the equivilent of a glitched file that cannot be erased even the computers own systems (Beerus) that eventaull developed into a full blown virus. The only way to get round that is a full blown wipe that erases it all, even the source code.

Edit:

I'm not say he can manipulate reality at will but thats what his Erase must be functioning like to trump Hakai. Omni-Delete is a form of Omni-Control.

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