VDenter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:36 pm
Planetnamek wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:07 pm
VDenter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:26 am
Just take a moment to consider in what forum you made that post in and what the topic is exactly about.
I don't think you really have any right to tell me how i should spend my time. Those were some wild assumptions on your part about me to begin with.
Oh no, my mistake. You are complete right, how dare i dislike the Faulconer score. I guess just because some time has passed that means it is now somehow retroactively a good soundtrack. Funny how that works.
I acknowledge that it exist but i disagree with you.
Overdramatic? No, i don't think so. I don't really have any interest in playing mental gymnastics and pretend that the Faulconer score has some or any merit to speak of. Or that it should be placed anywhere near the same level of importance as the original score, just so we could be fair about it i guess. No. I have had enough conversations with plenty of dub fans and i can make a pretty well informed opinion about where their enjoyment for the Faulconer score likely comes from at this point. I'm sure that there likely exist a very small fraction of the fanbase that consider that drivel as good music but those fall likely somewhere in the 1%
I'm pretty sure it is a case of just blind nostalgia and a bit of stockholm syndrome for the other 99%. I find the idea laughable honestly that anyone would be really defending anything about it if they hadn't seen it as a kid. The dub and by extension the Faulconer score is a abysmal product that had no involvement from the creators of the actual source material and as a result i think it is completely OK to discard it from my perspective.
Heck if the creator of this site came in and banned all discussion about the OG Funi dub and the Faulconer score, because it has nothing to do with the real version of DBZ and so it has nothing to do with Dragon Ball as a whole, i would be 100% on board with that completely justifiable decision.
Disliking is one thing, acting like the only possible way people can actually enjoy it is "nostalgia" is quite another.
For me it's absolutely not a case of "Stockholm syndrome" in the least because I had almost zero memory of the soundtrack from back when I watched the show on CN. The first time I ever properly heard the soundtrack was many years later after the show went off the air when I checked out some samples online from Amazon(from one of the soundtrack releases) after reading DBZU and seeing Psaros bitch about the soundtrack, I was like "this guy's got to be exaggerating, I don't remember it being THAT bad" and sure enough it wasn't, I loved what I heard and since then i've frequently listened to it on Youtube.
I know it's difficult for people like you to comprehend, but lots of DBZ fans do unironically enjoy listening to Faulconer's work and it's not just nostalgia talking. I'll certainly gladly listen to it over a lot of what passes for popular music these days(*cough* Post Malone *cought*).
Advocating for banning discussion of something in the franchise just cause you don't like it is truly one of the most elitist gatekeepy things i've ever heard anyone say(reminds me of when one of the jackasses that ran Sailor Moon Uncensored said he wished the show had NEVER gotten a dub in the first place, regardless of the fact that a dub never happening pretty much means anime would've never taken off in a major way the U.S. since SM's dub was like ground zero for that, as it was getting big ratings months before CN picked up DBZ)it just boggles my mind how people can be this arrogant and narrow-minded.
I'd personally be fine if this kind of holier-then-thou "i'm a sub fan so that makes me better then you" nonsense was banned entirely, I don't think anything of value whatsoever would be lost if that was the case. I find it laughable that you are so close-minded that you think your opinion about the franchise is the only correct one to have. Seems like you're the only one playing "mental gymnastics" here.
First of all i'm not going around knocking at peoples houses and demanding that they remove all traces of the Faulconer score and prohibit them from ever listening or talking about it. Your response is pretty overdramatic and it comes across like you are purposefully trying to twist what i was saying.
I am not advocating that any discussion about it be banned on this forum. MY POINT was simply that i do not consider it the same product as DBZ, or that i want to acknowledge it as having any merit worth preserving. So if hypothetically a discussion about it were to be banned here, i would simply have zero issues with it since i don't think it has anything to do with Dragon Ball in the first place.NONE of the original creators of the show had anything to do with it and the group that did, they had such a low opinion on what they were working on and the audience they were present it to. So based on those facts It is a completely separate product that has nothing to do with DB. In the same way Transformers is a completely separate product from Dragon Ball. It is simple as that. Sorry if that bothers you. I am fully allowed to despise everything about this dub soundtrack. I love DB and i really wish this abomination that is attached to it didn't exist. So that i wouldn't have to be reminded that it exists.
I don't see what is even remotely "holier than thou" or "elitist" about that opinion? Simply put the Faulconer score was produced under shitty circumstances and the end result is something completely disrespectful to the VERY CORE of this franchise and in my opinion complete trash even when completely removed from this franchise and judged on its own merits.
But you are saying you'd rather all discussion of the soundtrack be banned from here and you genuinely believe almost all of the fans of the soundtrack are only fans out of "nostalgia", so nah I think it's you that's being "overdramatic" here.
I personally don't think it's "disrespectful" or "complete trash" in the least and I think it adds quite a bit to the show, but that's just me. If you hate it fine, but don't try to psychoanalyze those that do like it, you aren't psychic or a mind-reaper and you have NO possible way of proving with absolutely certainty that all of the people that like the soundtrack ONLY do so cause of "stockholm syndrome" or other such nonsensical claims, so I don't really see what you are hoping to gain here, holding a grudge against a dub that went off the air over 15 years ago does not sound healthy in the least and I fail to see what still being bitter about it accomplishes at all.
There are plenty of things i'm not happy about that I can't do anything about, i was annoyed that the initial plans of the DCEU didn't work out as planned as I was genuinely interested to see where it was going, but I know griping about it and sniping at MCU fans isn't going to solve anything, so I got over it and just accepted it.
Bottom line, trying to act like it's impossible for people to like the score without having grown up watching the show isn't going to retroactively prevent the dub from ever happening in the first place as much as i'm sure you wish that was the case, so I fail to see what exactly is to be gained from this contant bitterness at people for daring to like something you don't like.
Never said you "weren't allowed" to dislike it, you are, but it seems like just disliking the soundtrack and the dub is never enough for people like you, you always have to take it one step further and passive-aggressively go after those that do unironically enjoy it
Personally I don't give a rat's ass about the fact that none of the original creators were involved because that's just how dubbing works(i'm guessing you don't like any dubs period judging from your post), if you don't like that then oh well, but like it or not the vast majority of people on this forum wouldn't' be here without the show getting dubbed and beamed to millions of people on CN. After all, not everyone was fortunate enough to grow up near a major city where they had access to underground tape-trading circuits to gain access to fansubs.