Would General Blue be considered offensive to the LGBTQ+ community in this day and age?

[WittyUsername]

Doesn’t the whole “gay men are in shape” stereotype also exist in the west? I mean, there have long been jokes about He-Man being gay, and he’s ridiculously buff.

[MyVisionity]

Part of it may be the gym-obsessive stereotype (which also exists in the West), but I also seem to recall an association between gay men and preternatural strength. Similar to the notion that the intellectually disabled and mentally insane possess super-strength. I can't remember specifically.

Also Blue having supernatural powers kinda reinforces the sense of "otherness" surrounding the depiction of homosexuality. I'm reminded of homophobic "warnings" I heard as a child, like "there's a gay man... Don't look into his eyes, that's how they convert!" and assorted nonsense.

[Fionordequester]

Part of it may be the gym-obsessive stereotype (which also exists in the West), but I also seem to recall an association between gay men and preternatural strength. Similar to the notion that the intellectually disabled and mentally insane possess super-strength. I can't remember specifically.

If I recall, it's a Bushido thing. Men were expected to form bonds of kinship with each other, and also spent long periods of time away from women, so...

Well, it happened. The generals weren't bothered none, so long as it helped them fight better as a team.

[JulieYBM]

I imagine that if General Blue was suddenly thrown back into the spotlight he would be a controversial character. I'm neither a man nor gay but if Blue was a pansexual trans girl I'd be very cautious about how he is portrayed. I would want him to be written with love, rather than a negative commentary on my ilk. I don't mind trans people being made into evil people but I do think there's got to be some degree of explanation to explain why someone would lack the empathy that comes with being transgender.

[MasenkoHA]

I imagine that if General Blue was suddenly thrown back into the spotlight he would be a controversial character. I'm neither a man nor gay but if Blue was a pansexual trans girl I'd be very cautious about how he is portrayed. I would want him to be written with love, rather than a negative commentary on my ilk. I don't mind trans people being made into evil people but I do think there's got to be some degree of explanation to explain why someone would lack the empathy that comes with being transgender.

I think the problem with trans character as villains is it's usually never just "oh here is a bad guy that happens to be transgender" it's usually insinuated they're evil because they're trans. Ava from the series Nip/Tuck is a good example that comes to mind. Not only did she prey on teen boys because they would be less likely to figure out she was born male her backstory had her being a gay man who transitioned to be with a straight man and her biological sex was discovered by being raped by one of the main male characters.

[JulieYBM]

I imagine that if General Blue was suddenly thrown back into the spotlight he would be a controversial character. I'm neither a man nor gay but if Blue was a pansexual trans girl I'd be very cautious about how he is portrayed. I would want him to be written with love, rather than a negative commentary on my ilk. I don't mind trans people being made into evil people but I do think there's got to be some degree of explanation to explain why someone would lack the empathy that comes with being transgender.

I think the problem with trans character as villains is it's usually never just "oh here is a bad guy that happens to be transgender" it's usually insinuated they're evil because they're trans. Ava from the series Nip/Tuck is a good example that comes to mind. Not only did she prey on teen boys because they would be less likely to figure out she was born male her backstory had her being a gay man who transitioned to be with a straight man and her biological sex was discovered by being raped by one of the main male characters.

Jesus, that sounds awful. Nia from Supergirl is the one half-way decent portrayal of a trans person in western media that I have personally come across. I feel like we're always portrayed as drag queens in popular media and it really annoys me.

[Vijay]

Blue's this what you'd call "high-class" guy. He priotizes hygiene, his order are ultimate, he prefers his commander Dock to lose some weight as he doesnt want a rolypoly to be in his team...so...where did LGBT came from? Seriously...

All of those things you mentioned are gay stereotypes. As well as his sadistic ruthlessness, and also the whole "gay men have superhuman strength" idea with Blue's abilities etc. etc.

I think Kuririn also taunts him as something amounting to a "flaming homo" in the anime.

I dunno abt stereotypes man. Instead of stereotyping, I prefer judgin based on my own eyes.

As of now, watchin Blue chasing Goku & co inside Pirate Cave...stopped at that. So I wouldnt know all those flaming homo & stuff. Ruthlessness is a trait established by every DB/Z villain...so dat hardly counts as stereotype. Dats like saying Asians are only chinese....or criminals refers to only blacks...

[KBABZ]

Jesus, that sounds awful. Nia from Supergirl is the one half-way decent portrayal of a trans person in western media that I have personally come across. I feel like we're always portrayed as drag queens in popular media and it really annoys me.

As someone with Autism I can relate to that, seems like we're only ever math prodigies with no social life in the media.

[JulieYBM]

Jesus, that sounds awful. Nia from Supergirl is the one half-way decent portrayal of a trans person in western media that I have personally come across. I feel like we're always portrayed as drag queens in popular media and it really annoys me.

As someone with Autism I can relate to that, seems like we're only ever math prodigies with no social life in the media.

Yeah, Hollywood really is run by a bunch of out-of-touch rich elites. It'd be nice if actual left-wingers with a social conscious would make set things straight.

[Jord]

Jesus, that sounds awful. Nia from Supergirl is the one half-way decent portrayal of a trans person in western media that I have personally come across. I feel like we're always portrayed as drag queens in popular media and it really annoys me.

As someone with Autism I can relate to that, seems like we're only ever math prodigies with no social life in the media.

Yeah, Hollywood really is run by a bunch of out-of-touch rich elites. It'd be nice if actual left-wingers with a social conscious would make set things straight.

Yeah, they are so out of touch that they continue to make boatloads of money every year. Disney is sure out of touch with movies such as Endgame, Toy Story 4 and Captain Marvel. Just because movie studios don't appeal to a vast minority it doesn't mean they're out of touch.

PS Disney changed Lando Calrissian to a pansexual who wanted to have sex with his robot friend. Guess they scored points with that one.


More on-topic. Comedy is broad. Once you single out General Blue, the hunt is on for more characters in DragonBall. After people are done being offended by him, people pick a new target like #Metoo Roshi or that flamboyant gay dude from the last Budokai in DBZ. Let's also turn Mr Popo blue for the rest of all his appearances and let Chi-Chi escape from her role as stay at home wife because it's a stereotype for a woman.

[JulieYBM]

As someone with Autism I can relate to that, seems like we're only ever math prodigies with no social life in the media.

Yeah, Hollywood really is run by a bunch of out-of-touch rich elites. It'd be nice if actual left-wingers with a social conscious would make set things straight.

Yeah, they are so out of touch that they continue to make boatloads of money every year. Disney is sure out of touch with movies such as Endgame, Toy Story 4 and Captain Marvel. Just because movie studios don't appeal to a vast minority it doesn't mean they're out of touch.

Love to refuse to learn anything about LGBTQIA+ folks and constantly reinforce stereotypes for the sake of God King Emperor Profit-sama.

Means-testing shit with the lowest common denominator does not 'in-touch' make.

[Jord]

Yeah, Hollywood really is run by a bunch of out-of-touch rich elites. It'd be nice if actual left-wingers with a social conscious would make set things straight.

Yeah, they are so out of touch that they continue to make boatloads of money every year. Disney is sure out of touch with movies such as Endgame, Toy Story 4 and Captain Marvel. Just because movie studios don't appeal to a vast minority it doesn't mean they're out of touch.

Love to refuse to learn anything about LGBTQIA+ folks and constantly reinforce stereotypes for the sake of God King Emperor Profit-sama.

Means-testing shit with the lowest common denominator does not 'in-touch' make.

It's quite simple, really. The movie business is a business. The goal of a business is to make money. They do this on a basis of Supply and demand. If there is a demand for more LGBTQIA+AO stories, companies make LGBTQIA+AO movies. If there isn't, a company shouldn't invest money in making one. It's not Hollywood's task to 'educate' people. The fact that they took a step with a huge brand like Star Wars is huge. Unfortunately, the backlash it got from multiple sides made it clear that it wasn't a wise thing to do.

[KBABZ]

It's quite simple, really. The movie business is a business. The goal of a business is to make money. They do this on a basis of Supply and demand. If there is a demand for more LGBTQIA+AO stories, companies make LGBTQIA+AO movies. If there isn't, a company shouldn't invest money in making one. It's not Hollywood's task to 'educate' people. The fact that they took a step with a huge brand like Star Wars is huge. Unfortunately, the backlash it got from multiple sides made it clear that it wasn't a wise thing to do.

It got backlash sure, but the amount of little girls who cosplay as Rey and Leia now alone mean that Disney now have even more kids to get money from in the future, so that sounds like a good business strategy to me.

[Brodes]

Blue's this what you'd call "high-class" guy. He priotizes hygiene, his order are ultimate, he prefers his commander Dock to lose some weight as he doesnt want a rolypoly to be in his team...so...where did LGBT came from? Seriously...

All of those things you mentioned are gay stereotypes. As well as his sadistic ruthlessness, and also the whole "gay men have superhuman strength" idea with Blue's abilities etc. etc.

I think Kuririn also taunts him as something amounting to a "flaming homo" in the anime.

Wait. What. In what world is 'superhuman strength' a gay stereotype?

Yeah, they are so out of touch that they continue to make boatloads of money every year. Disney is sure out of touch with movies such as Endgame, Toy Story 4 and Captain Marvel. Just because movie studios don't appeal to a vast minority it doesn't mean they're out of touch.

Love to refuse to learn anything about LGBTQIA+ folks and constantly reinforce stereotypes for the sake of God King Emperor Profit-sama.

Means-testing shit with the lowest common denominator does not 'in-touch' make.

It's quite simple, really. The movie business is a business. The goal of a business is to make money. They do this on a basis of Supply and demand. If there is a demand for more LGBTQIA+AO stories, companies make LGBTQIA+AO movies. If there isn't, a company shouldn't invest money in making one. It's not Hollywood's task to 'educate' people. The fact that they took a step with a huge brand like Star Wars is huge. Unfortunately, the backlash it got from multiple sides made it clear that it wasn't a wise thing to do.

Would this be the backlash that still resulted in The Last Jedi being the most popular home media release of 2018 and its box office being completely in line with the 30% drop every single Star Wars film that's the second in a trilogy (including Empire Strikes Back) suffers from?

[sintzu]

Hollywood really is run by a bunch of out-of-touch rich elites. It'd be nice if actual left-wingers with a social conscious would make set things straight.

If anyone wants to be represented they themselves should be the ones to make the content that represents them, not force someone else to do it. Under no condition should a content creator be forced to alter his or her vision into something they don't want it to be.

[KBABZ]

Wait. What. In what world is 'superhuman strength' a gay stereotype?

I think it has to do with hot sweaty men spending time in gym changing rooms or something?

[MasenkoHA]

Hollywood really is run by a bunch of out-of-touch rich elites. It'd be nice if actual left-wingers with a social conscious would make set things straight.

If anyone wants to be represented they themselves should be the ones to make the content that represents them, not force someone else to do it. Under no condition should a content creator be forced to alter his or her vision into something they don't want it to be.

I...that’s pretty much what Julie was saying? What are you on about?

[sintzu]

Hollywood really is run by a bunch of out-of-touch rich elites. It'd be nice if actual left-wingers with a social conscious would make set things straight.

If anyone wants to be represented they themselves should be the ones to make the content that represents them, not force someone else to do it. Under no condition should a content creator be forced to alter his or her vision into something they don't want it to be.

I...that’s pretty much what Julie was saying? What are you on about?

She said that Hollywood is out of touch and that someone should tell them to be more socially inclusive. What I'm saying is that it's not our job to tell creators what to do. If someone has a story about characters A & B, they shouldn't have to include everyone from C to Z just to tick off a box.

[MasenkoHA]

If anyone wants to be represented they themselves should be the ones to make the content that represents them, not force someone else to do it. Under no condition should a content creator be forced to alter his or her vision into something they don't want it to be.

I...that’s pretty much what Julie was saying? What are you on about?

She said that Hollywood is out of touch and that someone should tell them to be more socially inclusive. What I'm saying is that it's not our job to tell creators what to do. If someone has a story about characters A & B, they shouldn't have to include everyone from C to Z just to tick off a box.

No, she asked for actual left winged people to create more content in Hollywood. You’re twisting her words around. She’s not asking creators to be forced to do it she’s asking for more creators who would do it to get involved.

[sintzu]

No, she asked for actual left winged people to create more content in Hollywood.

I guess I misunderstood, there's no need to come unglued.