Will Goku and Vegeta ever surpass their current Gogeta, and Vegetto?

[miguelnuva1]

TOP Goku and Vegeta surpassed Black arc Vegetto so it can happen.

[Hugo Boss]

Goku kinda gets close to Vegetto/Gogeta (SSGSS) when he uses the completed version of Ultra Instinct in Dragon Ball Heroes, but I never saw anything being said about a way to surpass fusions. They probably will always kept their status as ultimate techniques.

"Kinda"? MUI Goku toyed with Cunber while Vegetto needed Kaio-ken to match Cunber's full power.

Vegetto doesn’t need kaioken in the manga. And Gogeta is stronger than Jiren, who is about as strong as Goku in his completed Ultra Instinct form.

[miguelnuva1]

Goku kinda gets close to Vegetto/Gogeta (SSGSS) when he uses the completed version of Ultra Instinct in Dragon Ball Heroes, but I never saw anything being said about a way to surpass fusions. They probably will always kept their status as ultimate techniques.

"Kinda"? MUI Goku toyed with Cunber while Vegetto needed Kaio-ken to match Cunber's full power.

Vegetto doesn’t need kaioken in the manga. And Gogeta is stronger than Jiren, who is about as strong as Goku in his completed Ultra Instinct form.

Gogeta made from a Goku that can control Omen.

[SSJgogeto]

If coloring all the Super Saiyan forms golden to keep it consistent and to avoid rainbow hair is "lazy", then this is the kind of "laziness" I'm willing to see. But just for the record: no, it is not lazy at all.

Just for the record: yes, it IS lazy, but that's not really a problem. The forms are cool after all.

They're not the same thing. Rosé was stronger than Blue.

Black was stronger than Goku and Vegeta, but that's because his base power/Beyond God/whatever was stronger than theirs.

[Hugo Boss]

Gogeta made from a Goku that can control Omen.

Does he? Hmm I think he is still hasn’t that much of a control yet, given how difficult it was to achieve the form against Kamioren the second time they fought.

[miguelnuva1]

Gogeta made from a Goku that can control Omen.

Does he? Hmm I think he is still hasn’t that much of a control yet, given how difficult it was to achieve the form against Kamioren the second time they fought.

I just know he goes into it instantly we Grand Priest brought him to U6 before they go back to U7. I know what your talking about with Kamioren but does he go to complete very soon after that? He could need to subconsciously go to Omen before completely UI.

Heroes Goku and Vegeta should be at the worse somewhat stronger than the two that fought Broly however. Vegeta was constantly fighting in heroes and Goku trained with Grand Priest so Gogeta should be a lot stronger. Even if he's not which he should be we're comparing full power to what ever he needed to beat Broly which wasn't full power.

[DragonBallFoodie]

I'm sure Veku will surpass Gogeta and Vegetto someday.

[theherodjl]

Vegetto doesn’t need kaioken in the manga. And Gogeta is stronger than Jiren, who is about as strong as Goku in his completed Ultra Instinct form.

Despite continuity differences, MUI Goku pwned Cunber while Vegetto was not able to put him down.
Jiren has lacked his limits-surpassed power-up since the ToP so he's inferior to MUI Goku.

[Thanos]

I'm sure if there's another big revival on the level of 2015, we'll get new forms or upgrades that make UI look like a joke. Base Vegetto used to be the gold standard, second only to SSJ Vegetto. Now Blue Vegetto would be shrugged at by half the major fighters in Super. Although UI is a high bar to surpass, it was only six years ago Super Saiyan God was beyond anything else imaginable. God energy was its own thing and no mortal could touch it... until they could.