Why don't the movies fit into canon?

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:13 pm

It makes sense seeing as how the Bojack movie was right after the ending of the Cell saga. Trunks said he'd come back after he killed the androids, and he did. Vegeta said he'd stop fighting because his rival died and movie 9 played off that. Bojack was before Buu and Goku was still dead, thus Vegeta was the same. It makes perfect sense for that timeline.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:30 pm

Tenshinhan also said that they'd never meet again, remember? If he wouldn't go to the real world tournament, why would he go to the one in movie 9. Chi-Chi letting him fight was weird enough.

Trunks said he'd come back after defeating the androids, but don't forget the machine takes time to charge. The manga says it was three years between when he killed the androids then Cell. So for that to happen, he would have to come a few years after the Cell Games; unless he programmed the time machine to go arrive a for that tournament. I guess Vegeta fighting in movie 9 could work, but the retirement clause is in effect in movie 10.
-Rick

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:28 pm

Tenshinhan said they'd probably never see him again. Probably. Didn't Chi-Chi let him fight because they needed the money?

Mr.Piccolo wrote:I guess Vegeta fighting in movie 9 could work, but the retirement clause is in effect in movie 10.

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Movie 9: This could happen.. but Goku appearing and hitting Bojack was weird. Plus Vegeta's "retirement".

You put it there, so that's why I was commenting on it. Bulma and pretty much Trunks stated that Vegeta stopped training and lost the will to fight after Cell in movie #9. Trunks was surprised that Vegeta even tried fighting Bojack since he's apparently been so lazy in the training and fighting department. He did retire for awhile, but he probably started up again after awhile because he has nothing to do really, and because his son was reaching the age where he could train him as a Saiyan warrior or whatev.

MagicBox · Post by **MagicBox** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:52 pm

Drunken Master wrote:Tenshinhan said they'd probably never see him again. Probably. Didn't Chi-Chi let him fight because they needed the money?

Chi-Chi let Gohan fight because she wanted him to be able to take a break from his studies, as well as keep his strength up.

As for Tenshinhan showing up and competing, I just kind of assumed that maybe Chaozu wanted to see everybody again, so while they were visiting, Tenshinhan decided to get some exercise in.

I know, it's kind of a stupid theory, but that's what I like to think.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:21 am

VegettoEX wrote:WHY IT CAN'T WORK: The only thing that should be going on is that Goku should be off training with Uub. Other than that, there's nothing really conflicting with these events happening.

I thing Movie 13 could completely work into the normal world because (and I'm not sure if this was brought up in the original thread) there are a couple of years inbetween the end of Buu and the meeting of Uub.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:30 am

To be frank and on topic, there is no official canon list for any of the movies in either the anime or manga universes. There are the Daizenshuus or something in them (timeline guide?) stating movies 1 and 5 take place in the anime, whilst it's pretty obvious to almost any DBZ fan worth his salt (no Naruto jokes, I despise that dub theme with a vengeance) that movies 9 and 13 can get perfectly fine spots in said anime universe. But overall, there's no official fact or whatnot to dictate which movies can take place in the anime universe, it's open to interpretation and can be however it is from each of our own points of view. I've said a thousand...no, a million times, this is how I view the anime universe's timeline/canon:

Conan the SSJ wrote:Bardock Special.
Original DragonBall Series -- Episodes 1 - 153.
Dead Zone Movie.
DragonBall Z Series -- Episodes 1 - 117.
Trunks Special.
DragonBall Z Series -- Episodes 118 - 125 (till the point where the screen freezes as the 3 years quickly pass by).
Cooler's Revenge Movie.
DragonBall Z Series -- Episodes 125 (from the last minute of this episode when the 3 years have passed) - 194.
Bojack Unbound Movie.
DragonBall Z Series -- Episodes 195 - 288.
Wrath of the Dragon Movie.
DragonBall Z Series -- Episodes 289 - 291.
DragonBall GT Series -- Episodes 1 - 64 (right up to the final 8 minute sequence, culminating with Goku departing with Shenlong).
Goku Jr. Special.
DragonBall GT Series -- Episode 64 (The final 8 minutes, 100 years later).

How and why I view said movies in anime canon:

DBZ Movie 1: I view it more than a year before Raditz' arrival on Earth, and explain Kuririn's interaction with Gohan as him playing along with Roshi and Bulma trying to figure out who he was before Raditz showed up, that or he just plum forgot. Besides, flashbacks, references, and even a saga based on the movie are seen later in the anime (while it's "filler", this is in the confines of the anime universe, a separate entity entirely from the manga canon). One other thing: the "Sacred Water" is brought back up in the Bebi saga in GT (which I view canon), so the Garlic Jr. saga provides a backround for that.

DBZ Movie 5: Here I view movie 5 between the conclusion of Goku's driving school adventure and the 3 year blip. I hold to explanations that Gohan simply has had a haircut and off-screen grown his tail back (just as Goku had done during his world travels in original DB) though gets it cut off-screen due to Doore bringing its weakness back into the picture. The whole buildup of Goku's SSJ transformation can simply be explained as; it was for dramatic effect and also it had probably been a while since Goku last went SSJ, as he'd been seen training with Gohan and Piccolo in normal form. Plus; Cooler's later seen in GT, as my point of view dictates, is canon in the anime universe.

DBZ Movie 9: Many reasons explained already, though I basically view it between Trunks defeating his timeline's androids and when Goku and Kaio arrive at Enma's (I simply see Goku and Kaio resting at another branch area in curiosity to watch the Intergalactic Tournament). Chichi's by now given birth to infant Goten, who is most likely being looked after by the unseen Ox King (if this means anything, Ox was there just after Goten's birth in the movie 11 credits, so we should consider he'd still be close with Goten). Trunks' return to the past, he's stayed long enough for what in reality is his last trip to see Gohan and his Father, his hair naturally grows back out, and his Mother's most definitely refined his sword. Gohan's buildup of his SSJ2 transformation...well, dramatic effect as with movie 5, and as seen when Goku first went SSJ, it apparently takes some training to advance to a new super level at will after transforming (which Gohan likely hadn't done as he'd be studying and helping his pregnant mother around).

DBZ Movie 13 Part 1: Now c'mon, this can definitely be viewed by anyone in the anime canon, I myself view it taking place between the conclusion of the "filler" party in West City (episode 288) and the start of the 10 years following Buu's defeat. Buu somewhat gets a nod to being around as Bee is seen being looked after by Trunks and Bulma, so likely he's gone on a vacation of sorts with Mr. Satan (whom is also absent). I view the reason Goku and the others only get one wish from Shenlong as opposed to 2 (or 3, whatever) is because it hasn't been a full year since Buu's memories were erased, but rather in the span of 4-6 months following. I like to think Gohan and Videl are in their senior year of high-school, very soon to be graduated (though that isn't mentioned).

DBZ Movie 13 Part 2: One last thing; why Goku beats an opponent SSJ3 Gotenks and even Ultimate Gohan couldn't? I simply go with the assumption he powered up to the 100% power he spoke of wanting to use against Kid Buu, though never got a chance. When you think about it, we have no idea what "percentage" of power Goku was at in SSJ3 when he first fought fat Buu, and the same can be said for his battle against Kid Buu. Overall, it's a dramatic effect I see, and the fact Goku and Trunks team up to defeat Hildegarn and Trunks is the last person seen in the movie, it seems like a perfect prelude to the start of the final three episodes (where Trunks is first seen). Trunks' sword; obviously NOT the sword of Future Trunks', no matter what BS the Daizenshuu says of it, the final clip/flashback of Future Trunks is merely showing that the present version is following in his future counterpart's footsteps as being a great swordsman (the same sword he uses in GT).

Now regarding if any movies fit in the manga universe, I think it's safe to say none do, though perhaps the Bardock special could be an exception. I've said my piece, no movies fit in the manga universe, and it's open to interpretation with the anime; where I view four of the 17 DB/Z movies as being canon. Deal, or no Deal?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:38 am

Nice, Conan. Same reasonings I'd always held on those movies.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:38 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:DBZ Movie 13 Part 2: One last thing; why Goku beats an opponent SSJ3 Gotenks and even Ultimate Gohan couldn't?

It's Toei.

For an in-universe explanation, maybe it's the Dragon Fist itself, like Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon being able to kill Raditz.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:57 pm

The answer is that the movies were not intended, upon creation, to fit in with the story. They were made to entertain and often have cool references and mirrors to the series. The movies were made while the Manga and Anime were still very much progressing, so while they may fit in if the series stopped the moment they started producing the project, this wasn't the case, obviously.

So yeah, they weren't supposed to fit in. Thati s why they don't fit in. Simple, huh?

Movie 9 and 13 are argued over a lot, still. I can pick out a couple qualms with the continuity of #9 and a couple larger power-related ones in 13, but I generally don't care. I love the movies for entertainment value and watch them more often than I watch the series anime. And, recently, more often than I read the Manga, since I've read the entire series a few times already.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:19 pm

13 is the most obvious. There's that 10 year gap between Buu's death and Uubu's appearence that people seem to forget about. Goku would be alive, Goten and Trunks would know fusion and SSJ3, and Gohan would be in his post-Kai training clothes. It would also explain Buu's absence.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:30 pm

But said statement happens, what, four chapters before the Saiyaman arc started? I doubt it was going to end there.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:16 am

Ah! Exactly two weeks... is this necro posting? *asks Shenron to fix it*... umm... seriously, I can't decide if this is old enough to warrant a different attempt, or if it's young enough to post in right now... :'(. But since a few weirdo ideas on this subject have been in my head for the past few days... I guess I'll risk it... *decides to use DB wish for something else*.

Not much to say about DBZ movie1 other than "Silly Kuririn!"

I could pretend to try and explain movie2, but I'll hold off on that because of...

Movie3. Yesterday (Or was it today? Wait... it's past midnight... I'm so confused!)... Bleh, in the past 50 hours I looked at the arrival of Nappa and Vegeta again, and it does seem to happen after Goku is wished back. (I guess you can predict the ridiculous direction this is going?).

So, let's say:

- Goku goes home.
- Everyone takes a break.
- Nappa and Vegeta ... go sight seeing or something during a commercial break, so everyone takes the weekend off (Umm... I just found an error in my theory... but I'll get oo it later!).
- Tullece shows up... Vegeta watches from his Motel6 while eating a couple tons of dino-flesh cereal, just to see how Earth's warriors fair against a saiyan.
- After defeating Tullece... umm... Goku goes back down Snakeway for some reason (the hardest part to contend with. Maybe Goku would have gone to Kami to help oversee the restoration of the Earth from the damage of the Tree, but that must have been crazy complicated if he went all the way to Kaio-sama's planet... which is the piggest flaw I can find in this theory).

The only other contradiction is:
The DB usage.
The DB usage destroys the theory entirely.

. But since it isn't too important to the events of the movie, it might as well be a music video that they showed on a big screen to make Gohan feel better. ... In fact... that explanation can solve a lot of plotholes.

.

Now we only have things like outfits and haircuts. Blame Piccolo. Maybe Yamcha took up the Kaio gi because he watched Goku when he returned and thought it would be cool, but that outfit is being cleaned during the rest of the Saiyan saga.

Movie2 could happen in the same time period, I guess, but... bleh. It works better if you remove Goku's Kaio techniques, but it's still a mess. A creative mess, but a mess nonetheless...

Movie4: I have no clue. The only thing that this movie offers is... well... some cool things with people like Yajirobe and Chichi, and some dialogue is nice. The fact that Chichi does some dominating and Yajirobe actually gets off his butt to help Goku and Kururin makes it ok. (... have I been inconsistent with my name choice? I lack confidence... or rather... put it where it probably shouldn't be...).

Movie5: I ... don't understand why Goku not going Super immediately or using Shunkan'iido disqualifies it from canon. Goku isn't smart... maybe he hadn't figured out how to use Shunkan'iido in fighting yet, and as for transforming... umm... we can find a reason in that cookie head of his. And Piccolo was out... doing lawndrey? (I don't know how to spell that! :'().

Movie6, despite having some minor characters do stuff, doesn't seem to fit much at all.

7... umm... look at the old sticky thread?

8... I can see this fitting in the days before the Cell games, but the timespan makes it difficult (Fighting the LSSJ takes energy. And of course they all gave it to Goku. Why not Vegeta? Wasn't he in better health at the time?). So 8 is: possible, but unlikely.

9: Haven't seen it, but everyone likes to think it's possible if Trunks would cut his hair.

I suppose there is a discussion or something somewhere that establishes the strength of LSSJ? Because after watching the movie I was pretty well convinced that Broli (Ah! How many 'l's?) was pretty well near perfect/Kanzentai Cell in power, if not better (though having him above or equal to Super Kanzentai Cell seems kind of pushing it).

I haven't watched movie10. I might do that after posting. Other than possible DB usage, I I haven't heard any real contradictions (why would it be during Buu time?).

Movie11 simply doesn't fit.

Movie12 might if we forget the parts with Gohan, but that's pushing it a lot (the way it was worked in with Buu's Fury seems good).

Movie13 does not seem to contradict. Buu didn't show up because he didn't care.
What bugs me the most is Gotenks and Gohan going out like wimps against HIRUUUUUDAGARN! ... *ahem* pardon my sarcasm...
Gotenks took out Hildy form1.
Gohan dealt with the lower half.
Goku got the gold, of course.

I think Gotenks was just caught off guard.
As for Gohan... I don't know what that boy was doing... I guess all the one liners in the dub got to his head and screwed up his fighting, even before the dub was completed...

Correct me with mercy? *hides* *then proofreads*

mister yummy · Post by **mister yummy** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:29 am

In Movie 3, Yamcha's borrowing Goku's gi. His Kaio-sama gi has Kaio's symbol on the opposite side.

Movie 10's only problem is that it has Brolli. Why this is a problem, even if movie 8 doesn't fit, is beyond me. Just because the movie where a character is introduced doesn't fit doesn't mean said character can't exist. That's just faulty logic. And no wish was made on the dragonballs in this movie either. Goku's not really there anymore than he was when Gohan killed Cell.

For the record, Movie 8's in the 10 days before the Cell Games.

In my opinion, movie 12 is at least a year after Buu, with Goku and Vegita having died again to take place in the 2nd Anoyo-ichi Budokai. Vegita was sent to Hell because King Yenma was having a bad day.

peterx · Post by **peterx** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:40 am

Here is my opinion

:

Dragon Ball Z - Special 1 (Bardock)
--------------------------
Dragon Ball - 001-013
Dragon Ball - Movie 1
Dragon Ball - 014-015
Dragon Ball - Movie 2
Dragon Ball - 016-101
Dragon Ball - Movie 3
Dragon Ball - Movie 4
Dragon Ball - 102-153
--------------------------
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 1
Dragon Ball Z - 001-038
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 2
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 3
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 4
Dragon Ball Z - 039-119
Dragon Ball Z - Special 2 (Trunks)
Dragon Ball Z - 120-125
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 5
Dragon Ball Z - 126-146
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 6
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 7
Dragon Ball Z - 147-174
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 8
Dragon Ball Z - OVA Special
Dragon Ball Z - 175-194
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 9
Dragon Ball Z - 195-208
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 10
Dragon Ball Z - 209-248
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 11
Dragon Ball Z - 249-253
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 12
Dragon Ball Z - 254-288
Dragon Ball Z - Movie 13
Dragon Ball Z - 289-291
---------------------------
Dragon Ball GT - 01-64
Dragon Ball GT - Special

Probably a bit odd, but I didn't found 'better' fit!

What do you think?

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:53 am

I have two quotes: My earlier post in this thread (I'm going to edit it a bit) and Lemmy's post

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Movie 1: Everyone sees Gohan for the first time on Roshi's island. Then again there was an entire saga after the main villian so..Plus, Gohan's hidden power was a shock to Piccolo in the fight against Raditz.

Movie 2: Goku uses Kaioken and Piccolo is alive. Dragonball usage when Goku was revived not too long before. Even if there a year has passed, Goku and the others should've been way stronger; strong enough to take Wheelo and his henchmen imo.

Movie 3:If Goku came to Earth the day before and everybody fought the saiyans. Dragonballs were used though...

Movie 4: This would be if the Spirit Bomb worked on Freeza. Yamcha would probably be training or playing baseball (lol) and Ten would stay with Chaozu in the afterlife..

Movie 5: It could happen... but, uh, Vegeta would probably fight if he was on Earth. Actually this movie makes sense.

Movie 6: Goku's heart virus.. no Trunks.. that whole Android threat..etc.

Movie 7: The Androids and Goku's heart virus.

Movie 8: Broli's a joke. But, uh, Goku and Gohan not being at full power saiyan status. Surving that battle and still having trouble at the Cell Games. All I can think of for now.

Movie 9: This could happen.. but Goku appearing and hitting Bojack was weird. Plus Vegeta's "retirement".

Movie 10: The fact that Broli survived! I'm not sure if Videl saw them go SSJ (I haven't seen this movie "in a minute".)Dragonball usage.

Movie 11: Krillin should be stone and the boys should be following the others. Satan stays at the tournament until Vegeta attacks.

Movie 12: No Buu because Gotenks actually killed the Fat One. Dragonball usage and Shenron getting bitched. Gohan's location; he didn't follow through the training?! Lazy..

Movie 13: Could actually fit in. Dragonball usage. (Future)Trunks' sword (?). Also, SSJ3 Goku doing better than Mystic Gohan.

Li'l Lemmy wrote:For general reference and discussion pertaining to the movies and their placement-- or rather, misplacement-- in the canon timeline, I would suggest VegettoEX's guide (currently in progress):

DBZ Movies: Where They Fit In

It's been a while since anyone's paid attention to it, but it's a Sticky so feel free to add your own observations to the thread at any time.

-Rick

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:43 am

mister yummy wrote:For the record, Movie 8's in the 10 days before the Cell Games.

A) Goku and Gohan would've been in Super Saiyan form 24/7, especially when looking at the moment they're taking a nap while fishing during the 10 days of peace, it makes no sense for them to be in normal form as it practically sabotages their training.

B) Vegeta and Trunks would be on top of Kami's Lookout waiting out their time for training in the RoSaT, while for the rest of the days of peace, Goku would be 100% busy and focused on collecting the Dragonballs, so there would've been no occasion for Goku to go with Chichi to a school sign-up while Vegeta and Trunks are chillin' at the Cherry Blossom escapade.

C) Not only would it be "Spring" in mid May, but Mr. Satan's loud promoter is now working at a private school institute asking what Mr. Goku's hobbies are.

Of course, it's all up to our own points of view when it comes to the anime. >_>;;

Alucard · Post by **Alucard** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:25 pm

If movie 8 was canon, it would take place inside the Room of Spirit and Time, because that's where Gohan turned into a Super Saiyan for the first time, and it can't be after they went out because of what Conan said.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:30 pm

Alucard wrote:If movie 8 was canon, it would take place inside the Room of Spirit and Time, because that's where Gohan turned into a Super Saiyan for the first time, and it can't be after they went out because of what Conan said.

Dead on correct. The only time period they could have "extracted" the characters would be while Goku and Gohan are about a quarter or halfway through their training. Many people seem to have a big problem with this idea, yet they don't question Movies 2, 3, and 4 which suck our characters from across a fricken galaxy?!

I posted a really big thing about all the movies not fitting in the Staff-help requests from, but I fear it won't get many reads so I'm going to quote it here.

Duo wrote:I'm going to do the opposite of what everyone else is doing and try to pose every single reason why the movies do not fit, particularly with the ones people tend to think fit.

Movie 1 -
- Goku uses the Nyoi-bo, which should very much still be connecting Karin-sen'nin's tower with Kami-sama's palace.
- The Dragonball's get used, which means it would have to be over a year before Raditz arrival. Enough time for them to turn back into Dragonball's, and for Goku to casually find one and put it on Gohan's hat again.
- Piccolo teams up with Goku, which would severely reduce the shock of it happening against Raditz.
- KURIRIN!!! He knows Gohan and doesn't even question him being there.

Movie 2 -
- Piccolo should be dead.
- Goku should be in the hospital OR Gohan and Kuririn should be on Planet Namek, with Gohan's hair cut.
- Bulma should be rebuilding the spaceship / learning the Namek Language / travelling to Namek / being on Namek / crab hunting.

Movie 3 -
- Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaozu should be dead.
- Piccolo, Gohan, Kuririn, and Goku should be on Planet Namek.
- Goku, himself, should be in the middle of his fight with Freeza. The only time we see him use the Kaio-ken x10 in the series is against Freeza, and he uses it in the movie, but by the time the Freeza fight concludes, Goku has very much become the Super Saiyan.
- If we flashed forward to when all these characters were on Earth again, we have several problems. Gohan should be much stronger than 10,000 and wearing armor, and be a year and a half older with completely different hair, and Goku should be able to transform and control the Sulper Saiyan.
- Gohan is able to remain a Great Ape without a (simulated) full moon. Tell me, then, why did Goku instantly revert at the 21'st Tenka'ichi Budokai when Muten-Roshi destroyed the moon? As well as the similar situation with Gohan and Piccolo?
- How is it that a character as BAMF as Tullece could be destroyed so easily? Impossible! I say...I say...

Movie 4 -
- Gohan, Kuririn, Piccolo, and Goku should be on Namek. If we flash forward to when they are back on Earth, Gohan should be a year and a half older, have longer hair, and probably be wearing armor. Also, Goku would have full control over the Super Saiyan.
- The "false Super Saiyan" itself...

Movie 5 (these are to point out the flaws with the idea that it took place after Son Goku returned to Earth) -
- Gohan should be a year and a half older and arguably much stronger than he is shown to be (and wearing armor).
- Goku should have no problem turning Super Saiyan, instead of being pushed so far to go through the same thing he did on Namek.
- This is more arguable, but where the crap is Vegeta, Tenshinhan, and various others? They have plenty of time to go try to figure out why someone with Freeza's Ki is suddenly on Earth. This ties in with...
- The fact that they didn't notice Cooler coming to Earth. They noticed Freeza and King Cold hours before they even arrived, but not Cooler? He's right in the same strength arena as his brother and father. I could bring this argument into many of the other movies as well, but I'll refrain.

Movie 6 -
- Why bother?

Movie 7 -
- There is no place in the events of the Artifial Human arc where this could occur.
- If Dr. Gero's computer made the Artificial Humans after Dr. Gero was killed, how come they didn't have newer numbers? #13, #14, and #15 would have been made by Dr. Gero before he continued onto the ones we see in the series.

Movie 8 (Pre-RoSaT side) -
- How is Gohan a Super Saiyan?
- How does Trunks have long hair?
- How are they not in the middle of fighting a bunch of Artificially made monsters (like Cell)?

Movie 8 (Post-RoSaT side) -
- Goku and Gohan, by all accounts, have to be Super Saiyan all of the time. I know the "Chichi frying pan" excuse comes up...but be serious, that doesn't work at all. Whatsoever. There is no good reason.
- Trunks and Vegeta, most likely, should be using higher levels of Super Saiyan. This could just be an animation shortcoming, though.
- There really isn't any window of time during the 10 days prior to the Cell Game for this to occur. Try reading it all carefully.

Movie 9 -
- Trunks is the flaw. In the series, we see him about to return from his time which is why these events would occur. But when we see him in the series, he has short hair and is wearing Saiyan armor. Also, he has had three years to train and refine his skills, so he should certainly be stronger than Vegeta.
- I have problems with Goku teleporting into the real world, even if for a second, but I won't really get into it.

Movie 10 -
- There's no logical window of time for this to occur. Why are Trunks and Goten running around with Videl gathering Dragonballs? The entire time leading up to the Tournament they were, oddly enough, TRAINING.
- It's arguable that Gohan should have been able to use Ssj2, but he did not. I would think that given how dire the circumstances got near the end, he would have been able to summon up the power.

Movie 11 -
- Do I really have to get into this one?

Movie 12 -
- LOL

Movie 13 -
- This one has the fewest flaws. The big one is that Goku fells an opponent Gohan could not, and at that point Gohan is arguably several times stronger than Goku even at his very best. Of course, Goku only beats Hildegarn because he exploits his weakness, which is discovered watching other people losing. Even Gohan had figured it out, he just didn't have the strength left to execute an attack. Wait...now I'm arguing in favor of the movie...

I can forgive the lack of Boo and Mr. Satan, so really, Movie 13 is the only one I accept into the realm of Anime Canon. Conan would be proud of me.

Edit: This is, by no means, ANY indication that I dislike any of the movies at all whatsoever. I love the movies and I watch them much more often than the series DVD's. I am just boggled by why people want to detract from them by trying to make them something they are not, which is a canonical part of the central story. Let them be what they are! Fun side-stories that dont' really fit!

Everyone should just think of Path to Power or Mystical Adventure.

Oh, and...

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GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:45 pm

Come on, Duo. You sure you're not hiding your true potential? I can't believe there are actually people on these forums who signed up August of this year and have over 1,100 posts.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:49 pm

GI_Judd2287 wrote:Come on, Duo. You sure you're not hiding your true potential? I can't believe there are actually people on these forums who signed up August of this year and have over 1,100 posts.

Probably talking about me..not that its a good thing. I post way too much here. The other day, it said I post an average of 10 a day..

After the dub project, I plan on having 1337 posts and getting myself banned leaving behind my legacy of pointless posts and bad grammar in this forum. The end.
-Rick