Your ideal Dragon Ball sequel.

[pepd]

DB sequel: DBS (manga) but slower paced and with a lot more slice-of-life, or maybe just some, like in the anime, but with a humor and slice-of-life spin-off like Neko Majin Z
Spin-off: Neko Majin Z. Showing Z past and him getting to know all Dragon Ball characters in their individual lifes, training with Goku and the others, facing some opponents, visiting old locations, etc. Gag, slice-of-life and some combat.
With more Toriyama involvement and with a better understanding of Toriyama style and humor, not just obvious imitations or recycling of old DB like in DBS anime and GT

[MyVisionity]

I actually enjoy shows that continue on "in name only" or replace the lead characters. It's almost like the series itself transcends the characters and evolves into something bigger altogether. It also makes things fresh by inserting new lead characters and opening up new story opportunities. The quality just depends on the strength of the writers. The X-Files could have improved post-Mulder with better writers. If Supernatural wanted to continue on without Sam/Dean it totally could. It just takes skill.

Dragon Ball could do the same. In fact it would probably be even more beneficial for DB, since the original series already concluded and you can only get so much mileage out of dead things. Better to give it all-new life I say.

[ABED]

I actually enjoy shows that continue on "in name only" or replace the lead characters. It's almost like the series itself transcends the characters and evolves into something bigger altogether. It also makes things fresh by inserting new lead characters and opening up new story opportunities. The quality just depends on the strength of the writers. The X-Files could have improved post-Mulder with better writers. If Supernatural wanted to continue on without Sam/Dean it totally could. It just takes skill.

Dragon Ball could do the same. In fact it would probably be even more beneficial for DB, since the original series already concluded and you can only get so much mileage out of dead things. Better to give it all-new life I say.

It's not always about skill or even just the writing. It's timing and lightning in a bottle. Screw "transcending". It's about the story and chemistry, not the IP. The characters ARE the series. I'm okay with Star Wars continuing but nothing will reach the dramatic heights of the original trilogy.

What you're talking about isn't giving it new life, it's playing Weekend at Bernie's.

[Matches Malone]

I'm okay with Star Wars continuing but nothing will reach the dramatic heights of the original trilogy.

Although I don't know much about Star Wars, I like the idea of how it's constantly doing different things with different characters across the various media products it has.

[MyVisionity]

I guess that for me a show or series doesn't necessarily equal its story/characters. Some shows might, others may not.

Is Dragon Ball a story or is it a series that tells a story? That's the question. If it's only a series telling a story, then it becomes possible for it to tell another story.

Comic books have played around with this idea as well. I always liked how Ben Reilly took over as Spider-Man during the Clone Saga because it felt like a new beginning.

[WittyUsername]

There have been plenty of franchises that have managed to continue on without the original lead characters. I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to Dragon Ball becoming one of those franchises, but it probably should be kept in mind that Toriyama once intended to do exactly that after the Cell arc, before he got cold feet and decided to bring back Goku.

[ABED]

There have been plenty of franchises that have managed to continue on without the original lead characters. I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to Dragon Ball becoming one of those franchises, but it probably should be kept in mind that Toriyama once intended to do exactly that after the Cell arc, before he got cold feet and decided to bring back Goku.

How many for the better?

Although I don't know much about Star Wars, I like the idea of how it's constantly doing different things with different characters across the various media products it has.

It's about war and there are many variations on that theme.

Comic books have played around with this idea as well. I always liked how Ben Reilly took over as Spider-Man during the Clone Saga because it felt like a new beginning.

The Clone Saga is pretty universally hated.

[Matches Malone]

Toriyama once intended to do exactly that after the Cell arc, before he got cold feet and decided to bring back Goku.

It had to do with him not feeling Gohan being up to the task of taking over, and he was right for the most part. I just don't see the point of replacing your lead character that late in the story. It'd make sense if the Buu arc was the start of a new series, but not as the final part of Goku's. There's also the fact that concluding Vegeta's story wouldn't be possible without Goku, as he's who Vegeta's obsession has revolved around from day one.

[WittyUsername]

There have been plenty of franchises that have managed to continue on without the original lead characters. I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to Dragon Ball becoming one of those franchises, but it probably should be kept in mind that Toriyama once intended to do exactly that after the Cell arc, before he got cold feet and decided to bring back Goku.

How many for the better?

Off the top of my head, there’s Star Trek. TNG and DS9 are considered by many to be better than the original series. Besides that, I guess a lot of people also love Batman Beyond, even though I personally don’t care for it. Oh, and I suppose we’ll have to wait and see how the upcoming Ghostbusters movie turns out.

[ABED]

Anything other than Star Trek? Maybe that's the only one. I wouldn't know because Trek bores me to tears.

Oh, and I suppose we’ll have to wait and see how the upcoming Ghostbusters movie turns out.

Never gonna happen. It might be good but Ghostbusters was original with three of the best comedic actors ever working at the top of their game. Even 2 pales in comparison. Again, it's lightning in a bottle.

These continuations may be fine but they aren't as good as the originals

[WittyUsername]

Never gonna happen. It might be good but Ghostbusters was original with three of the best comedic actors ever working at the top of their game. Even 2 pales in comparison. Again, it's lightning in a bottle.

These continuations may be fine but they aren't as good as the originals

I definitely doubt that the movie will be as good as the original, and it certainly won’t be as iconic, but I don’t think it’s a requirement for continuations with new characters to be better than their predecessors. Above all else, they should be able to stand on their own enough to justify their existence, which is something the Star Wars sequel trilogy ultimately failed to do.

[MyVisionity]

Comic books have played around with this idea as well. I always liked how Ben Reilly took over as Spider-Man during the Clone Saga because it felt like a new beginning.

The Clone Saga is pretty universally hated.

Yes but that doesn't change the fact that they were able to switch out the main character and supporting cast for new ones. In many ways it could have been a fresh start. It was workable. The problem is it only lasted for a small number of issues and so we don't know how successful it might have been had it continued.

That's what happens with a lot of series. They move on to new characters and stories but then they end prematurely, so we never get to see their full potential.

[Matches Malone]

I think one way a next gen show can work is by having the old cast take on students and train them, which will keep the familiar faces around while also bringing new ones to the front. Goku would train Uub as seen in EOZ, Vegeta would train Trunks to be more like his future counterpart, Gohan would train Goten to help him reach his potential, and Piccolo would take Pan under his watch.

The story can initially start out with Goten, Trunks, Pan, and Uub as the main cast, but expand later on. Maybe Krillin trains Maron to be a martial artist like him. We might see someone who's training under Tien, Buu could somehow have a kid like in Online, and so on. With that said, the old guard won't be slacking off either, as they will have enhanced their skills and grown in power. There'd be times when situations come up that are out of the next gen's league, resulting in one of the masters showing them how it's done.

I don’t think it’s a requirement for continuations with new characters to be better than their predecessors. Above all else, they should be able to stand on their own enough to justify their existence.

This exactly. No one's asking for a sequel that's better than the original manga, as that's simply not going to happen. However, that doesn't mean we can't get something different that can stand on its own and complement the original. Boruto for example may not be as good as Naruto or Shippuden, but it's found an audience and is now its own thing. I think a next gen DB show that's similar, as mentioned above, can also be successful.

[ABED]

Comic books have played around with this idea as well. I always liked how Ben Reilly took over as Spider-Man during the Clone Saga because it felt like a new beginning.

The Clone Saga is pretty universally hated.

Yes but that doesn't change the fact that they were able to switch out the main character and supporting cast for new ones. In many ways it could have been a fresh start. It was workable. The problem is it only lasted for a small number of issues and so we don't know how successful it might have been had it continued.

That's what happens with a lot of series. They move on to new characters and stories but then they end prematurely, so we never get to see their full potential.

Sure in the sense that they went through with a mistake, did the story, it didn't go well, and had to go back to the original. It wasn't workable. The problem wasn't the number of issues. They didn't continue because no one liked it

As for the whole "no one's asking for a new series to be as good as the old one..." I am. Why settle for an inferior story.

I have zero interest in a next gen story. All I'd be thinking is "why aren't we following the story from the older generation's POV?"

[Matches Malone]

As for the whole "no one's asking for a new series to be as good as the old one..." I am. Why settle for an inferior story.

I have zero interest in a next gen story. All I'd be thinking is "why aren't we following the story from the older generation's POV.

The original manga, Z's 2 TV specials, & the BOG movie are a 10/10 story for me, so expecting that kind of quality isn't realistic. If I were to rate GT, I'd give it a 4/10, with the post BOG stories averaging out at a 6/10. I think a next gen show if done right, can easily be an 8/10. 8 may not be as good as 10, but I'd be more than happy with it, especially compared to what we have now.

We got 2 sequels that followed the older generation's POV and apart from BOG, the results have been mixed to say the least, so why not try something new ? Keep in mind that the older faces will be very involved within the story, especially with training the next gen. There can be times when the next gen just aren't up to the task, allowing the masters to remind the viewers why they're the masters.

[ABED]

As for the whole "no one's asking for a new series to be as good as the old one..." I am. Why settle for an inferior story.

I have zero interest in a next gen story. All I'd be thinking is "why aren't we following the story from the older generation's POV.

The original manga, Z's 2 TV specials, & the BOG movie are a 10/10 story for me, so expecting that kind of quality isn't realistic. If I were to rate GT, I'd give it a 4/10, with the post BOG stories averaging out at a 6/10. I think a next gen show if done right, can easily be an 8/10. 8 may not be as good as 10, but I'd be more than happy with it, especially compared to what we have now.

We got 2 sequels that followed the older generation's POV and apart from BOG, the results have been mixed to say the least, so why not try something new ? Keep in mind that the older faces will be very involved within the story, especially with training the next gen. There can be times when the next gen just aren't up to the task, allowing the masters to remind the viewers why they're the masters.

Michael Jackson had to follow "Thriller". There's practically no way he was going to top it but he attempted it.

Why not try something new? Seeing characters in a different stage of their lives is new. Seeing the younger generation isn't new. It's what much of the original series was about for a while. Whenever I watch Young Justice I can't help but wonder what the Justice League is up to

[WittyUsername]

As for the whole "no one's asking for a new series to be as good as the old one..." I am. Why settle for an inferior story.

I have zero interest in a next gen story. All I'd be thinking is "why aren't we following the story from the older generation's POV.

The original manga, Z's 2 TV specials, & the BOG movie are a 10/10 story for me, so expecting that kind of quality isn't realistic. If I were to rate GT, I'd give it a 4/10, with the post BOG stories averaging out at a 6/10. I think a next gen show if done right, can easily be an 8/10. 8 may not be as good as 10, but I'd be more than happy with it, especially compared to what we have now.

We got 2 sequels that followed the older generation's POV and apart from BOG, the results have been mixed to say the least, so why not try something new ? Keep in mind that the older faces will be very involved within the story, especially with training the next gen. There can be times when the next gen just aren't up to the task, allowing the masters to remind the viewers why they're the masters.

Michael Jackson had to follow "Thriller". There's practically no way he was going to top it but he attempted it.

Why not try something new? Seeing characters in a different stage of their lives is new. Seeing the younger generation isn't new. It's what much of the original series was about for a while. Whenever I watch Young Justice I can't help but wonder what the Justice League is up to

The thing is, we’re really not seeing the characters in a different stage of their lives, because Super is a midquel that insists on maintaining a certain status quo. Characters aren’t even allowed to visibly age.

[ABED]

The thread was "your idea Dragon Ball sequel". Even if we limit it to the interim years I damn sure don't want to follow the story from the next gen.

[MyVisionity]

Just because something doesn't take off immediately don't mean it's a mistake. Sometimes all the right ingredients are there but it takes time for readers/viewers to realize it. Like with Spider-Ben. With enough time, many could have taken a liking to it. Or maybe some were just too fixated on Parker to give it a chance.

If audiences are thinking too much about what the previous generation are doing in a next gen DB series, then maybe the previous generation should be ditched entirely. At least out of sight, if not out of mind. Perhaps the only things that should carry over into a sequel are the Dragon Balls themselves and the martial arts. No descendants of the old cast or anything like that.

[ABED]

Just because something doesn't take off immediately don't mean it's a mistake. Sometimes all the right ingredients are there but it takes time for readers/viewers to realize it. Like with Spider-Ben. With enough time, many could have taken a liking to it. Or maybe some were just too fixated on Parker to give it a chance.

If audiences are thinking too much about what the previous generation are doing in a next gen DB series, then maybe the previous generation should be ditched entirely. At least out of sight, if not out of mind. Perhaps the only things that should carry over into a sequel are the Dragon Balls themselves and the martial arts. No descendants of the old cast or anything like that.

It wasn't that it didn't take off it's that it was awful. Sure, they could have taken a liking to him but it could have just as easily gotten worse and the length would'v compounded the issue. Also it was a long story arc. It lasted years

The DB's are just McGuffins.

The previous generation will not be out of mind.