How many more Mystic Gohan absorptions would it take for Buuhan to beat SSJ3 Vegito?

[miguelnuva1]

Abilities aren't transformations. What you're arguing right now is the equivalent of saying a fusion between Hercule and Freeza would be able to go Golden.

A transformation is an ability. Techniques and transformations are both abilities. Also if Vegito can go Ssj why cant he go ssj3.

Also where is the proof that if Frieza fused his fusion couldn't use Golden.

We also have seen fusions can later use the god forms.

You're being disingenuous by arguing a technique anyone can learn, for example the Kamehameha, is the same as a transformation unique to a certain race.

We've never seen a fusion in the series use a unique transformation only one of the fusees had. Purely headcanon to insinuate Vegerot could use SS3, just like how it's purely headcanon to suggest a fusion of Freeza and Hercule could go Golden.

The difference is Gogeta / Vegerot are the fusions of a Vegeta and Goku who both have SSB. Goku's the only one with the transformation SS3.

That's a head canon on your part as well. Here's what we are shown in the series.

1. A fusion can use forms that the fuses cant. Gotenks can go ss3 and ss2 according to the daiz.

2. Vegito can go ss just fine and has the big bang attack as well as the kamehameha in additional to being able to fuse Goku and Vegeta's attacks. The fusions have access to God forms as well. Vegito also used IT.

Vegito did not use ssj3 but nothing says he couldn't do it and we have more evidence that he could than we have that he can't.

We also have no proof that a Frieza fusion wouldn't be able to go Golden or not.

[God]

A transformation is an ability. Techniques and transformations are both abilities. Also if Vegito can go Ssj why cant he go ssj3.

Also where is the proof that if Frieza fused his fusion couldn't use Golden.

We also have seen fusions can later use the god forms.

You're being disingenuous by arguing a technique anyone can learn, for example the Kamehameha, is the same as a transformation unique to a certain race.

We've never seen a fusion in the series use a unique transformation only one of the fusees had. Purely headcanon to insinuate Vegerot could use SS3, just like how it's purely headcanon to suggest a fusion of Freeza and Hercule could go Golden.

The difference is Gogeta / Vegerot are the fusions of a Vegeta and Goku who both have SSB. Goku's the only one with the transformation SS3.

That's a head canon on your part as well. Here's what we are shown in the series.

1. A fusion can use forms that the fuses cant. Gotenks can go ss3 and ss2 according to the daiz.

2. Vegito can go ss just fine and has the big bang attack as well as the kamehameha in additional to being able to fuse Goku and Vegeta's attacks. The fusions have access to God forms as well. Vegito also used IT.

Vegito did not use ssj3 but nothing says he couldn't do it and we have more evidence that he could than we have that he can't.

We also have no proof that a Frieza fusion wouldn't be able to go Golden or not.

If you believe that's headcanon, you don't know what headcanon is then.

1. Goten and Trunks trained as Gotenks in the RoSaT to learn those forms; they didn't just fuse and have them like you're insinuating Vegerot does despite him never going SS3 ever.

2. Vegerot never used IT, and you arguing techniques like the Kamehameha are no different from SS3 is, as I already told you, a false equivalency. Anyone can learn the Kamehameha, not everyone can just go SS3.

"Vegerot can go SS3 because nothing says he can't, ignore the fact he never did so"
Are you serious right now? What a terrible argument and a pitiful appeal to ignorance.

[miguelnuva1]

You're being disingenuous by arguing a technique anyone can learn, for example the Kamehameha, is the same as a transformation unique to a certain race.

We've never seen a fusion in the series use a unique transformation only one of the fusees had. Purely headcanon to insinuate Vegerot could use SS3, just like how it's purely headcanon to suggest a fusion of Freeza and Hercule could go Golden.

The difference is Gogeta / Vegerot are the fusions of a Vegeta and Goku who both have SSB. Goku's the only one with the transformation SS3.

That's a head canon on your part as well. Here's what we are shown in the series.

1. A fusion can use forms that the fuses cant. Gotenks can go ss3 and ss2 according to the daiz.

2. Vegito can go ss just fine and has the big bang attack as well as the kamehameha in additional to being able to fuse Goku and Vegeta's attacks. The fusions have access to God forms as well. Vegito also used IT.

Vegito did not use ssj3 but nothing says he couldn't do it and we have more evidence that he could than we have that he can't.

We also have no proof that a Frieza fusion wouldn't be able to go Golden or not.

If you believe that's headcanon, you don't know what headcanon is then.

1. Goten and Trunks trained as Gotenks in the RoSaT to learn those forms; they didn't just fuse and have them like you're insinuating Vegerot does despite him never going SS3 ever.

2. Vegerot never used IT, and you arguing techniques like the Kamehameha are no different from SS3 is, as I already told you, a false equivalency. Anyone can learn the Kamehameha, not everyone can just go SS3.

"Vegerot can go SS3 because nothing says he can't, ignore the fact he never did so"
Are you serious right now? What a terrible argument and a pitiful appeal to ignorance.

I'll just agree to disagree then have fun. Vegito also used instantaneous movement in the anime just a heads up.

My last response however. Vegito did not have time to learn the Kamehameha or SS on his own he inherited the transformation from his fusses and the attacks from his fusses. Vegito inheriting transformations should be no different than inheriting techniques is what I'm arguing.

I never said Gotenks had those forms from the start I said fusions can go higher than their fusees.

And I'll finish with this unless you have something from the manga, the anime, Toriyama or a guidebook that is your headcanon Vegito can't go ssj3. All we are shown is he didn't need to.

[God]

That's a head canon on your part as well. Here's what we are shown in the series.

1. A fusion can use forms that the fuses cant. Gotenks can go ss3 and ss2 according to the daiz.

2. Vegito can go ss just fine and has the big bang attack as well as the kamehameha in additional to being able to fuse Goku and Vegeta's attacks. The fusions have access to God forms as well. Vegito also used IT.

Vegito did not use ssj3 but nothing says he couldn't do it and we have more evidence that he could than we have that he can't.

We also have no proof that a Frieza fusion wouldn't be able to go Golden or not.

If you believe that's headcanon, you don't know what headcanon is then.

1. Goten and Trunks trained as Gotenks in the RoSaT to learn those forms; they didn't just fuse and have them like you're insinuating Vegerot does despite him never going SS3 ever.

2. Vegerot never used IT, and you arguing techniques like the Kamehameha are no different from SS3 is, as I already told you, a false equivalency. Anyone can learn the Kamehameha, not everyone can just go SS3.

"Vegerot can go SS3 because nothing says he can't, ignore the fact he never did so"
Are you serious right now? What a terrible argument and a pitiful appeal to ignorance.

I'll just agree to disagree then have fun. Vegito also used instantaneous movement in the anime just a heads up.

My last response however. Vegito did not have time to learn the Kamehameha or SS on his own he inherited the transformation from his fusses and the attacks from his fusses. Vegito inheriting transformations should be no different than inheriting techniques is what I'm arguing.

I never said Gotenks had those forms from the start I said fusions can go higher than their fusees.

And I'll finish with this unless you have something from the manga, the anime, Toriyama or a guidebook that is your headcanon Vegito can't go ssj3. All we are shown is he didn't need to.

The anime is relevant how? The manga is the only thing that's canon. What are you going to argue next, Vegerot went this form?


Also, since you're running away and doubled down on all of your claims, I'll just accept your concession. Learn to make better arguments before you try debating me with your unsubstantiated headcanons.

[miguelnuva1]

If you believe that's headcanon, you don't know what headcanon is then.

1. Goten and Trunks trained as Gotenks in the RoSaT to learn those forms; they didn't just fuse and have them like you're insinuating Vegerot does despite him never going SS3 ever.

2. Vegerot never used IT, and you arguing techniques like the Kamehameha are no different from SS3 is, as I already told you, a false equivalency. Anyone can learn the Kamehameha, not everyone can just go SS3.

"Vegerot can go SS3 because nothing says he can't, ignore the fact he never did so"
Are you serious right now? What a terrible argument and a pitiful appeal to ignorance.

I'll just agree to disagree then have fun. Vegito also used instantaneous movement in the anime just a heads up.

My last response however. Vegito did not have time to learn the Kamehameha or SS on his own he inherited the transformation from his fusses and the attacks from his fusses. Vegito inheriting transformations should be no different than inheriting techniques is what I'm arguing.

I never said Gotenks had those forms from the start I said fusions can go higher than their fusees.

And I'll finish with this unless you have something from the manga, the anime, Toriyama or a guidebook that is your headcanon Vegito can't go ssj3. All we are shown is he didn't need to.

The anime is relevant how? The manga is the only thing that's canon. What are you going to argue next, Vegerot went this form?


Also, since you're running away and doubled down on all of your claims, I'll just accept your concession. Learn to make better arguments before you try debating me with your unsubstantiated headcanons.

I'm not debating you nor an I running away. I'm agreeing to disagree. Vegito also didnt go a buff form Buu went Inside him and made him buff.

Also last question how many times gravity did Vegeta train in during the training for the Androids.

[God]

Still waiting for evidence to substantiate your claim that Vegerot could go SS3 (despite not even doing so in non-canon material). Agreeing to disagree is just your way of saying you have nothing and are just too stubborn to admit you're wrong and your belief is unsubstantiated.

[Grimlock]

We've never seen a fusion in the series use a unique transformation only one of the fusees had.

No, we saw more than that. We see a fused character transform into a form in which both the fusees don't have. Both Goten and Trunks are weaker than Goku and Vegeta, they don't have Super Saiyan 3, yet Gotenks is strong enough to reach it. If Gotenks has it, obviously Gogeta and Vegetto do. The requirement for achieving Super Saiyan 3, as far as we can tell, is pure strength. And since the fusion multiplies one fusee's power level by the other, that's what makes possible the fused character to transform into it, not the raw power of the fusees or if one of the fusees has the form or not.


But yeah, nevermind logic. Gogeta and Vegetto, having the power they have, they simply can't go Super Saiyan 3 because "we have not seen them using it".

[Koitsukai]

We've never seen a fusion in the series use a unique transformation only one of the fusees had.

No, we saw more than that. We see a fused character transform into a form in which both the fusees don't have. Both Goten and Trunks are weaker than Goku and Vegeta, they don't have Super Saiyan 3, yet Gotenks is strong enough to reach it. If Gotenks has it, obviously Gogeta and Vegetto do. The requirement for achieving Super Saiyan 3, as far as we can tell, is pure strength. And since the fusion multiplies one fusee's power level by the other, that's what makes possible the fused character to transform into it, not the raw power of the fusees or if one of the fusees has the form or not.


But yeah, nevermind logic. Gogeta and Vegetto, having the power they have, they simply can't go Super Saiyan 3 because "we have not seen them using it".

Yeah, what Grim said. Gotenks, with 8 year old fusees with just SS can go SS3, but the adult experienced Vegerot(lol), even with a fusee who has it, can't turn into the flawed SS3 form because... he didn't use it against a creature they could best just as SS. Ok...

[Dbzfan94]

Still waiting for evidence to substantiate your claim that Vegerot could go SS3 (despite not even doing so in non-canon material). Agreeing to disagree is just your way of saying you have nothing and are just too stubborn to admit you're wrong and your belief is unsubstantiated.

You're one to talk about being stubborn. You just keep putting your fingers in your ears when someone points out a flaw in your point.

[p-hyvo]

Like 500 lmao. Base vegeth >>mystic gohan