Dr Slump and original Dragon Ball in top 10 list for most wanted reboot shows

[Kid Buu]

I was super happy to see Kimagure Orange Road on that list!











...Until I remembered Madoka is gone...RIP Hiromi Tsuru.

Dunno if they can recapture the 80s feel of it. Soundtrack still incredible to this day.

[Mike XL]

I'd like a spin off show more than a reboot. I think DB and DBZ have aged just fine. I'd prefer either a continuation of Super or a spin off show, maybe something focusing on the Saiyans and the Freeza empire pre Dragon Ball.

[Super Sonic]

7 - St Seiya

Already happened, though I need to watch past the second episode and see girl Andromeda Shun.

Yes, and not to mention the '97 Slump remake series is lesser known when compared the original '81-'86 anime. I've heard it didn't do that well in ratings.

That's how it is especially when there is more than one remake. Lot of folks remember the original Jonny Quest, and Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, but not the 80s episodes, which I never saw, and heard didn't last as long as the other two. Similarly, there's a late 70s Mickey Mouse Club that's kinda forgotten compared to what was before and after it.

[dougo13]

But I wonder if the Japanese themselves will try to do any of these (or others) as live action series? I always wonder if the sole reason many series from the 60s and 70s got remade in the 70s and 80s was because it was cheaper to do in animation. Akakage, Rainbowman, GeGeGe no Kitaro, Akuma kun, Moonlight Mask, etc. all started out as live action series. But budgets have to be fairly high to continue to do that and outfits like Toei might have been reluctant to spend any money. We'll probably never know as the production people on those old series have mostly passed away now. Some series like Orange Road could be adapted to live action quite readily. But I have bad vibes for the One Piece live action series they want to do over here...

[dougo13]

7 - St Seiya

Already happened, though I need to watch past the second episode and see girl Andromeda Shun.

Yes, and not to mention the '97 Slump remake series is lesser known when compared the original '81-'86 anime. I've heard it didn't do that well in ratings.

That's how it is especially when there is more than one remake. Lot of folks remember the original Jonny Quest, and Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, but not the 80s episodes, which I never saw, and heard didn't last as long as the other two. Similarly, there's a late 70s Mickey Mouse Club that's kinda forgotten compared to what was before and after it.

The problem with the 80s episodes of things like Space Ghost was the producers had to adhere to new rules set up by Action For Children's Television and other watchdog groups which did not exist in the 60s versions of the shows. As well, they did not have the original production people working on the revamp. The episodes are okay for their time but pale in comparison to what came out of the 1960s...

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

7 - St Seiya

Already happened, though I need to watch past the second episode and see girl Andromeda Shun.

Yes, and not to mention the '97 Slump remake series is lesser known when compared the original '81-'86 anime. I've heard it didn't do that well in ratings.

That's how it is especially when there is more than one remake. Lot of folks remember the original Jonny Quest, and Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, but not the 80s episodes, which I never saw, and heard didn't last as long as the other two. Similarly, there's a late 70s Mickey Mouse Club that's kinda forgotten compared to what was before and after it.

Indeed, and i believe the same can be said to some extent for Speed Racer because the original '60s series is the one most people remember the property for, while the subsequent New Adventures series from 1993 and short lived Speed Racer X dub adapted from the 1997 Mach GoGoGo remake anime have more or less faded into near total obscurity and same with the Next Generation series which came out soon after after the flopped Wachowski Bros live action film adaptation that same year in 2008. Generally speaking, spinoffs or remakes of popular series like the aforementioned tend to be much less regarded and fondly remembered over time than the originals that preceded them.

[Melee_Sovereign]

I'd be happy with a Dragon Ball reboot 10 or 15 years from now. Not now though.

[Aim]

Follow the manga more faithfully, have movie-quality animation, use new actors with no obligation to sound like their predecessors, take a mulligan on the designs of Mr Popo and Staff Officer Black, and rework Roshi a bit.

Masako Nozawa is Son Goku. There's already someone who closely mimics her and will only continue to improve in the future, I don't believe changing VA's will be of any benefit to the franchise.

Other than that I agree on everything. I must say, I'd rather preserve Dragon Ball as it is, even if Muten Roshi does some terrible shit and is downright a massive prick towards women. I feel like the series could be redone, but only in art style keeping consistent with Shintani, or even better, if Toriyama was able to do a few designs. As much as I hate some of Roshi's behaviour sometimes, I think we've gotten to a stage now where it wouldn't be unreasonable to put a disclaimer before the show starts, and target the said show to older teens and above.

[Robo4900]

Masako Nozawa is Son Goku. There's already someone who closely mimics her and will only continue to improve in the future, I don't believe changing VA's will be of any benefit to the franchise.

Toei should call on Nozawa to voice Goku for as long as she's still willing to do it.

But, in a decade or two, when rebooting starts to look good, I don't think using a cast entirely constructed of impressionists of a bunch of dead people is such a good idea. Arguably a little disrespectful too?...
Batman is an icon of western pop culture, but many different actors have played him, and each were allowed to give their own take, not just forced to be as close as possible to the first guy to play the part. Each actor was respected enough both to let them play it their way, and to let whoever follows them do something different.

I must say, I'd rather preserve Dragon Ball as it is, even if Muten Roshi does some terrible shit and is downright a massive prick towards women. [...] As much as I hate some of Roshi's behaviour sometimes, I think we've gotten to a stage now where it wouldn't be unreasonable to put a disclaimer before the show starts, and target the said show to older teens and above.

It's very, very not okay for one of the core characters in this franchise to constantly harass every woman he's around, so I disagree, bigtime. Wall-to-wall sexual assault and harassment isn't why any of us like Dragon Ball. For 99% of us, it's something we have to put up with now and then so we can get to the parts we do enjoy, so why leave that in? It's awful.

As for "Preserving Dragon Ball as it is" in general... No offense, but to anyone who really thinks that, a reboot is not for you, because no reboot would ever "Preserve Dragon Ball as it is". If you want that, you go back and watch the original anime, read the original manga, watch the original movies, etc. That's "Dragon Ball as it is". A new work shouldn't be forced to be as similar as possible to an earlier one just because it's in the same franchise. If you're doing a new work, goal #1 is to make it the best version of itself you can possibly make it. And in a reboot of Dragon Ball, the goal would be to make the best possible adaptation of the original manga for the audience of its day. If you ask me, even in the '80s, Roshi's behaviour was not acceptable, and it's only become worse with time, as more people have come to realise this. So, in trying to be the best possible version of itself, a new adaptation of Dragon Ball's manga should have the freedom to do away with certain major flaws in the work, such as Roshi being an awful, sexist pig.

Putting a disclaimer upfront is okay for something from a long time ago, made with a culture that wasn't as accepting as today... But a work TODAY doing that? I'm sorry, but that would just be utter bullshit. Next you're gonna tell me that they should keep Popo's design as-is and just have a disclaimer that "Blackface is not okay today, but we've decided to not fix the issue, because the manga and original anime were made in the '80s and some internet people might get upset if we change a super-racist design 30 years later." ... That's not how this works. Warner Bros. don't continue to do blackface gags in their cartoons just because that's how it was in the '40s, and the blackface gags were never what made the Looney Tunes popular in the first place; it was a tiny part of the wide variety of humour in their cartoons, and they lose nothing by moving forward without that unfortunate artefact of that part of their history. In fact, moving forward without that heinous nonsense is a vast improvement, in at least that respect.

Continuing to do racism and sexism in media just because that's how it always was, is a crazy idea, and I have no idea why you've come to this conclusion. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I feel very strongly about this.

Plus, being open to change things about the original to update them and make something distinct from the originals would open the door for the reboot to follow up its adaptation of the original manga with a new adaptation of GT's storylines, perhaps quite different to how it originally was, potentially finally giving us a really good telling of the stories that GT set out to tell, and didn't quite stick the landing on.

I feel like the series could be redone, but only in art style keeping consistent with Shintani, or even better, if Toriyama was able to do a few designs.

If Shintani is still working on the franchise when it comes time to reboot, sure, have him continue, but I think Toriyama has long-since past his time to work on Dragon Ball. In general, in fact, I think working too hard to keep the old guard on board would just be silly. The point of a reboot is to get new blood in, and somewhat revitalise it. If you keep the same guys from before, you're not going to get something that's any different, and you would ultimately just get a pale imitation of the original, which fails to make itself worthwhile in any way.

[emperior]

I would love a Dragon Ball reboot with Shintani doing the designs and possibly striving to be as accurate as possible to Toriyama’s manga, including the various art-style shifts.
At that point they might even go the distance and reboot DBZ too, all under the same name of just “Dragonball” like the 42 manga volumes.

The best reboot, for me, would be one adapating the manga as it was (except for some perverted gags).
I wouldn’t care if Kame Sennin perverted antics didn’t make it (although some could be kept) but I would be very sad to see Goku vs Piccolo Jr at the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi with no blood at all, and possibly all the following stories if they decided to reboot the Z part too.

But, frankly, if there is a Dragon Ball show which desperately needs a reboot that is Dragon Ball Super.
If they could go back and have Shintani handle the designs from the start, trim it, fix the retellings (or not even retell the movies at all and continue from them) and mix it up with Toyotaro’s best ideas that would be much more ideal to me than a reboot of DB, for which I hold nostalgic feelings and which could make me sad if handled incorrectly.

[Robo4900]

I would love a Dragon Ball reboot with Shintani doing the designs and possibly striving to be as accurate as possible to Toriyama’s manga, including the various art-style shifts.
At that point they might even go the distance and reboot DBZ too, all under the same name of just “Dragonball” like the 42 manga volumes.

Rebooting either "Dragon Ball" or "Dragon Ball Z" as in those two respective halves of the manga on their own would be utterly stupid IMO. Either reboot the whole thing, or don't bother.

But, frankly, if there is a Dragon Ball show which desperately needs a reboot that is Dragon Ball Super.
If they could go back and have Shintani handle the designs from the start, trim it, fix the retellings (or not even retell the movies at all and continue from them) and mix it up with Toyotaro’s best ideas that would be much more ideal to me than a reboot of DB, for which I hold nostalgic feelings and which could make me sad if handled incorrectly.

I think it's too soon to fix Super, but maybe in a couple of decades, if they do a full Dragon Ball reboot, they could retell those stories. Hopefully they would work in ideas from GT and the movies too. I think it could be quite fun.

[emperior]

But, frankly, if there is a Dragon Ball show which desperately needs a reboot that is Dragon Ball Super.
If they could go back and have Shintani handle the designs from the start, trim it, fix the retellings (or not even retell the movies at all and continue from them) and mix it up with Toyotaro’s best ideas that would be much more ideal to me than a reboot of DB, for which I hold nostalgic feelings and which could make me sad if handled incorrectly.

I think it's too soon to fix Super, but maybe in a couple of decades, if they do a full Dragon Ball reboot, they could retell those stories. Hopefully they would work in ideas from GT and the movies too. I think it could be quite fun.

Ah, yes! They could absolutely first reboot the original manga and then follow it up with a Super reboot.
Although a reboot of everything is something I think they will do only once Super is completely over. Right now making new movies or a new Super show would be the more profitable choice.

[Matches Malone]

I think it's too soon to fix Super, but maybe in a couple of decades, if they do a full Dragon Ball reboot, they could retell those stories.

They could absolutely first reboot the original manga and then follow it up with a Super reboot.

Unlike the original manga which is a classic worth a proper adaption (not that DB & Z are bad), I don't think Super is anywhere near that level, so they should just take things in a different direction if a continuation is needed.

[Aim]

Toei should call on Nozawa to voice Goku for as long as she's still willing to do it.

But, in a decade or two, when rebooting starts to look good, I don't think using a cast entirely constructed of impressionists of a bunch of dead people is such a good idea. Arguably a little disrespectful too?...

She has literally stated that she is Goku, she is incredibly attached to this character, spiritually one may argue, she will always be the true voice of Goku.

Also, there's nothing disrespectful about trying to keep as close to the original as possible, there's a difference between mocking, and closely mimicking voice actors. I really don't want Son to sounds like the English dub's Goku, at that point, I'd easily give up this series.

Batman is an icon of western pop culture, but many different actors have played him, and each were allowed to give their own take, not just forced to be as close as possible to the first guy to play the part. Each actor was respected enough both to let them play it their way, and to let whoever follows them do something different.

I don't mind what the west does, I can't follow most western series in comics and shows since everything is so inconsistent. Superman? Sick of trying to follow it. Spiderman? I'll just watch the movies.

Actors playing different Batman's is different from a reboot of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball is a lot more consistent and has more of an iconic voice and character. I don't believe Son should be cast to be vastly different from Nozawa.

It's very, very not okay for one of the core characters in this franchise to constantly harass every woman he's around, so I disagree, bigtime. Wall-to-wall sexual assault and harassment isn't why any of us like Dragon Ball. For 99% of us, it's something we have to put up with now and then so we can get to the parts we do enjoy, so why leave that in? It's awful.

You're right, it's not okay. Dragon Ball Super took it too far, in which I'm not surprised, Japan is full of these fuckers who discriminate against women & minorities, heck, even Shueisha said that "Women wouldn't be good at Shonen manga because they don't know what a young boys heart desires", give me a fucking break, what are these old men talking about? They put tons of shit in manga that I can guarantee a young child doesn't give two shits about. Went on a tangent here, that gets me fired up.

As for "Preserving Dragon Ball as it is" in general... No offense, but to anyone who really thinks that, a reboot is not for you, because no reboot would ever "Preserve Dragon Ball as it is". If you want that, you go back and watch the original anime, read the original manga, watch the original movies, etc. That's "Dragon Ball as it is". A new work shouldn't be forced to be as similar as possible to an earlier one just because it's in the same franchise. If you're doing a new work, goal #1 is to make it the best version of itself you can possibly make it. And in a reboot of Dragon Ball, the goal would be to make the best possible adaptation of the original manga for the audience of its day. If you ask me, even in the '80s, Roshi's behaviour was not acceptable, and it's only become worse with time, as more people have come to realise this. So, in trying to be the best possible version of itself, a new adaptation of Dragon Ball's manga should have the freedom to do away with certain major flaws in the work, such as Roshi being an awful, sexist pig.

I think the biggest mistake was having characters give Muten Roshi respect regardless of how much of a pig he was. Part of me is afraid of getting a Dragon Ball that isn't Dragon Ball and that loses that Toriyama touch, though removing Roshi's behavior wouldn't be bad at all, I find myself disgusted at some of the things Toriyama has actually said in the past in interviews, not sure if it's him trying to be edgy though.

Putting a disclaimer upfront is okay for something from a long time ago, made with a culture that wasn't as accepting as today... But a work TODAY doing that? I'm sorry, but that would just be utter bullshit. Next you're gonna tell me that they should keep Popo's design as-is and just have a disclaimer that "Blackface is not okay today, but we've decided to not fix the issue, because the manga and original anime were made in the '80s and some internet people might get upset if we change a super-racist design 30 years later." ... That's not how this works. Warner Bros. don't continue to do blackface gags in their cartoons just because that's how it was in the '40s, and the blackface gags were never what made the Looney Tunes popular in the first place; it was a tiny part of the wide variety of humour in their cartoons, and they lose nothing by moving forward without that unfortunate artefact of that part of their history. In fact, moving forward without that heinous nonsense is a vast improvement, in at least that respect.

Ohh yeah, you got a point, I didn't think of that one.

There's some things I'm a little torn on, like with Freeza's heinous acts of murder and what not, seeing him kill Namekkian children is hard to watch but it really just portrays him as this horrible person, when my grandmother saw him do this stuff, she really started to hate him.

Continuing to do racism and sexism in media just because that's how it always was, is a crazy idea, and I have no idea why you've come to this conclusion. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I feel very strongly about this.

I didn't word any of it right, I usually only end up replying to threads at like 12:00 at night so I slip up sometimes, but yeah, it's not right.

Pissed off that I came across that way.

If Shintani is still working on the franchise when it comes time to reboot, sure, have him continue, but I think Toriyama has long-since past his time to work on Dragon Ball. In general, in fact, I think working too hard to keep the old guard on board would just be silly. The point of a reboot is to get new blood in, and somewhat revitalise it. If you keep the same guys from before, you're not going to get something that's any different, and you would ultimately just get a pale imitation of the original, which fails to make itself worthwhile in any way.

Toriyama's designs shouldn't be replaced, that's one thing I won't budge on. Shintani's style was something new and very Toriyama like, just needs to get rid of those hole noses and it's perfect.

Honestly, part of me keeps thinking back to that one thread of someone suggesting a "Cartoon version of Dragon Ball", then someone brought up having the cast in a neighborhood with the gang fighting other gangs, holy shit, it made me fucking sick reading it.

Really, as long as it feels like Dragon Ball, has all of Toriyama's good touches to it, then I'm happy. And god forbid multiple fucking writers, last thing I want to see as well are shitty fan like made designs.