Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 30 - DB episode 131-135

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Re: Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 30 - DB episode 131-135 (CURRENT WEEK)

Post by Robo4900 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:51 am

MyVisionity wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:19 pm Yeah the guy is most likely only the village elder and not a blood relative. The term she uses, ojiisama, is just a highly respectful way of addressing an elderly man.
Thought so. Thank you. :)
MyVisionity wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:19 pm
Robo4900 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:42 am KBABZ had initially suggested we use "Z Fighters" to refer to the Dragon Team. The term "Z Fighters" is never used within the manga itself, nor do any characters use it in the anime, although Funi's dubs often called them the "Z Warriors". In the Japanese manga and anime, there are episode titles and narration that use "Dragon Team" in similar places to where Funi use "Z Warriors", however.
"Dragon Team" is a name that applies to any of the main cast, including both the fighters and non-fighters such as Bulma, Oolong, Puar etc. "Z-Senshi/Z-Fighters/Z-Warriors" refers to the main group of fighters, although I believe this term is only used in the anime by the narrator and in episode titles.
Hm. I see.
Personally, I'm happy to just use Dragon Team and assume it'll be clear what we mean by context, but if you guys think it makes more sense to use Z-Warriors, we can change it.
KBABZ wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:49 am Sooooooo does anyone have a Daizenshuu timeline on them so we can fact-check this?
In fairness, the Daizenshuu books are external sources, so easily disregarded, particularly in cases like "The Roshi training was only 6 months", where it contradicts the story itself. Plus, the Daizenshuu version of the time travel in the Cell arc is a fucking overcomplicated mess. So, I'd take anything in the Daizenshuu guides with a pinch of salt.
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Re: Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 30 - DB episode 131-135 (CURRENT WEEK)

Post by MasenkoHA » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:37 am

KBABZ wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:49 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:39 am
KBABZ wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:00 am
Shoot you're right! I didn't notice the last word bubble where he landed on 12! Oops! Guess that means he's 11 at the start and 17 at the 23rd TB.
He’s 18 at the 23rd Budokai.

12 at the 21st. 15 at the 22nd and 18 by the 23rd


Logically Goku would be 11 at the start of the story because he was 12 in the 21st Budokai and that had to have been a year after Shen Long is first summoned buut no he was 12 in the beginning of the story. In both the anime and the manga he tells Bulma he’s 14 when he’s trying to help bathe her and then we find out he only said that because he thought 14 came after 11.

As for Bulma, the "I'm 16 line" is used by Funimation's dub. In the manga (or ViZ's translation of it, at least) she instead says "Wh-when you say "Havin' some fun"..... you don't mean videogames do you?! You mean those naughty things that you aren't even allowed to describe in a comic book, don't you?!"
She also said she was 16 in the Japanese version of Oolong’s debut.
Sooooooo does anyone have a Daizenshuu timeline on them so we can fact-check this?
I feel like the actual show dialog is sufficient enough?

He’s stated to be 12 in the 21st Budokai then the Red Ribbon/Baba arc follows immediately after then the next tournament is stated to be 3 years later and then the 23rd Budokai is 3 years following that

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Re: Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 30 - DB episode 131-135 (CURRENT WEEK)

Post by KBABZ » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:34 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:37 am I feel like the actual show dialog is sufficient enough?

He’s stated to be 12 in the 21st Budokai then the Red Ribbon/Baba arc follows immediately after then the next tournament is stated to be 3 years later and then the 23rd Budokai is 3 years following that
Well the problem is that the show's plothole with the Dragon Balls is still there. Unless Oolong's panties was such a pitiful wish that the Dragon Balls only needed six months to recharge, it HAS to be a year!

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Post by MasenkoHA » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:03 pm

KBABZ wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:34 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:37 am I feel like the actual show dialog is sufficient enough?

He’s stated to be 12 in the 21st Budokai then the Red Ribbon/Baba arc follows immediately after then the next tournament is stated to be 3 years later and then the 23rd Budokai is 3 years following that
Well the problem is that the show's plothole with the Dragon Balls is still there. Unless Oolong's panties was such a pitiful wish that the Dragon Balls only needed six months to recharge, it HAS to be a year!

Sure but I think Goku stating he’s 12 at the 21st Budokai should override anything else and then we can safely place him at 18 at the 23rd

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Re: Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 30 - DB episode 131-135 (CURRENT WEEK)

Post by KBABZ » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:04 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:03 pm Sure but I think Goku stating he’s 12 at the 21st Budokai should override anything else and then we can safely place him at 18
Correct, no getting around that, and 12 + 6 = 18. For me the math more applies to how old Bulma is exactly.

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Re: Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 30 - DB episode 131-135 (CURRENT WEEK)

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:29 pm

Just got around to this week's episodes and have some time to kill tomorrow so hoping to finally get around to reviewing movies 2 and 3 then before we move on to Week 31.

Suffice to say, my thoughts are as follows:

Episode 131 - Each On His Own Path

A rather good filler episode that makes some great use of the different main characters while also giving Goku his due for his continued training on the lookout. An interesting inversion whereby the former is involved in the action and the latter, the central character is the one is involved in a more spiritual or philosophical role. On a similar note Tien and Chaoitzu show more experience in the metaphysical area of martial arts than Kuririn and Yamcha as they are the characters that hear voices chanting in the distance, which are the voices of the people from the village that this episode revolves around.

The use of a soothing Kikuchi track when Tien, Chaoitzu, Yamcha and Kuririn reach the village emphasizes the sense of harmony that these people share, and especially with the mountain they see as a God. Conversely once a flock of crows fly over the village a more ominous track plays to highlight oncoming danger from the mountain that begins to erupt, and our heroes which came to the village will be tasked with stopping the flow of magma and saving the village. In light of this the fact Tien wanted to do the right thing, as Goku would implies a respect he has developed for his once sworn rival. With regards to Goku, his moment of waking up to do exercises on the lookout was a nice touch as it illustrates his desire to always better himself that anyone he fights learns to respect about him. In addition Mr Popo's usage in this episode emphasizes the constant need for Goku to learn and is consistent with the motif of there always being someone stronger or more competitive. Goku's attempt to run in different directions as he undergoes his task to catch Mr Popo with blindfolds on demonstrates the necessity for him to learn to detect spiritual energy rather than his opponent's visual presence. Goku being slammed towards the ground and being caught when he least expects it allow him to endure a sense of hardship that adds dramatic weight to his training at the lookout.

Episode 132 - Hotter Than Magma

Following on from the last episode we have the continued adventures of Tien, Chaoitzu, Yamcha and Kuririn as they have their chance to save a village without Goku. Goku still has some screentime as he continues to unlearn what he has learned about following your enemies movements, although it's mostly in the background, allowing his friends to get some well needed attention.

The confidence initially shown by Tien, Chaoitzu, Yamcha and Kuririn as magma flows down the mountain and burning forests was admirable. Kuririn and Yamcha show more humility and uncertainty as their quest goes on, in Kuririn's case it's likely because of his desire to save Mint, whereas Yamcha has other plans than the rest of the crew. Interestingly the way the village is saved was somewhat surprising with the ever headstrong Tien not being the one who saves the day, but the character who helped the most was Yamcha.

Tien shoots Dodonpas to cause cracks he hopes the magma will fall into, but it only disperses. Likewise Kuririn's Kamehame Ha wasn't as impressive in getting the job done. Conversely Yamcha's Kamehame Ha at the cliffs allows a stream of water to break through and slowly but surely extinguish the magma. This was clever thinking and a great moment for his character. In Goku's case his continued training on the lookout serves as a less is more subplot in the episode. Goku doesn't receive as much time as his friends, but what we see, like Mr Popo disappearing and reappearing close to him emphasizes the importance of sensing spiritual energy when it is more prevalent than the physical.

All in all an enjoyable episode for Goku's friends to have some success and a logical end to Goku's childhood and all that he taught he knew about martial arts, as his greatest fight is yet to come.

Episode 133 - The Reunion Before the Storm

Not much significant developments in this episode, but it serves its purpose in establishing the 23rd Tenka’ichi Budokai and introducing a grown up versions of all the characters.

The most prominent reintroductions came in the form of Goku and Piccolo Jr. The former has an endearing reunion with his friends because of them initially not recognizing him, and Bulma recognizing him as being more attractive. Bulma's reintroduction as a more mature, attractive individual herself adds little other than another Roshi gag, and an new funny scene with Roshi getting a smack for being sleazy. Piccolo Jr's first appearance as an adult is more ominous and a disappointment to the civilians who thought they would be saved.

Goku's ability to sense Tien, Chaoitzu, Yamcha and Kuririn when they are on their way as well as Piccolo Jr before he appears to them at the tournament grounds was nice to see and gives some payoff to his training at Mr Popo's lookout. Piccolo Jr's arrival adds a sense of dramatic weight to the tournament as we see Tien's fear and Kuririn's cluelessness (as he was dead early in the previous arc) that makes the fights yet to come all the more exciting.

Episode 134 - Troubles at the Tenka’ichi Budokai

Similar to the last episode there are the reintroductions of older and wiser characters, and the payoffs for Goku's training, although it offers a few more surprises.

Piccolo Jr's presence is as ominous as ever, the use of an eerie Kikuchi track emphasizes the mystery surrounding him to our heroes as none of them witnessed Daimao birthing him just before his death. Chi-Chi is unsurprisingly unrecognizable to the ever naive Goku, which only frustrates her, but adds much needed tension as Chi-Chi is the one persuing Goku. Piccolo Jr's stare at Goku from across the hall was a nice touch as it helps build up the rivalry between the two, especially because Goku's first preliminary fight was in this episode.

Goku's first fight against King Chappa was a great moment for his development as it shows him to be a more mature fighter who learned from the attendant of a God. King Chappa being oblivious to Goku's lack of a traditional defensive stance demonstrates the mundane nature of experience anyone who only trained below Kami's lookout would have by comparison. Additionally King Chappa shows the same ignorance Goku had about spiritual techniques by looking with his eyes for Goku only to be knocked out by a single chop.

The preliminaries move at an appropriately fast pace as the appeal of this tournament is how far Goku and his friends have come in their training and adventures. Roshi, Lunch, Bulma and Oolong's excitement to hear about Goku's victory only adds to the intrigue regarding his progress and the anticipation for his upcoming fights. Nonetheless Goku is not immune to surprise himself, and the return of a living Tao Pai Pai catches him just as off guard as anyone else, and sets up some mystery for the upcoming episode.

Episode 135 - The Eight Chosen People

Another largely establishing episode for the tournament and the danger of the villains competing. The scene at the beginning with potential spectators, including Goku's friends feeling irritated they can't get through to the tournament grounds only to see some contestants, including Chaoitzu being carried out injured was a dark scene that emphasizes the horror.

Piccolo holds a villainous face looking at Goku and strangles his opponent to win a match, clearly setting him up as the new demon king and a force to be reckoned with. There are some entertaining scenes with Shen's fly being open in front of an audience, and Yajirobe's easy loss, but otherwise this episode is very serious.

The shock on the announcer's face when he sees Kuririn alive, the apprehension over who Ma'Junior could be, and Master Crane's story about how technology kept Tao Pai Pai alive show the different levels of misinformed these characters are about the bizarre and extraordinary things that occur in this world. The tournament announcer not being aware of the Dragon Ball's magical power, and Goku and his friends not knowing the circumstances that allowed Piccolo Jr and the mechanically enhanced Tao Pai Pai show that everyone is still oblivious to something. In both cases the sense of wonder and discovery from earlier in the series is given some real gravitas and peril that makes for a great mature climax.

The stare down between Tien and Tao Pai Pai leaves a lot of anticipation for the upcoming episode and matches in the finals in general.
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