Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 3 - Official Discussion Thread

[Majin Buu]

Isn't Kaioshins lore from a guide or a random Toriyama interview? Technically it wouldn't be a retcon from anything from the manga.

This is why I don't have a problem with this maybe-maybe not retcon: That information only ever existed in a guidebook and never made it to the series proper. So as far as I'm concerned, they're free to ignore/retcon it- if a retcon is indeed what's happening here.


I liked the bar fight. The choreography was great, I liked the music, and I like how it started because Goku was getting the "you're not from around here are ya?" treatment from the locals.

Other than that, yeah, the lore dumps are starting to become a bit much. When they were flying over the landscape I thought to myself "Oh, more lore dumps." Luckily we got some action in this episode so it wasn't too egregious.

Going back to the music: Is it just me, or does the main recurring motif (it's heard in the commercial break eyecatch and next episode preview among other parts of the show) sound similar to one of Kikuchi's motifs?

[Yuji]

Glorio is very Han Solo inspired. The whole episode was.

I don't think Shin being a Glind is a retcon just yet. It seems that the Demon Realm is separate from the universe cosmology, as Shin being a Kaioshin holds no authority there. It's possible Glind are a Demon World name for the same thing as Shinjin. Perhaps the Shinjin are like Namekians, refugees from the Demon World that eventually were chosen by the higher Gods as Kaio and Kaioshin. We simply don't have enough information right now. We need to let the arc unfold. The lore is clearly a big part of this series, so contradictory or not, I'm sure everything will be explained.

Loved the action sequences. Very creative choreography, I could imagine them on Toriyama's page.

Disappointed we're not getting a mature Goku. I found the goldfish gag funny but not much else surrounding his antics. I'll stay for the ride.

Isn't Kaioshins lore from a guide or a random Toriyama interview? Technically it wouldn't be a retcon from anything from the manga.

Kaioshin spent his youth in the Demon Realm and has a spaceship that's able to get there. It's 100% confirmed that's he's from the Demon Realm.
Now the World Tree where the Gods are born could still exist in Demon Planet 2 and everything still fit.

It's not like it's uncommon for Gods in Dragon Ball to be selected instead of born "Godly". Perhaps the Glind are naturally masters of white magic and that's why there's chosen as Kaioshins? Who knows.

A Realm or Planet "Kaishin" was mentioned by Gowasu in the Zamasu arc. It refers to Toriyama's Shinjin lore, so it was adapted into Super in some way.

[shadowfox87]

Anyone have an idea of what it says on the note the thieves left behind?

[AliTheZombie13]

So uh... any explanation as to why Goku doesn't just teleport to the thieves?

[Gogetason]

Heres my very concise review:

Enjoyed the comedy and the fight scenes. Just wish the demon realm was a little bit more imaginative, like namek in z with how the namekians survive off water and are only one gender. They are too human like/earthen like, with beds,a bar, inns, use bow and arrows or spears. Replace all those demons with humans and its just like earth.

[kemuri07]

I actually kinda dug the lore dumps if only because it shows that this show is going a lot harder than I thought it would in the narrative department, but also, it just seems like it's setting up Daima to be something different than what we've seen before. Like there are GT vibes for sure, but the planet hopping was mostly an excuse to just find the Dragonballs in GT. We're getting some whole ass world building here and I'm down for it. It's only the third ep, we're still in early days--let them cook.

In regards to Goku, I think he's far more likeable here than he's been in quite awhile. I think part of it is because I can accept more of his ADHDness when he's now a kid, than I could for a man in his 40s with a wife and several kids. But also it helps that Goku doesn't seem like such an sociopathic shithole who only gives a shit about himself. Like I said about the previous episode, I like how Goku's response is simply to go "welp, let's go save Dende!" That to me is Goku in a nutshell, and a farcry from how he's been presented in Super. So for now, Daima Goku get's a thumbs up.

[shadowfox87]

Anyone have an idea of what it says on the note the thieves left behind?

It seems to be a mirror image of Japanese. I tried using google lens but it says something weird.


Someone named Luca is coming?

[FortuneSSJ]

It's getting better and better. We got past the boring stuff and things are getting interesting
Part 2 is easily Daima at this best. Gave me some Star War vibes and loved the fight choreography

Toriyama really gave his best in making Demon Realm interesting and surpassed all my expectations. Really ejoying all the worlbuilding.

I'm surprised we finally have proper eyecatches

Episode 1 pacing should've been handled better. Its much more boring than the last two and wouldn't surprised me if turns out to be the weakest episode of Daima. It's already the most boring first episode of any Dragon Ball main anime.

[AliTheZombie13]

My problem with "Stupid Super Goku" is essentially the same as "Stupid Z Goku" in the latter half of that series: Serious conflict moved by sheer character stupidity. I don't care if it's in-character, intentional or the "True Portrayal of Goku." It seriously takes my enjoyment out of the story.

Goku being innocently insensitive is fine, but Lord help me if something happened like, say, for example... "Goku, we could've just gone to the Demon Realm in 2 seconds if you just kept your mouth shut! Now we have to do an entire optional boring fetch quest instead!" - "Tee hee, my bad! "

[nineko]

Weak episode, in my opinion. I know different people have different tastes, and by reading the posts above I can see some of you are enthusiast about it, but meh, I just didn't like it for the most part. They wasted too much time to do the warp sequence(s), and while I get that they needed to show some makai landscapes and talk about the air, that part seemed to be too long as well. This felt like an episode diluted for the sake of it (not as bad as Naruto or One Piece, but still). And I expected to see at least a bit of what the rest of the cast was doing back on Earth, do we know if VAs get paid by the episode in Japan as well? I remember one episode of American Dad in which the authors had Hailey and Klaus speak one line just for their VAs to be paid for that episode, I wonder if Toei vice versa decided to hide all the other characters under the rug just to cut on the payments.

I still think I would have preferred Super 2 so far, but I'm not losing all hope yet. There is potential and there is some sense of mystery, but I seriously hope that the subsequent episodes can have more meat.

[JulieYBM]

Gokuu being insensitive to an asshole fish is honestly pretty funny. Warp is established as being someone people need to suck-up to just to get where they want to go, but Gokuu messes that up by zoning out and missing that? Yeah, that's actually relatable.

ADHD is a fucking nightmare and curse, so realistic portrayals of it are nice, so long as they're built on properly. Of course, a kid's cartoon like Dragon Ball isn't likely to properly talk about a disability, so here we are.

[ankokudaishogun]

Anyone have an idea of what it says on the note the thieves left behind?

It seems to be a mirror image of Japanese. I tried using google lens but it says something weird.
Someone named Luca is coming?

モラッテ　イクゼ　バーカ
Moratte Ikue Ba-ka
more or less "I'll take it, stoopid"


anyway....

The good: this is Dragon Quest GT. The fights are good, Goku manages to be somehow refreshing and the new lore is pretty interesting.
The bad: not enough fight and energy in the scenes, and way too much lore dump.

Specifically, this episode should have lasted HALF the episode. The narration is too slow!

[LightBing]

A Realm or Planet "Kaishin" was mentioned by Gowasu in the Zamasu arc. It refers to Toriyama's Shinjin lore, so it was adapted into Super in some way.

Guess that's one more reason to see Daima as a different continuity akin to GT. Although I don't remember that line by Gowasu, wouldn't surprise me if they just forgot about it.

It would be pretty funny if all that sense of superiority by Zamasu was further mocked, when he wasn't even considered high class in the land he came from.

[Vegard Aune]

A Realm or Planet "Kaishin" was mentioned by Gowasu in the Zamasu arc. It refers to Toriyama's Shinjin lore, so it was adapted into Super in some way.

It most certainly was not. That was a particularly glaring bit of mistranslation from one of the many groups that prioritized speed over accuracy. Gowasu was saying he believed that Zamasu had reformed himself from his human-hating ways, to which Zamasu responded that that was laughable and that he'd merely been playing the part so as to be able to carry out his plans.
https://jisho.org/search/%E6%94%B9%E5%BF%83
That is the "kaishin" they said. The word for "correcting one's conduct". Go look at that episode on Crunchyroll or the official Super DVD/BD subtitles and I guarantee you that no place called "Kaishin" is mentioned.

[Smilodon]

It was a slow episode. We only saw Goku, Shin and Glorio.... And the demon realm. Nothing from earth. I was hoping to see how Vegeta and Piccolo will join. What about King Gomah with Dende and Shin's brothers? Nothing either...
And I think next episode will continue showing only the demon realm. They showed goku fighting again and Panzy as Masked Majin behind him.

I was excited to see Panzy in action, but the opening and the ending shows her like DBGT Pan 2.0. It's kinda sad.

[Yuji]

A Realm or Planet "Kaishin" was mentioned by Gowasu in the Zamasu arc. It refers to Toriyama's Shinjin lore, so it was adapted into Super in some way.

It most certainly was not. That was a particularly glaring bit of mistranslation from one of the many groups that prioritized speed over accuracy. Gowasu was saying he believed that Zamasu had reformed himself from his human-hating ways, to which Zamasu responded that that was laughable and that he'd merely been playing the part so as to be able to carry out his plans.
https://jisho.org/search/%E6%94%B9%E5%BF%83
That is the "kaishin" they said. The word for "correcting one's conduct". Go look at that episode on Crunchyroll or the official Super DVD/BD subtitles and I guarantee you that no place called "Kaishin" is mentioned.

I stand corrected then. I guess nothing outside of guidebook stuff has been contradicted. Looking forward to more lore about the Glinds.

[tonysoprano300]

Another pretty good episode, I don’t mind lore dumps to some degree but I felt like they repeated the “air is heavy” thing a few too many times. I'm loving the visuals and the adventure thus far, especially the demon realm hierarchy. That seems to be implementing a layer of complexity that i didn’t really anticipate. The bar fight was awesome.

I think my only real complaint with the series thus far is how the slow the pacing is.

[JulieYBM]

I do think the first part of the episode should have been less long. A snappier start and a more lengthy action sceen at the end would have evened out the episode a bit, I think. Daima has been at it's best when the characters and their motivations are the focus, so I'm looking forward to more of that. I hope that next week Panzy gets some good, fun scenes.

[Fizzer]

I'm loving this so far. This is so, so Toriyama. The jokes, the designs, the sense of adventure, the little bits of lore than expand the cosmology so effortlessly. The Jackie Chan style bar fight was Toriyama to the core.

I think this was my favourite episode of the three, but I've found the pacing across the board to be perfect for a twenty-something episode self-contained story introducing a new world. It's good that we're still in Act 1 at this point.

I guess the World Tree is in the Demon Realm, which is fine. The Demon Realm appears to be have been elevated from a standard Dark World to the "inner world" at the core of the 12 universes, so it makes sense that the Kaioshin would originated there and then go out to their respective universes.

I like the Inferno type structure we've got with the Demon Realm, with I guess the highest level being the least demonic and the Demon King residing in the lowest level.

Goku is an AuDHD icon. Come to think of it, Arale was too and even moreso.

Goku and Shin sleeping on the bed together was really cute.

I'm getting the suspicion that this might have started as a GT reboot to bring it into the canon like we had with Broly. Too many beats are shared for something like that to not be the case. Then Toriyama got heavily involved and turned it up to 11 - the Demon Realm is a far more interesting place to take it than just exploring more of Universe 7, his arcs never really retread old ground like that, they always introduce new elements to the big picture. It's like he took GT, gutted and completely rewrote it.

Oh, and, modern Dragon Ball is really trippy. I don't know if it's that Super and Daima are actually trippier than what came before, or I was just so used to it in the original series from experiencing it at a young age.

[TRIZACK]

Glorio is very Han Solo inspired. The whole episode was.

I don't think Shin being a Glind is a retcon just yet. It seems that the Demon Realm is separate from the universe cosmology, as Shin being a Kaioshin holds no authority there. It's possible Glind are a Demon World name for the same thing as Shinjin. Perhaps the Shinjin are like Namekians, refugees from the Demon World that eventually were chosen by the higher Gods as Kaio and Kaioshin. We simply don't have enough information right now. We need to let the arc unfold. The lore is clearly a big part of this series, so contradictory or not, I'm sure everything will be explained.

Loved the action sequences. Very creative choreography, I could imagine them on Toriyama's page.

Disappointed we're not getting a mature Goku. I found the goldfish gag funny but not much else surrounding his antics. I'll stay for the ride.

Isn't Kaioshins lore from a guide or a random Toriyama interview? Technically it wouldn't be a retcon from anything from the manga.

Kaioshin spent his youth in the Demon Realm and has a spaceship that's able to get there. It's 100% confirmed that's he's from the Demon Realm.
Now the World Tree where the Gods are born could still exist in Demon Planet 2 and everything still fit.

It's not like it's uncommon for Gods in Dragon Ball to be selected instead of born "Godly". Perhaps the Glind are naturally masters of white magic and that's why there's chosen as Kaioshins? Who knows.

A Realm or Planet "Kaishin" was mentioned by Gowasu in the Zamasu arc. It refers to Toriyama's Shinjin lore, so it was adapted into Super in some way.

Wasn't the "Kaishin" line a mistranslation before the official subs came out? I remember it was when Zamasu's plan was revealed and the amateur translation had Gowasu saying "I thought you came from Kaishin" when the more accurate translation was "I thought you'd seen the error of your ways."

Unless it was another scene I don't remember.