What old concepts from movies/games will be made canon next?

[GokuHater]

Yes but they cannot realistically pump on the "10 years of peace" forever can they? I am not that sure if "Toryiama's seel of approval" is that relevant anymore. Toei is a corporation. I am sure they have upmost respect for Toryiama legacy but at the end of the day money is the answer. Whether Toyotaro is the hand right man or not.
I also think the Moro arc is a step in the right direction. The problem is not whether can they make a good story but how and when?

Dragon Ball is sort of stuck in limbo right now. We have Daima which is a prequel of a prequel but Super itself is stuck. And what about EoZ? Will they go beyond and actually overwrite GT (which I doubt very much)? Will they milk the time between even more? They can't keep making prequels of prequels forever.
Will they go beyond EoZ and do some sort of alternate story?

I am VERY curious if there is an actual plan.

Ah, but I feel I got off topic a bit.

[Peach]

Coola or Kuriiza being brought in to go along with the Black Freeza arc would be fun. Imagine Coola coming to Earth, making friends with Gokuu and friends and claiming that Freeza is attempting to do something really dangerous, only to pull the rug out from them and reveal that he is the true threat?

One can literally do anything they want, really. Heck, fold Artificial Humans #13-15 into being foot soldiers of #21! Heck, with #21 you could even do a 'return to the Demon Realm' arc to follow up on Daima, since she is also a Majin.

Want to do Hirudegarn? What if they are rampaging in the demon realm?

Literally just do whatever story sounds like fun to do.

I would love to see Cooler become canon to the Super continuity.

If I could have my way, it would be a story inspired by Hamlet and The Tempest. A long simmering revenge and birth right to the throne. Maybe Cooler inadvertently killed his clan and destroyed their planet with his immense power and King Cold sealed his eldest son away long ago. And Frieza is oblivious to his existence or him being alive. And the Saiyans naturally get caught in the crossfire of this conflict when they go to fight black Frieza.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Toei is a corporation. I am sure they have upmost respect for Toryiama legacy but at the end of the day money is the answer. Whether Toyotaro is the hand right man or not.

When the Z anime ended, the majority of staff (writers, producers, etc...) moved on to other projects, resulting in GT being made by completely new people getting involved with the franchise for the very first time...it didn't go well. I may view GT more favorably than Super and Daima, but there's no denying that it was a major downgrade from DB & Z. This would not have happened had they stuck to the team that worked on Z and who regularly talked with Toriyama. Toyotaro may not be perfect, but I honestly can't see them pulling a GT again and going with an all new team.

Dragon Ball is sort of stuck in limbo right now. We have Daima which is a prequel of a prequel but Super itself is stuck. And what about EoZ? Will they go beyond and actually overwrite GT (which I doubt very much)? Will they milk the time between even more? They can't keep making prequels of prequels forever. Will they go beyond EoZ and do some sort of alternate story?

The story of Goku and his friends was completed in the manga. GT, Super, and now Daima have proven that there's nothing left to justify an ongoing series. I've always thought that the best way to carry the franchise forward was to set it 100 or 200 years into the future with a completely new cast. Battle of Gods should've been the final main project starring Goku and his friends, with the multiverse set up in that movie being the main focus of the new cast's series.

[GokuHater]

To be fair, there is a pletora of ideas that could work as a Dragon Ball story. The problem is they would require to stray away from the main cast into some new territories and that is too big of a financial risk for Toei.

The ideas that come to mind...
The life and adventures of young Roshi
The life of Sayians both before and during Freeza's rule
Universe 6 stuff

That would be some major side stories which I feel the fans would like - and if done creatively enough - could also adhere to anime fans in general.

What is the chance on Toei actually going this route though... ?

[Vegeta th3 4th]

To be fair, there is a pletora of ideas that could work as a Dragon Ball story. The problem is they would require to stray away from the main cast into some new territories and that is too big of a financial risk for Toei.

The ideas that come to mind...
The life and adventures of young Roshi
The life of Sayians both before and during Freeza's rule
Universe 6 stuff

That would be some major side stories which I feel the fans would like - and if done creatively enough - could also adhere to anime fans in general.

What is the chance on Toei actually going this route though... ?

Zero percent. They were too afraid to do anything new under Toriyama's supervision, so can you imagine now ? They're just going to double and triple down on nostalgia. Your ideas are great though, even for just OVAs.

[GokuHater]

Thanks, man.

I also think that shaking of a formula is something Toei will never do. And not because of lack of creative writers on the staff but cause of production, policy... ?

Anyway back on topic, if this means milking the past villains... Frieza, Cooler, Cell, Buu, maybe Zamasu... I don't think they will be able to keep this idea for long.

[JulieYBM]

It's not about a lack of talent. After all, the production staff who work on Dragon Ball have experience creating popular original anime. The issue is the restraints placed on them by producers and production committee partners looking to create a specific type of product and the having to achieve those while sticking to any arbitrary rules that Toriyama might have given them.

The key is to have a production environment where you actually let the people creating these series and films do their own things.

[Cybersai]

The Buu saga, despite being the beginning of the decline in many ways for the franchise, is still lightyears better than everything after it. It also has the endgame aspect for all the characters in DBZ, giving the entire main cast their final character development because it was intended as the end of the franchise at the time. Everything we were seeing in the Buu arc was brand new at the time, it only doesn't feel that way anymore because we've been stuck in a similar time period after with no visible aging for the cast anymore.

[SupremeKai25]

The Buu saga, despite being the beginning of the decline in many ways for the franchise, is still lightyears better than everything after it. It also has the endgame aspect for all the characters in DBZ, giving the entire main cast their final character development because it was intended as the end of the franchise at the time. Everything we were seeing in the Buu arc was brand new at the time, it only doesn't feel that way anymore because we've been stuck in a similar time period after with no visible aging for the cast anymore.

Super Buu getting his ultimate form because Gohan was an idiot and didn't know what he was supposed to do with an earring is more garbage writing than any "plot hole" in Super put together.

[JulieYBM]

I'm going to make the hashtag bold proclamation that the Tournament of Power is a better arc than the Majin Buu arc. Characters have arcs in the Tournament of Power that don't set them up to take over a protagonist role and then fail, only for Gokuu to take up that role. Jiren has a character arc where he goes from a closed-off manchild to someone capable of understanding his mistakes and seeing the hand up that Toppo and the other Pride Troopers have been trying to offer him, all while that's tied into Gokuu, Freeza and #17 having their character arcs tie together and conclude with one another.

[Cybersai]

The Buu saga, despite being the beginning of the decline in many ways for the franchise, is still lightyears better than everything after it. It also has the endgame aspect for all the characters in DBZ, giving the entire main cast their final character development because it was intended as the end of the franchise at the time. Everything we were seeing in the Buu arc was brand new at the time, it only doesn't feel that way anymore because we've been stuck in a similar time period after with no visible aging for the cast anymore.

Super Buu getting his ultimate form because Gohan was an idiot and didn't know what he was supposed to do with an earring is more garbage writing than any "plot hole" in Super put together.

It's more that Goku threw Gohan a random earing for some reason and had no idea it was supposed to be about fusion. And well, the main characters letting the villains get ahead of them again instead of finishing them off when they have the chance is a theme that goes on in every series.

The world building for the Buu arc in general was huge at the time. It was our introduction to other Kai's, the afterlife, Buu was (at the time) the strongest being in both the living world and afterlife and would have wiped out all of existence (since Beerus didn't exist in 1995), adult Gohan, Mr. Satan becoming a true hero even moreso than at the end of Cell, Vegeta having both his rematch with Goku and his final redemption sacrificing himself, etc. Fusions were fun and new at the time, all of Buu's forms were fun, and the fact that no matter what they tried the heroes lost over and over and the Earth gets destroyed for the very first time raised the stakes considerably from everything before it. Toriyama was going all out because he knew this was the end.

[Yasai9001]

Turles. Having him as a Saiyan who has once been to the Demon Realm and discovered some fruit equivalent to the tree of might and is using it in the outside world as a space pirate would be fitting; I don't think his appearance should be the exact same (a slight change like Broly's hair was made would suffice), but he should still resemble that of a common Saiyan warrior, nobody special until he journeyed into the demon realm.

If incorporated right, it could be done nicely.

But more realistically, I can see Cooler, Dr. Wheelo, Bojack, Dr. Raichi and other villains fro past movies and specials come back.

[Peach]

Turles. Having him as a Saiyan who has once been to the Demon Realm and discovered some fruit equivalent to the tree of might and is using it in the outside world as a space pirate would be fitting; I don't think his appearance should be the exact same (a slight change like Broly's hair was made would suffice), but he should still resemble that of a common Saiyan warrior, nobody special until he journeyed into the demon realm.

If incorporated right, it could be done nicely.

But more realistically, I can see Cooler, Dr. Wheelo, Bojack, Dr. Raichi and other villains fro past movies and specials come back.

Would you have him be a universe 6 saiyan or universe 7?

[Vegeta th3 4th]

The key is to have a production environment where you actually let the people creating these series and films do their own things.

I completely agree with you on this. Ever since the original manga and Z anime ended, everything has been "by committee", killing any creativity in the process. When Toriyama was writing the original manga, he didn't always listen to his editors, and when Toei was making the anime, they didn't always follow the manga. When the creators were allowed to create, it resulted in a timeless classic. GT, Super, and Daima all had great potential, but you can tell their ideas came second to whatever suits were on top at the time. Here's the thing; businessmen tend to not know shit about creativity, and we see this every time they get involved in something from a creative standpoint.

The Buu saga, despite being the beginning of the decline in many ways for the franchise, is still light years better than everything after it.

100%. The Buu arc is Shakespeare compared to the mediocrity we've been stuck with ever since.

[GokuHater]

I think letting the fans go wild with their creativity is a bad and a good thing at the same time.
Some dose of control is needed.

The fans can create such creative and rich content which Toei could only dream off.
On the other hand there is also THIS type of fans, who can get absolutely wild with their ideas to the point of being a very bad fanfic (like various SSJ10s).

[Vegeta th3 4th]

I think letting the fans go wild with their creativity is a bad and a good thing at the same time.

I don't think fans with no writing experience should be involved, but rather professional writers who also happen to be fans.

There is also THIS type of fans, who can get absolutely wild with their ideas to the point of being a very bad fanfic (like various SSJ10s).

Recolored Ssj forms, villains coming back, an evil Goku, etc... Modern DB entered bad fan fiction territory a long time ago. I honestly believe that the only path to move forward in a creative way is to skip 100-200 years into the future like what DB Online did. This franchise is in desperate need of a palate cleanse, something that can only be achieved with a new cast and setting.

[Yuji]

I don't really think there's THAT much difference between the two Bardocks, the only difference is the modern one purposely sees Goku off into space whereas the original had no idea he was sent off in the Saiyan space pod.

You just highlighted the main difference between the two and why the OG Bardock fans prefer him. One cares about his son, the other doesn't, at least until he realizes his son can fuel his revenge.

[Yasai9001]

Turles. Having him as a Saiyan who has once been to the Demon Realm and discovered some fruit equivalent to the tree of might and is using it in the outside world as a space pirate would be fitting; I don't think his appearance should be the exact same (a slight change like Broly's hair was made would suffice), but he should still resemble that of a common Saiyan warrior, nobody special until he journeyed into the demon realm.

If incorporated right, it could be done nicely.

But more realistically, I can see Cooler, Dr. Wheelo, Bojack, Dr. Raichi and other villains fro past movies and specials come back.

Would you have him be a universe 6 saiyan or universe 7?

Universe 7 would be cool, but going for a more fantastical approach, I'd say U6. Being able to traverse different realms and universes through his exploration amongst the Demon Realm would be a nice twist - he could be a representation of a Saiyan bound by no pride or code - using whatever means necessary to get stronger, whether it be using healing bugs in major fights or the "tree or might" which could get canonized in its own way, or something like that.

Do you think it'd be an interesting concept?

[Peach]

Turles. Having him as a Saiyan who has once been to the Demon Realm and discovered some fruit equivalent to the tree of might and is using it in the outside world as a space pirate would be fitting; I don't think his appearance should be the exact same (a slight change like Broly's hair was made would suffice), but he should still resemble that of a common Saiyan warrior, nobody special until he journeyed into the demon realm.

If incorporated right, it could be done nicely.

But more realistically, I can see Cooler, Dr. Wheelo, Bojack, Dr. Raichi and other villains fro past movies and specials come back.

Would you have him be a universe 6 saiyan or universe 7?

Universe 7 would be cool, but going for a more fantastical approach, I'd say U6. Being able to traverse different realms and universes through his exploration amongst the Demon Realm would be a nice twist - he could be a representation of a Saiyan bound by no pride or code - using whatever means necessary to get stronger, whether it be using healing bugs in major fights or the "tree or might" which could get canonized in its own way, or something like that.

Do you think it'd be an interesting concept?

Yes.

Turles has a special place in my heart. I think Sparking Zero shows how interesting the dynamics could be between classic non-canon characters and Super.