Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

[dbs fanboy]

One Piece.


I mean, i'm not sure, each show has it's thing, the only things i'm certain is that i find Daima to be the worst of the three, but with the best animation and great Lore.

GT is nostalgic and has the best ending in the franchise, while Super gave the entire cast a moment to shine and brought back the Dragon Ball effect of uniting fans around the world.

[nineko]

I guess I would say Super > Daima > GT. I'll post my detailed thoughts in the relevant topics.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Although Ssj4 looked much better on adult Goku than it did on his kid variant, something is still off about it compared to GT's. I really like the shade of red they used for Daima's, but it really needed GT's black hair to better balance the colors. Also, the belt Goku has in GT would've helped with that. Now that I've seen Daima's Ssj4 in its fullest, I have to go with GT as having the superior design. I prefer the shade of red here, but GT's balance of colors mixed with how it was achieved makes it the superior version for me. With that said, Daima's version by far got the better fight scenes, as nothing in GT's entirety comes close to Ssj4's fights in Daima in terms of animation and choreography. All in all, whether you prefer GT's or Daima's, this is a major win for us Ssj4 fans.

One Piece.

I'll be starting the Whole Cake Island arc tomorrow; I can't wait.

[Rory]

For me, GT takes easy #1 spot, with Daima relatively far behind, and Super behind that.
GT felt like a true sequel, thorough character redesigns, a meaningful time skip, a really brave direction for the series to take (at that point in the franchise), an interesting choice of main characters and really cool creative concepts for where to take its primary arc. It still has the coolest conditions and build up to a transformation in the franchise. Wasn't executed as well as it should've been, but damn props for almost nailing it.
It even has a really fluid, well executed transition from its Dragon Ball hunt to the core 'serious antagonist' story. The antagonist itself is a really well sketched character, with a great motivation and isn't just another powerful guy. Everything after Baby mostly blows, sadly, but that alone allows it to stand tall for me above most of the other sequel stuff. That being said, GT also ends about as strong as a Dragon Ball story probably could.

Even with all that in mind - GT is still a middling sequel. It got really harsh criticism at the time due to how much of a quality drop off it is from 'Z', which it continues to deserve. It's just that the follow-ups are somehow even worse.

[BernardoCairo]

One Piece.

The way Oda panels the manga reminds me of Toyotaro

[Vegeta th3 4th]

One Piece.

The way Oda panels the manga reminds me of Toyotaro

Did you just compare Oda to Toyotaro ? The One Piece mob is marching towards your house as we speak. It was nice knowing you.

[ZeroNeonix]

IMO, Super is the best overall package. I have a lot of problems with it, but it's still the one I'm most likely to revisit. Plus, I genuinely enjoy the manga more than the anime.

GT, however, is completely insufferable, in my opinion. It was so bad that when it was localized for American audiences, they skipped a huge portion of it to try to get to the "good" part in the initial dub. Even during the great Dragon Ball drought, I could not stand to watch more than two episodes of it before losing interest.

Daima is just middle-of-the-road. What it does right, it does really well. It has the best animation quality of all three, and it's full of Toriyama's charm. However, the plot is first-draft garbage. They really should have spent more time ironing it out, instead of making it all up on the fly.

[ABED]

Super I enjoy. Not so interesting ideas executed pretty well most of the time. It's a fun show.

GT has a bunch of interesting ideas but not well executed. It's boring in my respects but I still enjoy it overall.

Daima was just bad. Boring story, Boring characters. I have no idea what the hell any of it meant. It didn't feel like Dragon Ball in the slightest.

[Fizzer]

All three have elements I enjoy.

With GT you could really feel the passage of time that's so inherent to Dragon Ball for me, the ending is wonderful, there's some really charming stuff but there's no good choreography whatsoever, some of the pacing is bad, Oob (Goku's successor!?) is totally sidestepped and Pan was done dirty too.

Super expands the world in the way that every previous arc did but GT didn't. It was probably the one that felt the most like just watching new DBZ but you had to ignore how much it felt like an advertisement. Super's slice of life episodes in particular are so much fun.

Daima also expanded the world nicely, and had amazing animation, choreography, vibes, but it's really just a short side story.

Ideally I'd love them to work together as one coherent continuity, and just have all three as a cohesive whole but that's never happening.

[Zephyr]

Eh, they're all ultimately mixed bags, each doing something I really liked that the others couldn't be bothered to do, or at least not as well.

Dragon Ball GT actually took place after the original comic's ending. A sequel, ideally, takes place after the story it is a sequel to. I know a prequel is a type of sequel, so it's not as if a sequel must take place after the thing it's a sequel to. But that's far and away my preference. One thing I always liked about watching DBZ on TV was how time kept moving forward, the characters continued to grow older, form new relationships, new children were born, kids grew up, etc. GT, for all of its faults, stayed true to that.

Dragon Ball Super actually cared about telling a story about fighting, about martial arts, about kung fu. The entire thrust of the narrative was characters training and learning new techniques, coming up with new ways to use their techniques, having ideological clashes with other martial artists, antagonists who were fundamentally changed as people by their interactions in the "ring" with Son Goku. One thing I like about Dragon Ball's original comic is the way Goku changes people, and the way the story is about characters wanting to fight each other, and the way their fights with each other serve to highlight and transform who they are as characters and people. Super, for all of its faults, stayed true to that. It also didn't turn Goku into a kid!

Dragon Ball Daima had really interesting lore and worldbuilding. It's not like I can't say the same for GT and Super, but Daima's just really did it for me in ways that of the other two did not. I liked seeing more information on the origins of the Namekians and the Kaioshin, and a legit creation story for the Dragon World (sorta; not like we know how the Demon Realm first formed). Daima, for all its faults, was fun to watch as someone with lorebeast brainrot.

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All that said: Super, despite having far and away the worst visual-presentation of all three, is probably my favorite. Ideal timeline placement and more interesting worldbuilding are great, but they aren't really substitutes for a story. And Super's story ain't perfect, but it was at least a martial arts story. And when it comes to a sequel to the Dragon Ball comic (which told a martial arts story), I'll take an imperfect story about martial arts over an imperfect story about Glorio and Arinsu, or whatever we might try to say GT's was overall about.

Honestly, is it really too much to ask to get a Dragon Ball sequel that's set after the original ending, doesn't turn Goku into a kid, and tells a story about martial arts?

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EDIT: And to clarify, by "Super" I mean the TV anime. I don't hate the manga, but for all the (well earned) flack Super's TV anime gets for flanderizing characters (especially Goku), it kept arguably the most important thing about him intact: him being at the forefront of martial prowess. That is essential to his arc in the original comic, and is part of the reason he has a revolving door of rivals throughout the story. Super's manga, however, has Goku describe himself as a "bad student" during the Tournament of Power, and Super Hero has him scoff at meditation for some reason; and if I remember right the manga tries to present Vegeta as having better ki control than him on Yardrat during the Moro arc. Pressing X to doubt on all of that!

But I'm also not gonna rank the Super manga or films as their own separate entities. They are optional, narratively-mixed, companion-pieces and supplements to the anime's story. After all, despite the bogus ToP line, Goku also whipped Destruction out of his ass against Zamasu, and that was both rad and on-point for the kind of talented bastard he is.

[Jack Bz]

Super manga > Daima > Super anime > GT

Super anime is one of the hardest things ever to judge. At it's best moments it's fantastic, at it's worst moments it's the worst Dragon Ball anime by miles. Nothing made me more depressed to be a Dragon Ball fan then getting super excited for a new Dragon Ball anime and then sitting through the Revival of F arc thinking "what am I actually watching"

[Skar]

I don't know about "best" sequel but the one I enjoyed most was probably Daima. The only real criticism I had were that some episodes were kinda slow but it's an overall short series so likely won't be a big deal for anyone bingewatching it. It was a fun adventure and I think avoided many common sequel issues the others had. When it comes to GT and Super, I'm only able to rewatch some highlights I enjoyed but never from start to finish again.

[ABED]

Interesting that a number of you bring up the lore and world building. That's one of the biggest reasons I found Daima boring. The worldbuilding felt out of place and made the world feel smaller.

[ZombieVito]

Interesting that a number of you bring up the lore and world building. That's one of the biggest reasons I found Daima boring. The worldbuilding felt out of place and made the world feel smaller.

It did became kinda ridiculous that so many things came from the Demon Realm. It definitely made things feel smaller.

[Mr Baggins]

Was going to post this in the other thread, but I think this one's a better topic because there are only 3 true post-Buu sequels.

From best to worst:

1. Dragon Ball Daima
This has everything I'm looking for when I engage with not just Dragon Ball, but any of Toriyama's work. The comedy is on its A game. The character writing is fantastic, complete with sufficient arcs that feel authentically Toriyama. The worldbuilding is consistently fun and actively sells an underlying theme. The adventure/JRPG tone feels in line with Toriyama's other modern projects. As a whole, Daima is a celebration of Toriyama's entire career as a comic artist in several ways, and even its weaker episodes have plenty of things to enjoy.

2. Dragon Ball Super
This would be at the bottom of the list if I'm just referring to the anime, but the manga and movies collectively make for a pretty competent follow-up to the Buu arc. The quality of the manga is inconsistent, though, and two of the four Toriyama scripted movies aren't exactly him at his best. Super is best enjoyed by picking and choosing its better arcs and moments, which is faint praise.

3. Dragon Ball GT
This is what happens when you take Koyama's crappy Z movies and turn them into a whole show. Its production values might be superior to that the Super anime's, but otherwise, this scrapes the bottom of the sequel barrel. Everything is absent of Toriyama's style and humor, and the characters and tone aren't in line with the original work at all. Every story arc is dull and pedestrian with a lot of forced character drama that has to mischaracterize the characters to work. Just irreparably trite all around, which is the last thing any Dragon Ball story should strive to be.

I'm glad these are all different continuities, though. Pick your favorite sequel timeline and enjoy!

[FoolsGil]

Yeah, I believe Daima is leagues better than Super and GT. Pacing. Consistency. ART. Nothing bats .1000 and if the goal is to find something that will ever match the splendor of Z, that ain't ever happening. But I like Daima. When I saw the first trailer bemoaned having hope again. But any faults it has, Daima didn't dash my hopes.

[Lord Beerus]

I had a lengthy and detailed post written, but it got lost when I wanted to submit it and I can't be bothered to write it all out again so I'll keep it brief:

GT provides the most definitive ending and brings about the most closure of any of Dragon Ball products post Toriyama's original run with the manga, but it's an absolute slog to get to that point.

Super, at least with the anime, suffered from too many chiefs in the kitchen and literally no pre-production phase but in spite of this was a fun but chaotic mess that produced some widely entertaining character dynamics and just enough narrative twists to keep you hooked in. Also, the DBS Broly movie remains the high point of the franchise from animation standpoint. The Super manga is a mixed bag with its (currently) exclusive arc but still a very fun read.

Daima is charming, whimsical and consistently well animated, but is also narratively vapid, devoid of any interesting character arcs and its world building and lore do nothing to enrich the cast from a characterisation standpoint. It feel like it would have better served a two hour movie rather than 20 episode anime with how it feels like there are only 5 episodes of plot in the 20 episodes of the show.

I'd go: Super (Anime/Movies + Manga) > GT > Daima

It all really comes down to which product has the least birth defects, in my opinion.

[YamiGoku]

1) Super

2) GT

Trash) Daima

[ZombieVito]

If we are tracking series then this would be mine:

DBS = DBZ > DB > SDBH > DBD > DBGT.

[SupremeKai25]

I'll cheat and split Super into two.

Late Super (Future Trunks and Tournament of Power sagas) > Daima > Early Super (Movie retellings and Universe 6 saga) >>> GT

I don't really feel like ranking Super all together when there's such a quality and writing gap between late and early Super.

Daima is way, way better than the movie retellings and the U6 saga, but it's also lamer and more boring than the FT and TOP sagas. GT is obviously at the bottom. I look at that series and I don't see the essence of what makes Dragon Ball Dragon Ball, which hardly surprises me since Toriyama didn't write it.