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JulieYBM wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:39 pmThe production committee decides not to create a violent cartoon so as to be able to market their product globally to children.
If that's the case then maybe they shouldn't be making a cartoon based on a violent manga.
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Please keep Yamamuro and away :) And please, for the love of Dende, do not rush production. And do not make Chi-Chi flanderized soccer mom.
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coola wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:21 pmPlease keep Yamamuro and away :)
Believe it or not he was actually involved with Daima, he just wasn't the guy in-charge. He can still do good work as long as he's not the one calling the shots.

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Post by BernardoCairo » Fri Mar 14, 2025 1:06 am

I would love to see a Dragon Ball remake in the style of the Super Hero intro. The remade scenes from the Boo saga look fantastic too, and I think a similar approach would work wonders.
Personally, I would prefer a beautiful, faithful remake that adapts the entire story from Chapter 1 to 519, rather than a new series. I wouldn't mind if the original jokes were kept, as I find them hilarious (especially in the early arcs), though I understand if some were cut.
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Post by Saiya6Cit » Fri Mar 14, 2025 11:19 pm

A mutilated version. A mere shade. A fraction only of the greatness that Toriyama amd the Toei from the 90s ever created. That is what that remake is going to be

Same way star wars fans are never getting the puppet version on Starwars in HD, we the DB fans will never get an HD uncut, uncensored version on OG DB, DBZ and DBGT. Or so it seems.

DB does not need a remake anime. Maybe another anniversary movie or rather a series of them, twice released each year until they complete all OG DB like in 6 movies. Then see if maybe DBZ would be next.

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Saiya6Cit wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 11:19 pmA mutilated version. A mere shade. A fraction only of the greatness that Toriyama amd the Toei from the 90s ever created. That is what that remake is going to be. DB does not need a remake anime.
I've always believed that the original adaption of the manga (DB & Z) is more than good enough as it is. It would be far cheaper to give us a proper remaster and color corrected version instead. The first thing that fans worry about (as they should) when it comes to a remake is all the censorship that could potentially take place. However, there are other issues that are just as important. The voice acting for example will be nowhere near as good as the classic series. The soundtrack of the modern era has never fit DB as well as Kikuchi and Kageyama's work did, and most importantly will be the loss of filler that actually improved the story.
BernardoCairo wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 1:06 amI would prefer a beautiful, faithful remake that adapts the entire story from Chapter 1 to 519, rather than a new series.
A remake would be nowhere near faithful to the original manga nor the classic adaption (DB & Z). Every joke that could be interpreted as inappropriate would be gone, there wouldn't be a single drop of blood, and every painful injury would be severely toned down. Dragon Ball today is far too commercialized for them to risk upsetting a single person, so you can bet that they'll play it as safe as possible. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if death itself was removed all together and replaced with characters just being in a "deep sleep" that can only be reversed with the dragon balls.

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Post by AliTheZombie13 » Sat Mar 15, 2025 9:20 am

The very first thing I would worry about in a remake, whatever remake, would be if the intent, messages and nuances pay respect to the original story. The very second thing I would worry about is, "Is it good? Am I having fun with this?"

The very last thing I would worry about is, "Are we gonna see Bulma's panties? Is Goku getting his kid body naked? Are Black, Popo and Blue still gonna be offensive stereotypes of minorities? Are we gonna see blood and gore? Is Freeza gonna have his guts out this time?"

Well, Path to Power exists, Super and Daima exist, and the answer to most of these is, "No."
And that's okay, Dragon Ball was never supposed to be Mortal Kombat, or a racist/sexist/homophobic manifesto, and that's not to speak of its worst aspects. And if "fans" have a problem with these elements being removed, they never really understood Dragon Ball to begin with.
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AliTheZombie13 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 9:20 am The very first thing I would worry about in a remake, whatever remake, would be if the intent, messages and nuances pay respect to the original story. The very second thing I would worry about is, "Is it good? Am I having fun with this?"

The very last thing I would worry about is, "Are we gonna see Bulma's panties? Is Goku getting his kid body naked? Are Black, Popo and Blue still gonna be offensive stereotypes of minorities? Are we gonna see blood and gore? Is Freeza gonna have his guts out this time?"

Well, Path to Power exists, Super and Daima exist, and the answer to most of these is, "No."
And that's okay, Dragon Ball was never supposed to be Mortal Kombat, or a racist/sexist/homophobic manifesto, and that's not to speak of its worst aspects. And if "fans" have a problem with these elements being removed, they never really understood Dragon Ball to begin with.
All this is well said.

I also don't think Dragon Ball has to necessarily get rid of all its risqué elements.

Blue can be a stereotypical gay man without being a pedo (as in the one scene of the anime) or his actions framed as "haha look at this f slur" see Whis.

Roshi can be a randy old man without being a sex pest. Update him watching jazzercise on tv to watching Hot Mom Yoga and Hot Woman Pilates on YouTube. Have him give Bulma the dragon ball because he can't resist saying no to a pretty girl

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Post by AliTheZombie13 » Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:22 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:10 am All this is well said.

I also don't think Dragon Ball has to necessarily get rid of all its risqué elements.

Blue can be a stereotypical gay man without being a pedo (as in the one scene of the anime) or his actions framed as "haha look at this f slur" see Whis.

Roshi can be a randy old man without being a sex pest. Update him watching jazzercise on tv to watching Hot Mom Yoga and Hot Woman Pilates on YouTube. Have him give Bulma the dragon ball because he can't resist saying no to a pretty girl
I don't necessarily think they need to get rid of most of it either, nor would I be offended and denounce the product as garbage immediately if it gets toned down.

For example, I don't think blood and gore in a kids' show is that bad of a sin and should be removed at all costs, but this is a new time and era, there are stricter laws in Japan concerning this type of stuff. Hell, I didn't like that decapitations were removed from the Resident Evil remake, a game marketed as for adults, but I understand that it's what the devs could work with given the new restrictions in place. Resident Evil Remake is still a goat product regardless.

Back to Dragon Ball: Including these elements would mean Toei/whoever is at the top would have to raise DB's age rating and sacrifice their precious time-slot, which let's be real here, ain't going to happen. Just like it wouldn't happen 40 years ago if the same restrictions existed. Dragon Ball is, and has always been, a product made to entertain little kids while the people behind it profit. That we got "fun stuff" like blood, black humor and sex jokes out of it was just incidental and doesn't affect the story in the slightest.

So yeah, it's getting "censored," whether we like it or not. Best to accept it now with open arms and hope to appreciate what they can get away with than to throw your arms up in the air and wallow in sadness that a kids show isn't catering to you.
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Post by BernardoCairo » Sat Mar 15, 2025 11:40 am

AliTheZombie13 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 9:20 amAnd if "fans" have a problem with these elements being removed, they never really understood Dragon Ball to begin with.
I agree 100%! That's why I wouldn't mind if some things were removed, even if I personally like them.
I guess my desire for a full adaptation of the manga is a bit idealistic, of course. But if they can recreate the pacing and amazing art of the original product, that would be enough for me.
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AliTheZombie13 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 9:20 amDragon Ball was never supposed to be Mortal Kombat, or a racist/sexist/homophobic manifesto, and that's not to speak of its worst aspects. And if "fans" have a problem with these elements being removed, they never really understood Dragon Ball to begin with.
Where do you draw the line regarding what can and can't be removed in a remake ? What would they have to remove from the original manga or its two adaptions (DB & Z) that would make you say they shouldn't have bothered remaking it if they were going to remove (insert here) ? For me, I wouldn't mind all scenes of naked characters getting removed, nor would I mind them removing uncomfortable gags like Roshi shrinking himself and hiding in the bathroom.

Where I draw the line is with the fights. Dragon Ball is a show focused primarily on fights, so naturally I expect the fights to have weight behind them. If you're going to tell me that (insert characters here) are fighting to the death, then I expect to see some painful hits. The biggest issue I have with the modern fights is how light they feel; there's no weight behind anything going on. Tien kicking Roshi and Goku in the neck during the 22nd Tenkaichi was far more painful than anything we got in the modern material.

If you're going to remake a show about fighting, but decide to remove all painful scenes related to the fights, then what's the point of remaking it ?

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Vegeta th3 4th wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:11 pm
AliTheZombie13 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 9:20 amDragon Ball was never supposed to be Mortal Kombat, or a racist/sexist/homophobic manifesto, and that's not to speak of its worst aspects. And if "fans" have a problem with these elements being removed, they never really understood Dragon Ball to begin with.
Where do you draw the line regarding what can and can't be removed in a remake ? What would they have to remove from the original manga or its two adaptions (DB & Z) that would make you say they shouldn't have bothered remaking it if they were going to remove (insert here) ? For me, I wouldn't mind all scenes of naked characters getting removed, nor would I mind them removing uncomfortable gags like Roshi shrinking himself and hiding in the bathroom.

Where I draw the line is with the fights. Dragon Ball is a show focused primarily on fights, so naturally I expect the fights to have weight behind them. If you're going to tell me that (insert characters here) are fighting to the death, then I expect to see some painful hits. The biggest issue I have with the modern fights is how light they feel; there's no weight behind anything going on. Tien kicking Roshi and Goku in the neck during the 22nd Tenkaichi was far more painful than anything we got in the modern material.

If you're going to remake a show about fighting, but decide to remove all painful scenes related to the fights, then what's the point of remaking it ?
I'm not Ali, but: The racism, sexism and homophobia should be left unincluded in future adaptions of Dragon Ball. I do not need to see a cartoon unironically peddling that shit, let alone one supposedly being aimed at kids.
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Vegeta th3 4th wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:11 pm Where do you draw the line regarding what can and can't be removed in a remake? What would they have to remove from the original manga or its two adaptions (DB & Z) that would make you say they shouldn't have bothered remaking it if they were going to remove (insert here)?
Usually, when I'm watching a remake, the only rule I give it is to not fuck up with the original's messages and intentions.

One example: The Powerpuff Girls reboot's removal of Ms. Bellum. In the original, Ms. Bellum was eye candy, yes. But she was also extremely smart and the real brains behind The Mayor. She was also a feminist icon, often giving the girls advice and moral support. The message the original creators intended for Ms. Bellum was that women can be smart, strong and sexy. The reboot looked at her character and went, "Nah, this will likely offend people." That's something I find inexcusable, as Ms. Bellum was an integral part of the original Powerpuff Girls and had a good message behind her.

Now, with Dragon Ball. I would not give a single fuck if they, for example, do a GT remake and remove all the creepy scenes with Pan. In fact, I would applaud whoever is remaking it for removing these scenes. Because they have no message, they exist as eye candy for creepy-ass people and that's it. GT's story of consequence, war, racism and revenge, what measure makes a living being, and not relying on magic to make your dreams come true would absolutely not suffer in the slightest if these elements were removed.

Likewise, I never got the impression that blood and gore were must-have, 100% essential elements for Dragon Ball's storytelling. If they were, Toriyama would have fought tooth and nail to keep them in, as he did to make Goku grow up into an adult. But here's the thing: He didn't. He saw that Dragon Ball was getting "censored" in the revival era and was perfectly fine with it.

That's because, again, Dragon Ball isn't Mortal Kombat, it isn't all that interested in showing blood and gore to the audience, the main point about it is being an affectionate parody of Kung Fu movies that were popular and fondly remembered by the author back in the 80's. That's already pretty damn impossible to replicate these days. Dragon Ball is very much a product of its time. But the people behind it don't care, this remake is eventually going to happen.

For me, the thing that would 100% scare me away from the remake is if they boggle down Dragon Ball's core messages: There will always be someone stronger, don't let your ego get to the best of you; Self-improvement is good, but keep your impulses in check; There is no magic that makes your dreams come true, you're the one who makes them come true; With enough hard work and dedication, anyone can get to the top; Never look back, always keep looking forward.

The blood and the gore are completely irrelevant to these, just as they were in the OG anime. Sadly, I have a depressing feeling that the people behind it will ignore all of the above and just focus on "Pew pew, boom boom, look how cool Super Saiyan is" and leave it at that, if Super and Daima are any indication, but only time can tell.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Mar 15, 2025 5:21 pm

AliTheZombie13 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 5:05 pm
Vegeta th3 4th wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:11 pm Where do you draw the line regarding what can and can't be removed in a remake? What would they have to remove from the original manga or its two adaptions (DB & Z) that would make you say they shouldn't have bothered remaking it if they were going to remove (insert here)?
Usually, when I'm watching a remake, the only rule I give it is to not fuck up with the original's messages and intentions.

One example: The Powerpuff Girls reboot's removal of Ms. Bellum. In the original, Ms. Bellum was eye candy, yes. But she was also extremely smart and the real brains behind The Mayor. She was also a feminist icon, often giving the girls advice and moral support. The message the original creators intended for Ms. Bellum was that women can be smart, strong and sexy. The reboot looked at her character and went, "Nah, this will likely offend people." That's something I find inexcusable, as Ms. Bellum was an integral part of the original Powerpuff Girls and had a good message behind her.
This is the first I am learning of this lack of Ms. Bellum in the reboot.

Like, damn girl, hire a queer woman and ask her if Ms. Bellum is offensive or not, holy shit.
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JulieYBM wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:35 pmThe racism, sexism and homophobia should be left unincluded in future adaptions of Dragon Ball. I do not need to see a cartoon unironically peddling that shit, let alone one supposedly being aimed at kids.
I would have no issues if these were the only things that got removed.
AliTheZombie13 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 5:05 pmFor me, the thing that would 100% scare me away from the remake is if they boggle down Dragon Ball's core messages: There will always be someone stronger, don't let your ego get to the best of you; Self-improvement is good, but keep your impulses in check; There is no magic that makes your dreams come true, you're the one who makes them come true; With enough hard work and dedication, anyone can get to the top; Never look back, always keep looking forward. The blood and the gore are completely irrelevant to these, just as they were in the OG anime.
Although I agree about the part of Dragon Ball's core messages, a series about fighting still needs to have fights with weight behind them. Modern DB's fights feel very tame compared to the original; nothing feels impactful. #18 breaking Vegeta's arm was a major wake up call for him, would that kind of painful injury be kept in a remake ? I honestly don't know. Tien breaking Yamcha's leg was equally painful looking, which established his character as someone wanting to hurt people, not just win matches. Would that be kept ?

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Vegeta th3 4th wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 5:22 pm Although I agree about the part of Dragon Ball's core messages, a series about fighting still needs to have fights with weight behind them. Modern DB's fights feel very tame compared to the original; nothing feels impactful. #18 breaking Vegeta's arm was a major wake up call for him, would that kind of painful injury be kept in a remake ? I honestly don't know. Tien breaking Yamcha's leg was equally painful looking, which established his character as someone wanting to hurt people, not just win matches. Would that be kept ?
I can't predict the future, and I don't know if broken bones will be kept in in this new era of less lax rules for kids' cartoons in Japan, they're kind of in a grey zone.

What I do know is, the powers that be will likely not raise DB's age rating to make room for its more brutal elements and they will keep going in the same direction they went with Super and Daima, so if you watch Dragon Ball for these, then keep your expectations low.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Mar 15, 2025 5:48 pm

I believe Ajay mentioned that for the internationally-primed Daima they were not allowed to make the blood move, so they could show blood, only only if it was on someone's body and wasn't flowing or whathaveyou. I imagine that it would be the same situation for a future retelling.

Of course, I'm an adult, so I'd just suggest making a second animated adaption for adults and including a bunch of blood and shit, but I suspect that won't happen lol
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AliTheZombie13 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 5:05 pm One example: The Powerpuff Girls reboot's removal of Ms. Bellum. In the original, Ms. Bellum was eye candy, yes. But she was also extremely smart and the real brains behind The Mayor. She was also a feminist icon, often giving the girls advice and moral support. The message the original creators intended for Ms. Bellum was that women can be smart, strong and sexy. The reboot looked at her character and went, "Nah, this will likely offend people." That's something I find inexcusable, as Ms. Bellum was an integral part of the original Powerpuff Girls and had a good message behind her.
Not only did the 2016 PPG reboot get rid of Ms. Bellum completely, but it also made itself into a TTG clone, making the reboot inferior to the original 1998 cartoon.
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AliTheZombie13 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 5:05 pm

One example: The Powerpuff Girls reboot's removal of Ms. Bellum. In the original, Ms. Bellum was eye candy, yes. But she was also extremely smart and the real brains behind The Mayor. She was also a feminist icon, often giving the girls advice and moral support. The message the original creators intended for Ms. Bellum was that women can be smart, strong and sexy. The reboot looked at her character and went, "Nah, this will likely offend people." That's something I find inexcusable, as Ms. Bellum was an integral part of the original Powerpuff Girls and had a good message behind her.

Let's also not forget they flattened Ms.Keane's chest, and had an episode with the girls twerking. Those things plus getting rid of Bellum for being "too adult and sexy" ,despite like you said being far more than T&A in the original show, does not give the best impression of the show's staff or their intentions..

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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:25 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:04 pm
AliTheZombie13 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 5:05 pm

One example: The Powerpuff Girls reboot's removal of Ms. Bellum. In the original, Ms. Bellum was eye candy, yes. But she was also extremely smart and the real brains behind The Mayor. She was also a feminist icon, often giving the girls advice and moral support. The message the original creators intended for Ms. Bellum was that women can be smart, strong and sexy. The reboot looked at her character and went, "Nah, this will likely offend people." That's something I find inexcusable, as Ms. Bellum was an integral part of the original Powerpuff Girls and had a good message behind her.

Let's also not forget they flattened Ms.Keane's chest, and had an episode with the girls twerking. Those things plus getting rid of Bellum for being "too adult and sexy" ,despite like you said being far more than T&A in the original show, does not give the best impression of the show's staff or their intentions..
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