Which is the better Goku from GT, DBS anime/manga and Daima

[coola]

Modern Super Goku is bigger retard than Abridged one, and affected by Toriyama silly "Goku is not hero" comment.

GT Goku can be childish, but is more in line with old manga Goku, i doubt Super Goku would be willing to made such sacrifice like this Goku did at end of GT...

[SupremeKai25]

Modern Super Goku is bigger retard than Abridged one, and affected by Toriyama silly "Goku is not hero" comment.

GT Goku can be childish, but is more in line with old manga Goku, i doubt Super Goku would be willing to made such sacrifice like this Goku did at end of GT...

His "sacrifice" at the end of GT? When he pushed Vegeta out of Omega Shenron's blast radius, tried to tank it, and got himself killed/turned into a ghost/merged with Shenron? (the final stretch of GT doesn't have any logical explanation btw, yet rule of cool > logic is a problem only when Super does it)

Goku in the FT saga tried to do something similar. Not in one specific moment, but throughout the whole arc. As he tells Future Trunks, he and Vegeta insist on fighting Black themselves so that, if the worst comes to pass, Trunks and Mai can get away and carry on their people's legacy. That is why Trunks and Mai initially try to stay in the backline while Goku and Vegeta move ahead to confront Black.

[super michael]

Technically Anime DBS Goku can't use UI at will, he hasn't been able to use it after the ToP.
Manga DBS Goku is the one who can use it at will and can do things anime Goku can't. Manga Goku can auto harden and use his giant avatar. DBS Manga I agree he is extremely smart at fighting.
In GT Goku defense he didn't have anyone to teach him after being in Other World for seven years. Goku created his Dragon Fist and 10x Kamehameha which are great feats. Goku exploited Super 17 weakness, which is something a smart fighter does.

Regardless what Piccolo Jr goal was, Piccolo Jr and Goku were in a official tournament for the title. Goku didn't want to lose the title again.
Against Freeza Goku had 3 reasons for why he let him reach 100%, it was to fight the stronger person in the universe, avenge Kuririn who couldn't be revived and break Freeza pride by a Saiyan no less. As for Goku giving Cell a senzu bean, I have no counter to that. The same applies to Goku destroying the Potara before his fight against Kid Buu, however Goku regretted his decision later on.

For the Broly movie, when Goku realized that he forgot the Senzu Bean, why didn't he use IT to teleport before the fight? Even if Goku doesn't eat the senzu bean, it is good to have in emergency.

- It doesn't matter, he still unlocked the full technique in half an hour, while the GoDs haven't, ever. There's no undermining that.
Julie provided a great example of Anime Goku being creative as fuck. Learning from his friends' technique and making Jiren, THE greatest martial artist, fall into his trap.

- Goku was the pinnacle of stupidity vs S-17.
Finding the weakness in S-17 was something he should've discovered 2 episodes before. Calling him smart because he ended up realising the sun was up is like pretending a teenager that was held back two years in school and finally understood how to add and subtrack is now a genius...
KKHx10 is just more power granted by the new form. He didn't even unlock that form on his own, unlike SSB.

- I might not be making myself clear, I apologize. The reasons why Goku did this or that in any particular moment are irrelevant, we all know why he did each of them.
The jist of it is that all of those decisions stem from the poison Toriyama talked about. His desire to fight and enjoy himself to the max, whether is letting Vegeta go, letting Freeza or Ribrianne power up, or letting Ma Jr. hit him back is not due to the motivation at that given time or because he is dUmB, it's not because he is too thick to understand that's not the best route; it's due to how he is. A risky fuck that wants to test himself in Very Hard Mode, and doesn't care for bland fights.

- He survived Jiren without s-beans, of course some guy powering up and making SS Vegeta sweat is not going to make him go run for the hills. Might as well call him dumb because he never asked Shenron or Ro Kaioshin to unlock his full potential, or for not doing the Power of Friendship trick done in the M8, in every dire situation he's been.

Just to be clear, only in the fighting department I find him a genius in the anime, when he is not fighting he is usually too annoying for my taste. While in GT, it's the other way around, but I cannot stomach a Goku that is a moron in the one thing he excels at.

Your are right that Goku unlocking UI and the way he used the ki bomb and even Kienzu was great. Goku learning techniques and strategies from his friends and foes is a great trait.

Against Super 17 Goku realized that he couldn't absorb and tank physical attack. I am aware that Goku wasn't smart spamming ki blast at him and not realizing that Super 17 was absorbing his ki.
However how Goku faked his defeat against Naturon Shenron was a smart trick. He was able to defeat him without sacrificing Pan.

I know it is Toriyama decision in how the characters act, but it is good to talk about in-universe discussion. As for Goku letting Vegeta go, Goku himself is aware that he is wrong and selfish. He even regrets that decision when he heard Vegeta was on Namek.
As for letting Freeza go, he didn't want to see him ever again, so he wasn't thinking of having a rematch against him.
I agree that Goku does want to make it very hard mode at times.

In DBS Goku anime considered the idea of letting Elder Kaioshin unlock his potential, I would say that was smart. However they didn't have enough time. Goku isn't known to get his potential unlock, unless he really needs it like against Piccolo Daimao (Ultra Divine Water) and Beerus (SSG Ritual).
As for getting the Senzu Bean, with IT that would take less than 1 minute to teleport to Karin Tower and back to the battle.

I have to agree with you that Goku is a fighting genius in DBS both anime and manga.