Vegeta and Goku's Training Regimen/Methods

[Pieter]

Here is one that always made me angry with Toryiama, Vegeta goes into the ROSAT twice, yet isn't as strong as goku, who goes in once. How the hell does that make any sense? It's not like goku was way stronger than vegeta when they both went in for the first time, infact at that point Vegeta is considered the strongest Sayia-jin if I recall correctly. And why wouldn't Vegeta attempt to reach the Full power SSJ1 state? It just doesn't make sense.

We don't really know if Vegeta was already the strongest Saiyan before that. Vegeta recovered from a beatdown by an android, and Goku recovered from the heart Virus that almost killed him.

The time spend in the ROSAT is indeed double for Vegeta, however Goku and Gohan were the one's able to reach a 'new level' in which they never left super saiyan state.

[Vegard Aune]

The time spend in the ROSAT is indeed double for Vegeta, however Goku and Gohan were the one's able to reach a 'new level' in which they never left super saiyan state.

That's true, but Vegeta could just as easily have tried to reach that level during his second time in there. He DID know about it, afterall...

[mAcChaos]

Vegeta trains harder, but Goku trains smarter; Vegeta said as much during their Majin battle.

[Phenomenol]

That's true, but Vegeta could just as easily have tried to reach that level during his second time in there. He DID know about it, afterall...

The keyword is "KNOW." Vegeta had seen the FULL-POWER SUPER SAIYA-JIN but did not know about it. Otherwise he too would have attained this state. Goku in that saga showed better brilliance than Vegeta.

Goku in my opinion had better training than Vegeta did. All of those times Goku dying and going to heaven to get some special training has given him the edge over Vegeta. Hell, Goku achieved the Super Saiya-jin 3 state in heaven while Vegeta was left behind.

Tell you the truth, I don't even think Vegeta's Super Saiya-jin 2 mode was a s strong as Goku's until he became Majin Vegeta for an extra power-up.

[zoiozazu]

Well, I see like this:

Child Goku and Vegeta:

Despite Vegeta travelling to planets with gravities stronger than Goku, i think Goku had more chalenges fighting with guys stronger than him, and off course, he could evolve more and more.

When Goku fights with Vegeta:

Well, despite all training, Goku was not enough to Vegeta. If Vegta hasn't killed Nappa and Krillin and Gohan hasn't came to help, the Earth would probably be destroyed.

Freeza Arc:

Well, just one thing to say: Goku was the legendary SuperSaiyajin. So, if we look just based in this, there's no way Vegeta follow him.

Cell:

Ah, I believe that during the Cell Games Goku and Vegeta had very similar power levels...

Then Goku dies, and in the other world, he Becomes SSJ2 and SJJ3. That happened because the training in the other world is more effective or because Goku is reaaaly the true SSJ?

No one knows...Maybe Toriyama.

[Kaboom]

Cell:

Ah, I believe that during the Cell Games Goku and Vegeta had very similar power levels...

On the contrary...

GOKU: hay guyz chek out mah 50% powah lolz! POWERUP BOOM

VEGETA: ZOMGWTF!?!?! O_O;

GOHAN: lol wut?

[Mr.Piccolo]

Without giving a lot of examples, there's a few simple answers I can give you. First off, there wouldn't be some sort of genetic advantage with Vegeta because he's a prince. Second, one of the themes of DragonBall is the whole strength comes from hard work and team work stuff.

Vegeta was never a team player and...Vegeta isn't Goku. I mean, Goku's the main character and he's gonna have to be the strongest for the most part. I dunno, there's also rumors about Toriyama not liking Vegeta which you can take into consideration but that's for a different topic..
-Rick

[Rocketman]

Cell:

Ah, I believe that during the Cell Games Goku and Vegeta had very similar power levels...

On the contrary...

GOKU: hay guyz chek out mah 50% powah lolz! POWERUP BOOM

VEGETA: ZOMGWTF!?!?! O_O;

GOHAN: lol wut?

That was before Vegeta trained a second time. Given how he was once again confident at the Games, he had surpassed Goku's 50% (which he believed to be Goku's max).

[Kaboom]

Cell:

Ah, I believe that during the Cell Games Goku and Vegeta had very similar power levels...

On the contrary...

GOKU: hay guyz chek out mah 50% powah lolz! POWERUP BOOM

VEGETA: ZOMGWTF!?!?! O_O;

GOHAN: lol wut?

That was before Vegeta trained a second time. Given how he was once again confident at the Games, he had surpassed Goku's 50% (which he believed to be Goku's max).

Yeah, but then he was STILL flabbergasted at the Cell Game when Goku showed his real maximum.

...And quit raining on my funny parade.

[Jamstar]

I listened to Vegeta's speech in the Funi dub on Cartoon Network when he said Goku is number 1 among other things. For the manga and Japanese version of the anime, is Vegeta's speech even better than the Funi dub, or is it the same?

Also, I didn't really understand his speech. How did he explain that Goku was number 1 and will always be stronger,better?

[Phenomenol]

Goku with his full-power Super Saiya-jin form was stronger than Vegeta, even after he had trained a second time. Hell, Gohan was stronger than Vegeta during the Cell Games.

[Kaboom]

Hell, Gohan was stronger than Vegeta during the Cell Games.

No surprise there, as Gohan was stronger than everybody at that point. Vegeta was practically wetting himself when Gohan went SSj2. Viz even gave him teeth-chattering and shivering SFX in one panel.

[Phenomenol]

Oh, sorry I wasn't clear enough. I meant that full-power Super Saiya-jin Gohan was stronger than Vegeta.

[Rocketman]

Oh, sorry I wasn't clear enough. I meant that full-power Super Saiya-jin Gohan was stronger than Vegeta.

He was stronger than Goku too.

[Steven Perry]

Vegeta trained very hard and was very obsessed with surpassing Goku at any and all costs. Therefore, why couldn't he ever close the gap between him and Goku?

I've got a theory:

Goku eats more than Vegeta.

No matter how hard you train, you ain't gonna get stronger if you don't eat the right foods.

Who knows what kind of crap Vegeta ate on his travels to distant planets to surpass Goku. Probably nothing.

As you can see from Figure 1, Goku is stuffing his face with multiple plates of... stuff. In Figure 2, Vegeta is only eating a sausage.



Figure 1: Goku is eating lots of stuff.



Figure 2: Vegeta is eating merely a sausage.

[QuantumDestiny]

But what about Piccolo? He doesn't eat anything at all and he can get stronger... but if it's just for Saiya-jin, then Gohan didn't eat anything in the tournament there.

[Prince Vegeta]

But what about Piccolo? He doesn't eat anything at all and he can get stronger... but if it's just for Saiya-jin, then Gohan didn't eat anything in the tournament there.

I think @Steven Perry was just joking or maybe he wasn't.

[Conan the SSJ]

But what about Piccolo? He doesn't eat anything at all and he can get stronger... but if it's just for Saiya-jin, then Gohan didn't eat anything in the tournament there.

But he did, he just got there late with Videl (to which Kuririn joked XD). I doubt he ate as much as Vegeta and Goku, but he definitely ate a lot. ^^

[Iyouboushi]

Might have already been mentioned, but I'll bring it up anyway.

Someone asked why Gokuu came out stronger than Vejita from the ROSAT even though he only went in once. I think it's because Vejita was focused only on brute strength. Quite simply, Gokuu is smarter. Vejita reached the ultra stage (or whatever it's called, SSJ 1.5) where it was really bulky and strong but too slow to be used effectively. Gokuu mentions (though I don't remember where) that he reached that stage and realized the drawback and decided to focus on something else. He was smart enough to know that it wouldn't work, especially against someone like Cell. Vejita was cocky enough to believe it would work and didn't try to surpass the limitations.

It could also be because Gokuu has something to protect (earth, his family, his friends) whereas Vejita only trains to become better than his rival. It seems like in a typical shounen manga, the ones who have something to protect are always stronger than those who don't.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Someone asked why Gokuu came out stronger than Vejita from the ROSAT even though he only went in once. I think it's because Vejita was focused only on brute strength. Quite simply, Gokuu is smarter. Vejita reached the ultra stage (or whatever it's called, SSJ 1.5) where it was really bulky and strong but too slow to be used effectively. Gokuu mentions (though I don't remember where) that he reached that stage and realized the drawback and decided to focus on something else. He was smart enough to know that it wouldn't work, especially against someone like Cell. Vejita was cocky enough to believe it would work and didn't try to surpass the limitations.

Eh, small counterpoint:

Vejita reached USSJ, the bulkier but still powerful and fast variant of SSJ1, but never displayed the USSJ2 form while fighting. Trunks, on the other hand, displayed USSJ2 and noted that Vejita probably didn't use the form because he realized it was useless due to the speed deficiency. So, if Trunks is right, Vejita did know that the USSJ2 form was flawed.

I've always been curious, though, as to why Vejita (or Trunks) wouldn't opt to follow Goku and Gohan's example and make SSJ their "base" esssentially, and the best answer I can come up with is that Vejita would refuse to follow a low-level Saiyan's lead and opted instead to do it his way. Trunks, trying to earn his father's respect, would do the same.

It could also be because Gokuu has something to protect (earth, his family, his friends) whereas Vejita only trains to become better than his rival. It seems like in a typical shounen manga, the ones who have something to protect are always stronger than those who don't.

Exactly. Sheer determination and desire to protect, while working only to surpass his limits, are the factors that allowed Goku to be more powerful that Vejita.

-Corey