Tales from the Daizenshuu

Tatsunoboshi Horoko · Post by **Tatsunoboshi Horoko** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:35 am

I think I've seen that phrase more commonly translated as "In the name of" (sort of like how ～の名の下に or ～の名において translate out to.)

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:56 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:It would be neat to see some scans on the character designs and ideas Toriyama provided for the TV series. Could you provide some?

We have some of the character designs up on our regular "Character Designs" page, and apparently I updated it at some point with a good deal of the movie character designs... although I still need to add in the movie 7 ones, which Julian gave me the translations for years ago.

As mentioned, Son Gokû Densetsu has a couple hints at his TV series designs, such as:

Post by **Herms** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:56 pm

Kikoha Hater wrote:I was hoping if you could answer a few attack question since the Ultimate DBZ Information Site lacks vital info on some of the attacks that was listed. I’ve been wondering if this “Isa o Hasahusa Tobatsu” was the whirlwind breath that Freeza used on those three namekian warriors. What is this “Kamino Bashi Waza” that Cashyu uses, I can only assume it was where he lets his hair grow to strangle Gohan technique and if Double Attack refer to that combined Ki attack they Sail and Tado used on Gohan. Is Janemba’s Nindouriki the attack where he fires off all those beams, and what is this “Setsu Toku”, Chou Keekai, and Finish Flash. Does the really Daizenshuu shed any light on these questions? I would very much appreciate it .

Unfortunately, I can’t help you with any of that right now, because I didn’t take any notes from 7’s attack guide. I’ll have to look them up over Christmas break.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:00 pm

Daizenshuu 3: TV Animation Part 1

Man, when I said I had nothing on this one, I wasn’t kidding. It’s not that there’s no information in it. It contains a detailed summary of the anime, from episode 1 of Dragon Ball to somewhere around episode 70 of Dragon Ball Z. However, if you’re on this forum I’m guessing you already know the show’s story pretty well. This daizenshuu also contains some of the black and white images that were used as models by the animators (what are these things called, anyway?), which are all neat but aren’t really information.

So what do I have? Well, on p.137 it gives the lyrics to Makafushigi Adventure, and for the “let’s fly fly fly” part, it has it written out in English letters, only instead it says: “Let’s fry fry fry”.

I thought it was pretty funny.

And that’s pretty much it for Daizenshuu 3. Don’t get me wrong: I’d recommend this book to anyone. It’s filled with amazing pictures and really neat character design model. It’s just that if you want information not found in the series, this isn’t the right one. Unless I missed something, which is entirely possible.

edit: Old Scan Tucker was a fat old man, washed his face with a fryin pan, combed his hair with a wagon wheel, and died with a tooth ache in his heel!

Kikoha Hater · Post by **Kikoha Hater** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:30 pm

Okay then, thank you Herms. Can't wait for next amazing Daizenshuu info.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:30 pm

Daizenshuu 6: Movies and TV Specials

So obviously this one goes over all of the movies and TV specials. It’s very similar to the anime guides in format, with recaps of each movie illustrated with the same kind of flashy pictures. However, it has a lot more ‘extras’ than the animation guides, which makes me happy.

At the beginning of each DBZ movie’s section, they have the movie’s cover and a timeline of where the movie occurred in relation to the main storyline. Now, as countless unending forum threads have shown us, the movies generally don’t fit into the continuity of the main storyline. The daizenshuu notes this, bringing up all the same points we’re familiar with by now. For instance, with Movie 2 (p.52) it says that it must take place after the battle with Vegeta, due to Goku having the Kaiou mark on his gi. However, it also notes that everyone should be on Namek instead of Earth.

After every three movies or so, it has two pages where it goes over the various paraphernalia made for each movie: posters, special pamphlets, and other stuff. Apparently, those who attended the movie’s screening got some of these nick-knacks, which sometimes provided background information. The pamphlet for DBZ Movies 12 explained about the Anoyo, who King Enma is, who Freeza is, etc.

The daizenshuu also sometimes notes here what other features the movies were screened with. For instance, DBZ Movie 3 was shown with animated adaptations of Pink and Kennosuke-sama, both one-shot manga by Toriyama (p.68).

An interesting thing I found concerns DB Movie 2’s name. In Japanese it’s written: 魔神城のねむり姫 (‘The Sleeping Princess of Majin Castle’). Note how they use the word ‘majin’ (translated to ‘devil’ for the English version), the same word used for Buu…sort of. See, there are two ways of writing ‘majin’ in kanji: 魔神 and 魔人. The second character in the first one is the character for ‘god’ (it’s the same kanji used to write Kami’s name). The second character in the other one is the character for ‘person’. The two different ‘majin’ have different nuances, but in order to go into them properly I’d probably need to start a whole different thread. Anyway, the majin of DB Movie 2 are 魔神, while Majin Buu is a 魔人. The character models for the different majin in Movie 2 label them as 魔神 A, 魔神 B, and 魔神 C.

Daizenshuu 6 also has the character designs for movie villains that Toriyama drew on pp.182-186, and damn it all if Daizenshuu EX didn’t completely scoop me. They’ve got almost all of them scanned in on their Character Designs page . They still don’t have the ones Toriyama drew for the Movie 7 androids up yet, as Mike said above. Note how the character designs for Dr. Uiro say that in Toriyama’s original design, Dr. Uiro’s brain didn’t take up the whole compartment, whereas in the anime character model it did. The daizenshuu wonders whether this means the brain evolved.

On p.160 it has some early drawings for the 10th Anniversary Movie, which was still in development at the time. What’s interesting is that Black’s design looks more or less the same as it did in the manga, while in the actual movie he ended up looking completely different. It also shows Red with white hair. Was he like that in the movie? I can’t remember…

I’d like to close by noting the ‘Veku’ is the official name for fat Gogeta, and not just something made up in Funi’s dub of the movie, as some people still seem to think. Fat Goteta’s character model on p.189 is labeled as ‘Veku’, and one of the Kaiou does call him that in the movie.

And that’s it for 6. Next up are Daizenshuu 4 and 7, the really information heavy ones.

…Those two might take awhile…

Kikoha Hater · Post by **Kikoha Hater** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:14 pm

Herms, did that guide happen to reveal the names of those battle robots that appreaed in the sixth DBZ movie? They were called the "Cyclopean Guard" in Funimation's dub of Cooler's Return? Also, are there notes on the names of location where movies takes place that wasn't revealed within the movie, for example the city that No.14 and No.15 appeared.

Yeah, I've just been full of question lately.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:48 pm

Herms wrote:I’d like to close by noting the ‘Veku’ is the official name for fat Gogeta, and not just something made up in Funi’s dub of the movie, as some people still seem to think. Fat Goteta’s character model on p.189 is labeled as ‘Veku’, and one of the Kaiou does call him that in the movie.

I wasn't aware anyone thought there was an issue with that. The problem is that they made up a new spelling and distinction with "Janempa"/"Janemba" that never existed previously.

I typically just see "Janenba" / "Super Janenba", or even "Janenba" / "Janenba (Transformed)".

Post by **Herms** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:07 pm

Kikoha Hater wrote:Herms, did that guide happen to reveal the names of those battle robots that appreaed in the sixth DBZ movie? They were called the "Cyclopean Guard" in Funimation's dub of Cooler's Return? Also, are there notes on the names of location where movies takes place that wasn't revealed within the movie, for example the city that No.14 and No.15 appeared.

Yeah, I've just been full of question lately.

There's information on them in 6, and I'm pretty sure that they're in 7's character guide, so they are given a name of some kind. I just don't remember what it was. Not 'Cyclopean Guard', though. Just something really generic, like maybe 'Cooler's robots' or something like that.

About the locations, I'm not so sure. I don't think there is anything in 6 about location names other than what's stated in the movie. 7 has a dictionary for all the locations in both the manga and anime, so there very well might be something there. I'll have to check out all this stuff later.

VegettoEX wrote:
Herms wrote: I’d like to close by noting the ‘Veku’ is the official name for fat Gogeta, and not just something made up in Funi’s dub of the movie, as some people still seem to think. Fat Goteta’s character model on p.189 is labeled as ‘Veku’, and one of the Kaiou does call him that in the movie.
I wasn't aware anyone thought there was an issue with that. The problem is that they made up a new spelling and distinction with "Janempa"/"Janemba" that never existed previously.

I typically just see "Janenba" / "Super Janenba", or even "Janenba" / "Janenba (Transformed)".

I thought I remembered seeing that misconception about Veku around here a lot (this being the only Dragon Ball forum I visit), but after searching the archives this old thread was all I could find, and there it's only one person with the misconception. So I might just be crazy.

As for Janenba...yeah, Daizenshuu 6 just refers to his later form as post-transformation (henshingo).

Saiyan · Post by **Saiyan** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:52 pm

SCANTASTIC!

Well. I finished most, if not all of the scans for Daizenshuus 1, 2, and 5, including the Shenlong Times for Daizenshuu 2. Just check out my previous post. It has all of the scans there if you wanna take a gander.

But for now, I'm takin' a break, haha.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:13 pm

OK, all my old posts are now updated to include scans. Thanks again Saiyan! You definitely deserve a break.

I'll probably have Daizenshuu 4 all written up by tomorrow.

Saiyan · Post by **Saiyan** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:52 pm

Silly me. I forgot one!

Decided to post the entire profile for Teen Gohan, since it seems that it might be needed someplace else on the forum.

Toriyama Boss · Post by **Toriyama Boss** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:15 pm

Well I guess I better get to translating.......

I will do this one for now and hopefully later I have more time to transalte others.

"Super Saiyajin Full-Power"

"Goku during his training in the Spirit and Time Room, prior to the battle with Cell. The power of the Super Saiyajin brings out the maximum potential and the aura around him is different.

Small picture caption: Goku analyzing the cons of such forceful powerups.

Goku: Moreover, the energy consumption is too great, in a balanced sense, the normal super saiyajin is the best."

Edit: Made corrections to Supaer Saiya-jin "Full-power!"

FindKenshi · Post by **FindKenshi** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:23 pm

Oh, I cannot wait for that Gohan page-spread to get translated. This is a great topic, spectacular really. Subarashii!!

Toriyama Boss · Post by **Toriyama Boss** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:45 pm

FindKenshi wrote:Oh, I cannot wait for that Gohan page-spread to get translated. This is a great topic, spectacular really. Subarashii!!

Well I would do it now but it is hard to read some of the words!
Is there anyway for someone to enlarge it?
Sorry I don't mean to be a bother.

But I will leave you guys with this...I got to go party!!..........

"Prince of Destruction"

"Vegeta was aware that Goku was stronger than him, this is his power-up appearance using the magic of the Socerer Babidi. His fighting prowess can match that of Goku's Super Saiyajin 2."

Babidi's picture makes me LOL.

Saiyan · Post by **Saiyan** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:46 pm

Ah, nevermind.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:51 pm

Saiyan wrote: Hey, is there a translation of the gray box next to "Super Saiya-jin Full Power"? I'm trying to scanlate the scan. Thanks.

It says "From vol. 34 onwards", in reference to when the form appeared.

edit: Now that I think about it, this would imply that the Daizenshuu intended 'Full Power Super Saiyan' to not apply to the aura-less version of Super Saiyan that Goku and Gohan are seen in, since I think they started with that in vol. 33 or maybe 32.

testing223 · Post by **testing223** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:53 pm

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That image of all of the cast in pencil, standing in a line and showing their heights--could I please see a blowup of that one? Early sketches are especially interesting to me.

Particularly the one with Eraser and Sharpener; the fact they were being pushed into the "main" cast early in the buu saga suggests a very different storyline was intended...

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:07 am

Herms wrote:Daizenshuu 5: TV Animation Part 2

The first thing from the animation guide I want to talk about is something that doesn’t even involve the anime at all. Instead, it’s a series of so-called ‘Outside Stories’ based on the Dragon Ball Z anime that were published by Shueisha. These are featured in one of Daizenshuu 5’s ‘Variety of DB’ articles, on pp.156-157. Apparently, they were a series of original manga-like stories that served as special features in several different Dragon Ball books.

The first one appeared in Weekly Shounen Jump Special Edition: Dragon Ball Z Anime Special, and was called “ピッコロ大魔王の名に賭けて” (‘Risking the name of Piccolo Daimaou’, or something like that). It focused on Piccolo, from his birth from Piccolo Daimaou’s egg until his death at the hands of Nappa. The story was by Koyama Takao, who did series composition and screenplays for the anime. The illustrations where by Maeda Minoru, who worked on the anime as a chief animator, animation director, character designer.

The second one appeared in Dragon Ball Z Anime Special II, and was called “誇り高き!! サイヤの王子ベジータ” (‘High Pride!! The Saiya Prince Vegeta’). It focused on Vegeta, from his childhood on Planet Vegeta until his fight with Freeza. It was again written by Koyama Takao and illustrated by Maeda Minoru.

Oh WOW.
Original, official backstory info on Vegeta and Piccolo?
Stuff we wouldn't know if we hadn't read it?

*Wants to read them* >_<

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:08 am

Herms wrote:
Saiyan wrote: Hey, is there a translation of the gray box next to "Super Saiya-jin Full Power"? I'm trying to scanlate the scan. Thanks.
It says "From vol. 34 onwards", in reference to when the form appeared.

edit: Now that I think about it, this would imply that the Daizenshuu intended 'Full Power Super Saiyan' to not apply to the aura-less version of Super Saiyan that Goku and Gohan are seen in, since I think they started with that in vol. 33 or maybe 32.

That actually makes sense, seeing as how them staying in the "auraless Super Saiyan" form 24/7 was training for the Full Power Super Saiyan form.

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