Man it would be nice if people actually understood the concept of a mary sue.
No it appiles to when somebody doesnt like a new character, but are too stupid to make a worthwhile complaint.
Funny. Seems you're the one that has to learn the concept/defintion here. Goku, Gohan, Future Trunks, and Vegeta (and all iterations there-of) are Gary-stus, by definition. Just because someone's a Gary-stu doesn't make them bad, though. Look at Harry Potter, he's a Gary-stu but still popular as hell.
Basically a "perfect, flawless" character who usually has some relation to the main characters and has some horrible past but everyone loves her and main characters fall IN love with her...blah; I hate mary-sues.
That's just one varriety. There's actually a VERY massive array of elements you can use to create a Mary-sue/Gary-stu charater. You can even go in a completely different direction than what you listed and still get one. But it really comes down to believablity. Even a sue/stu can be good if they're believable.
Mary-Sues are also usually nothing more than stand-ins for the story's author. They're basically a fanfiction phenomenon, where the author inserts themselves into a series' universe as a flawless character. Many people now use the term to refer to flawless characters in general, even ones that are part of the official story rather than fanfiction and aren't stand-ins for the author, but this isn't exactly correct.
Blatantly incorrect. First of all, SIs (Self-inserts)
are not and
never have been sues/stus on their own. Simply because a character is a self-insert doesn't make them a sue/stu in the least. Not all sues/stus are SIs and not all SIs are sues/stus.
Secondly, they are not a fanfiction phenomenon either. They've existed outside the realm of fanfiction. The sue/stu conecpt was actually adpated from the 'non-realistc character concept' idea. Basicly, a character who is not believable due to an assortment of details about their history, abilities, and so forth. Something that's existed within written literature for hundreds of years, well before the advent of fanfiction.
So yeah, you're completely wrong with your definition there.
You got the order reversed. Sues/stus in original fictions existed long before they were in fanfiction. And SIs have existed, as
main characters in original fiction for hundred of years as well. I know of a couple of popular writers who's most popular characters are actually SIs, and stars of their own series of stories.
saw that coming.
