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by djkalteraphine » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:26 am
laserkid wrote:As to which one you like better, thats all cool but the statment Japan does everything better smells a bit of foolishness to me. Japan does a -LOT- of stuff better, but not everything - keeping to topic, the GI Joe, and even the Super Liferform Transformers openings are not as good as their American counterparts openings are, so its a bit of give and take.
As a general rule, the Japanese style of directing on opening themes is almost always better, and the songs themselves don't *beat the audience over the head with the show's concept* like most American ones. Not all though - there are some good ones. Just as there are
Japanese themes that do that too. But as a general rule, the worst Japanese opening (as linked) is still more entertaining than some of the better American ones. In my opinion, at least.
laserkid wrote:
EDIT: On the X Men thing, we had THREE openings in the US - though the second is just a minor variant on the first, the third one though is pretty nifty:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xRnrywAX3Vc
and uh...that show rocked xD
No,

X-men
sucked. Even as a kid, it couldn't hold my attention.
If you want a great American cartoon from that era, try some like Sam and Max. Just ADD enough for a kid, and just funny enough for an adult. Or a great super hero cartoon, all the DC cartoons from the 90s and onward have been, generally, pretty superb. Every Marvel cartoon has sucked pretty raw, cept the new Spectacular Spider-man (which is totally awesome) and
this one.
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by Kendamu » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:48 am
I was like 10 or 11 years old when X-Men hit TV. It was an awesome show for my age group.
As for the topic at hand, most people who see any American Dragonball generally go, "That's what it's like here? It's weird," or "Goku sounds weird," or "The music isn't right," or something.
Then, I just pull out a manga and they're like "ZOMG Dragonball in English?! Wow!"
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by Super Sonic » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:22 pm
djkalteraphine wrote:laserkid wrote:
EDIT: On the X Men thing, we had THREE openings in the US - though the second is just a minor variant on the first, the third one though is pretty nifty:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xRnrywAX3Vc
and uh...that show rocked xD
No,

X-men
sucked. Even as a kid, it couldn't hold my attention.
If you want a great American cartoon from that era, try some like Sam and Max. Just ADD enough for a kid, and just funny enough for an adult. Or a great super hero cartoon, all the DC cartoons from the 90s and onward have been, generally, pretty superb. Every Marvel cartoon has sucked pretty raw, cept the new Spectacular Spider-man (which is totally awesome) and
this one.
You need to watch the 1960s Hanna Barbera produced Fantastic Four. Especially the Coming of Galactus episode. That show was true to the comics and my old man keeps getting on me to grab it for him if they ever release it on dvd.
Also there are some series like laserkid said, like TF Galaxy Force whose US opening is better than its Japanese one.
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by Raki » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:27 pm
Kendamu wrote:I was like 10 or 11 years old when X-Men hit TV. It was an awesome show for my age group.
As for the topic at hand, most people who see any American Dragonball generally go, "That's what it's like here? It's weird," or "Goku sounds weird," or "The music isn't right," or something.
Then, I just pull out a manga and they're like "ZOMG Dragonball in English?! Wow!"
I thought they would be apathetic to the whole thing.
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The series doesn't start with the arrival of Raditz. Stop being lazy and watch Dragonball.
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by SSj_Rambo » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:50 pm
I doubt that any of the hardcore Japanese fans care about what we Americans do with Dragonball, if they did they would come over here and burn Funimation to the ground for producing such a massacre of their beloved Dragonball, then hopefully give all of us true fans DragonBox's to compensate for our years suffering.
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by djkalteraphine » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:20 am
Super Sonic wrote:djkalteraphine wrote:laserkid wrote:
EDIT: On the X Men thing, we had THREE openings in the US - though the second is just a minor variant on the first, the third one though is pretty nifty:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xRnrywAX3Vc
and uh...that show rocked xD
No,

X-men
sucked. Even as a kid, it couldn't hold my attention.
If you want a great American cartoon from that era, try some like Sam and Max. Just ADD enough for a kid, and just funny enough for an adult. Or a great super hero cartoon, all the DC cartoons from the 90s and onward have been, generally, pretty superb. Every Marvel cartoon has sucked pretty raw, cept the new Spectacular Spider-man (which is totally awesome) and
this one.
You need to watch the 1960s Hanna Barbera produced Fantastic Four. Especially the Coming of Galactus episode. That show was true to the comics and my old man keeps getting on me to grab it for him if they ever release it on dvd.
Also there are some series like laserkid said, like TF Galaxy Force whose US opening is better than its Japanese one.
Really? I've never seen the 60s FF series. I'll check it out, I think. It's the only one from the 60s I
haven't seen, now that I think about it. Most of them are pretty bad, Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man, to name a few.
And yeah, some are better than the Japanese openings. But I geek out for Japanese openings. They've very ADD and I love it.
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by laserkid » Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:57 pm
djkalteraphine wrote:
No,

X-men
sucked. Even as a kid, it couldn't hold my attention.
If you want a great American cartoon from that era, try some like Sam and Max. Just ADD enough for a kid, and just funny enough for an adult. Or a great super hero cartoon, all the DC cartoons from the 90s and onward have been, generally, pretty superb. Every Marvel cartoon has sucked pretty raw, cept the new Spectacular Spider-man (which is totally awesome) and
this one.
I'll agree the TIMMVerse was good, but I alays liked the X Men toon.
As for Sam and Max...the TV SHOW? Yuck. They REALLY stripped the classic graphic adventure of its teeth to make it kid friendly. You want to see Sam and Max, theres the PC original "Hit the Road" - or the new games by Telltale games.
I also actually liked the 90s spidey show (though THAT opening was spastic). Didn't know they were trying a new show, I'll have to check it.
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by djkalteraphine » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:21 pm
laserkid wrote:djkalteraphine wrote:
No,

X-men
sucked. Even as a kid, it couldn't hold my attention.
If you want a great American cartoon from that era, try some like Sam and Max. Just ADD enough for a kid, and just funny enough for an adult. Or a great super hero cartoon, all the DC cartoons from the 90s and onward have been, generally, pretty superb. Every Marvel cartoon has sucked pretty raw, cept the new Spectacular Spider-man (which is totally awesome) and
this one.
I'll agree the TIMMVerse was good, but I alays liked the X Men toon.
As for Sam and Max...the TV SHOW? Yuck. They REALLY stripped the classic graphic adventure of its teeth to make it kid friendly. You want to see Sam and Max, theres the PC original "Hit the Road" - or the new games by Telltale games.
I also actually liked the 90s spidey show (though THAT opening was spastic). Didn't know they were trying a new show, I'll have to check it.
Yeah, but for the time, some of the jokes Sam and Max got away with were astounding. (This was the height of censorship with cartoons, the 90s, thanks to Power Rangers.) And I think it still holds up well.
And yeah, the Spectacular Spider-Man, just had it's first season finale, and it's way more Spidey than any attempt before it. Frantic Spidey action and witty banter
abound.
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by Adamant » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:29 pm
I liked the 90s Spider-man show too. It captured the essence of the comic book pretty well, and while the writers had to deal with some extreme censorship (Spidey wasn't allowed to punch people, for instance), they did a good job making it exciting and somewhat serious.
Using Morbius as a villain when the censors didn't allow vampires was a mistake, though - the "sucks plasma through hand prods" version of the character they ended up with was awfully lame. Cool voice, though.