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Post by Super Sonic » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:04 pm

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PrincessVegeta wrote: (although there are also cases, like DBZ, where I watch the dub almost exclusively because of the Bruce Faulconer music)
Wow, I guess I'm not taking your opinion seriously ever again.
Some people like the Faulconer music. I myself love "Ginyu Transformation". Also some things may not be so great but still people have fondness for them. For example, I know quite a few uys who say they can't watch Godzilla movies in japanese with subtitles. The dubbing of them adds to their enjoyment.

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Post by Sun_Wukong » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:07 pm

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Sun_Wukong wrote:
PrincessVegeta wrote: (although there are also cases, like DBZ, where I watch the dub almost exclusively because of the Bruce Faulconer music)
Wow, I guess I'm not taking your opinion seriously ever again.
Some people like the Faulconer music. I myself love "Ginyu Transformation". Also some things may not be so great but still people have fondness for them. For example, I know quite a few uys who say they can't watch Godzilla movies in japanese with subtitles. The dubbing of them adds to their enjoyment.
Its amazing you call it music at all. I guess repeating 3 notes on a keyboard over and over again is considered music.

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Post by The Time Traveller » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:15 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:
Sun_Wukong wrote: Wow, I guess I'm not taking your opinion seriously ever again.
Some people like the Faulconer music. I myself love "Ginyu Transformation". Also some things may not be so great but still people have fondness for them. For example, I know quite a few uys who say they can't watch Godzilla movies in japanese with subtitles. The dubbing of them adds to their enjoyment.
Its amazing you call it music at all. I guess repeating 3 notes on a keyboard over and over again is considered music.
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Post by ssgOverlord » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:54 pm

Personally I love the One PIece dub. It was a bit shaky for the first few episodes, but then the actors really got into character. I have my One Piece set coming right now (Along with Season 5 on backorder from Deep Discount...) and I can't wait for it. And I also hear that Funi will try to do fast releases with One Piece, which is good considering 13 episodes isn't much for this series.

I wish DBZ was redone properly like this, even though I'm a dub fan, I can see the difference in quality.
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Post by Big Momma » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:21 am

PrincessVegeta wrote:Also the fact that their is about as much cussing in it just like the first 2 season sets contained so in all this latest dub by them far outclasses DBZ's remastered sets I.M.O both in quality and dubbing so yep One Piece is my best new anime yet :3
Man, if there's one thing that irks me, it's when people think a dub isn't truely "uncut" until there is cussing in it. :x I personally don't think you need cursing in something to make it seem more "extreme" or "realistic". There are many other words that can be used, and that won't offend as many people.

Granted, I don't mind a few. Maybe one or two in somewhere, but I think crap/etc. are just as good for use.

(And I don't mean anything against you, PV.

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Post by Sun_Wukong » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:01 am

The Time Traveller wrote:
Sun_Wukong wrote:
Super Sonic wrote: Some people like the Faulconer music. I myself love "Ginyu Transformation". Also some things may not be so great but still people have fondness for them. For example, I know quite a few uys who say they can't watch Godzilla movies in japanese with subtitles. The dubbing of them adds to their enjoyment.
Its amazing you call it music at all. I guess repeating 3 notes on a keyboard over and over again is considered music.
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Post by dchan316 » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:12 am

I personally love the One Piece dub. They've kept the integrity of the series, with the dialog and execution of the lines. The music is very much intact, and they actually redid the songs in English! Yeah, I know some people might not like this, but I think its pretty cool, getting to listen to intros and outros in English. At least the effort was there, and its pretty decent for what it is.

And yes, I have to agree that the Dragonball series dvds tends to get the short end of the stick, with the exception of the original Dragonball. I wish the rest would have been released like that...ah well, them's the breaks I guess... (sorry, couldn't resist)

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Post by jjgp1112 » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:40 am

Sun_Wukong, why do you act like a complete prick to anyone who likes Bruce Falcouner's music?
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Post by Onikage725 » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:01 pm

Daburcor wrote: What about people like Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamil? THEY are what I would call voice actors!
A Batman: The Animated Series fan, eh? Yeah, those two are awesome. When I'm reading a Batman comic, I hear their voices in my head (and I tend to hear Tim Daly and Clancy Brown for Superman and Lex Luthor too). But none of those guys do anime voice work, as far as I know.

Like or hate the dub, I think the reason we hear these complaints with the last few sets is basically because S1 and 2 were it for the redub effort. We got re-recorded takes for a couple of characters here and there after, but this is basically the same old rock bottom dub that aired when I was in high school. And nostalgia aside, it really wasn't that high quality. They hadn't hired the wide range of talent they have now, for the most part (a handful of new guys not withstanding) and the scripts were fairly atrocious.

Even the voices I don't like I readily admit have evolved as the actors gained experience. So if you watch S1 and 2, and S3 for Kuririn and Vegeta, and then watch the latest releases, it is really just a painful reminder of how far they had to come to get where they are now.
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Post by NeptuneKai » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:13 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Sun_Wukong, why do you act like a complete prick to anyone who likes Bruce Falcouner's music?
At least he's giving reasons as to why he hates that awful music rather then just going "UR GUIZ R PRIKS FOR LIKING the MUZIC!"
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Post by Vekurotto » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:08 pm

Big Momma wrote:Man, if there's one thing that irks me, it's when people think a dub isn't truely "uncut" until there is cussing in it.
Yeah that is true I mean look at Angel Cop if you want an example where "swearing in a dub to make it uncut and mature" fails on all levels. I actually emailed Funi about it and told them about the excessive swearing and told that One Piece is a show primarily for preteens even in Japan and didn't need as much swearing as it did yet they insisted that it wasn't and that the original One Piece is for a older mature audience so they had to put excessive swearing in :roll:.
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Post by Vegard Aune » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:04 pm

PrincessVegeta wrote:And incase your wondering Toei didn't be stingy on Funimation this time and gave us perfect masters on One Piece with the slight exception of the removal for the Japanese writing in the intros and endings thus giving us textless versions instead but that's a small price to pay for a perfect dub :lol:
The english credits were propably FUNi's own choice, as they've stopped using alternate angles, and every other company ever translates the credits, so I'd say that's not really a drawback at all. I am, however, a bit annoyed that they changed the logo and translated the episode-title-cards. The logo-edit was completely pointless with a capital P... and O, and for the heck of it, the INTLESS was also capital. They had no reason to do that. By comparison, the title-cards are a bit more reasonable, but it's still unncecessary for them to actually be WRITTEN in english when Luffy always reads them out loud anyway. Ah well, at least the titles in the dub are the same as in the japanese version, so no big deal. And the quality is a bit poor, but the japanese DVDs weren't any better, so that was obviously just bad source-materials.

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Post by Kaboom » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:10 pm

Vegard Aune wrote:The logo-edit was completely pointless with a capital P... and O, and for the heck of it, the INTLESS was also capital. They had no reason to do that.
Several years ago, the very first time I saw that original logo, which was the very first time I'd been exposed to the series, before I new anything about it, even it's name...

I thought it said "NEPIEG." I went about 2 months thinking that before I was corrected by someone online.

I like FUNi's logo. It's less cluttered and very readable, without sacrificing the overall look.
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Post by laserkid » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:41 pm

I preffer the original logo, but I can give you one huge reason why they probably edited it.

It was done, at least as far as I can tell, in order to better differenciate it from the 4kids crap first dub release, which did use the original logo. Either that, or 4kids is somehow sitting on said original logo.

I'm just happy one of my favorate anime series' of all time (right up there with DB/Z), is finally available in english in an uncut format. I'd been relying on the manga to feed my fixation for it, but now I can enjoy the anime also. That and FUNimation's english "We Are" rocks my world.
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Post by Sun_Wukong » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:31 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Sun_Wukong, why do you act like a complete prick to anyone who likes Bruce Falcouner's music?
To be blunt, yes..

and until Mike warns me for it, I'll keep on doing it.

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Post by NeptuneKai » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:38 pm

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I thought it said "NIEPEG." I went about 2 months thinking that before I was corrected by someone online.
That mistake has happened a lot, so much so Oda addressed the matter personally. (I'm sure you already know this seeing as you're a member of Arlong Park.) Hell even my friend managed to make this mistake when he flipped to the title page in the beginning. I'm not too fond of those symbols myself.
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Post by djkalteraphine » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:47 pm

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Big Momma wrote:Man, if there's one thing that irks me, it's when people think a dub isn't truely "uncut" until there is cussing in it.
Yeah that is true I mean look at Angel Cop if you want an example where "swearing in a dub to make it uncut and mature" fails on all levels. I actually emailed Funi about it and told them about the excessive swearing and told that One Piece is a show primarily for preteens even in Japan and didn't need as much swearing as it did yet they insisted that it wasn't and that the original One Piece is for a older mature audience so they had to put excessive swearing in :roll:.
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Someone thinks One Piece is for older, more mature audiences?! We're talking about the same One Piece, right? The one with the Afro Skeleton that says "I would offer my flesh and blood to you, although I have neither! Haahaa!" ?!? :lol: Oooooh man. Americans.

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Vekurotto wrote:I actually emailed Funi about it and told them about the excessive swearing and told that One Piece is a show primarily for preteens even in Japan and didn't need as much swearing as it did yet they insisted that it wasn't and that the original One Piece is for a older mature audience so they had to put excessive swearing in :roll:.
Aw, don't tell me Funimation actually said that. I'd rather them handle One Piece the way they did Dragonball then for them to think One Piece is "the serious business."
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Post by Kaboom » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:59 pm

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Vekurotto wrote:I actually emailed Funi about it and told them about the excessive swearing and told that One Piece is a show primarily for preteens even in Japan and didn't need as much swearing as it did yet they insisted that it wasn't and that the original One Piece is for a older mature audience so they had to put excessive swearing in :roll:.
Aw, don't tell me Funimation actually said that. I'd rather them handle One Piece the way they did Dragonball then for them to think One Piece is "the serious business."
I have a feeling FUNi's slight overuse of strong language in One Piece will settle down a good deal as the show continues. Even though they're not allowed to come out and say it, I think they're trying very hard to get the "WE'RE NOT 4KIDS" message across, by re-marketing the show towards an older audience.
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Post by Vegard Aune » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:21 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Vekurotto wrote:I actually emailed Funi about it and told them about the excessive swearing and told that One Piece is a show primarily for preteens even in Japan and didn't need as much swearing as it did yet they insisted that it wasn't and that the original One Piece is for a older mature audience so they had to put excessive swearing in :roll:.
Aw, don't tell me Funimation actually said that. I'd rather them handle One Piece the way they did Dragonball then for them to think One Piece is "the serious business."
While I do think the uncut One Piece-dub has too much cursing, (more than the fansubs did, how ironic is that?) it's still infinitely better than Dragonball's dub in every way. I'd rather have Luffy casually asking "Who the hell are you guys?", which by the way is completely in-character for him, than having Goku shout "Dang it!" when Namek explodes. (Yes, I know that's not what the dub said in that scene, but I think that's a good example anyway.)

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