So how do you cram the 291 episodes of DBZ on 9 dvds?

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:14 pm

ect5150 wrote:
Xyex wrote:50 gigs to a single layer Blu-ray, actually. So with standard DVD encoding you could get a little over 50 episodes to a disc. (5 episodes on a standard DVD and they're a lless than 5 gigs.) Probably 52 or 55 or so.

Man that's horrible, and probably completely unnecessary.
It's mono. Mono doesn't have to be all that high since there's only a single audio stream. 96 kbps for mono is about right.
50 Gig Blu-Ray is the dual-layer, 25 Gig is single layer. Using the AVC codec to maintain the same quality, should be roughly 700 Megs an episode (give or take, this is really impossible to tell given we don't have the original source... although I can get perceivably-no-different encode at roughly 500 Megs an episode)
[Results to that claim: Pic1 : Pic2]

By my calculations, that comes in around 9 BluRay discs for the DBZ series.

Also, just for information, DBox singles uses 448 Kbits/sec for its audio (I know its just mono, and 96 is just fine)

FUNI should make some SUPR AMAZIN' RECUT COMPUTERCALLY UNMASTRD BOXSET. I mean, if it would only take 9 discs for the entire series... I'd buy it if it were a reasonable price.

That also shows that there will be no excuse for these double features coming later this year to look beautiful.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:03 pm

Casual Matt wrote:That pseudo image compare makes me wonder who would actually want to buy bootlegs.

Seriously, if you want lots of episodes for cheap and don't particularly care about quality, FUNimation is serving you up a big officially licensed platter of it.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure it's not like that. It's probably some subtitled AVI files that the "bootlegger" downloaded and burned to some DVD's.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:12 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:FUNI should make some SUPR AMAZIN' RECUT COMPUTERCALLY UNMASTRD BOXSET. I mean, if it would only take 9 discs for the entire series... I'd buy it if it were a reasonable price.

That also shows that there will be no excuse for these double features coming later this year to look beautiful.

I believe the question was to put it in SD, not HD. If you went Blu-Ray, you might as well make it in High Definition... then it'll take more than 9 discs.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:39 am

ect5150 wrote:
Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:FUNI should make some SUPR AMAZIN' RECUT COMPUTERCALLY UNMASTRD BOXSET. I mean, if it would only take 9 discs for the entire series... I'd buy it if it were a reasonable price.

That also shows that there will be no excuse for these double features coming later this year to look beautiful.
I believe the question was to put it in SD, not HD. If you went Blu-Ray, you might as well make it in High Definition... then it'll take more than 9 discs.

According to Wikipedia, with the standard MPEG-2 encoding a dual layered Blu-Ray disc can hold around 4 hours of HD. Since DBZ has an approximate run-time of 98 hours you should be able to fit all 291 episodes on 25 discs (just for comparisons sake, the seasons sets will probably have all 291 episodes on 53-54 discs). Now since quad layered Blu-Ray discs are in development, if Funi were to release all 291 episodes on HD Blu-Ray disc it could eventually be done in as little as 13 discs.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:52 am

SSj_Rambo wrote:According to Wikipedia, with the standard MPEG-2 encoding a dual layered Blu-Ray disc can hold around 4 hours of HD. Since DBZ has an approximate run-time of 98 hours you should be able to fit all 291 episodes on 25 discs (just for comparisons sake, the seasons sets will probably have all 291 episodes on 53-54 discs). Now since quad layered Blu-Ray discs are in development, if Funi were to release all 291 episodes on HD Blu-Ray disc it could eventually be done in as little as 13 discs.

No one in their right mind should encode HD with MPEG-2 on a BluRay disc since it allows for h264 or VC-1.

Interesting point about a quad layer disc, but are the discs compatible with all players? They had multi layered DVDs as well, but they never came out comercially. The players would have to be designed with that in mind when they were first released (the laser has to re-focus for each layer). I think they're talking about 100 gigs for the quad layer discs, right? ... but I wouldn't be surprised if current players are only designed for just two layers.

saiyanprincess · Post by **saiyanprincess** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:13 pm

If you have the original DVD's then you can just use a dvd ripper programme such as Imtoo ripper platinum, which can rip copyprotected dvd's and then you can convert it into a smaller file size such as Mp4.

Note: This is also how you can place your DBZ episodes onto your IPOD or PS3.

This does work, I ripped mine into MP4 and then put a few good episodes onto my MP4 player so I can watch them on long car journeys or whilst on holiday if my brothers hog the Portable DVD Player.

(Can't live without me Z!

)

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:27 pm

Isn't there a third layer, on Blu-Ray? Or am I imagining things?

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:21 pm

I have this one bootleg that I got that the quality on some of the episodes is so bad, that it creates this ghosting effect where the previous frame sometimes hangs for an additional second, it looks really bizarre.
Don't buy bootlegs, they are bad.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:24 pm

The bootlegs I've had experience with were ripped from the Dragonbox releases. They had 9 episodes per disc and still ended up looking and sounding better than any official release I've seen in the US.

However, the subtitles were horrid and there were some issues when it came to skipping or picking chapters.

So, yeah, not all bootlegs look extremely horrible. They just have other glaring flaws to make up for it!

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:29 pm

bkev wrote:Isn't there a third layer, on Blu-Ray? Or am I imagining things?

While I don't have a player, nor do I own any discs, its my understanding the specs were finalized with two layers (for 50 Gigs) and have a maximum bit rate of 48 Mbits / sec (40 for video and 8 for audio). That's a lot of quality. There is just as much space dedicated to audio on BluRay as there is to video on a DVD.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:14 am

Kendamu wrote:The bootlegs I've had experience with were ripped from the Dragonbox releases. They had 9 episodes per disc and still ended up looking and sounding better than any official release I've seen in the US.

However, the subtitles were horrid and there were some issues when it came to skipping or picking chapters.

So, yeah, not all bootlegs look extremely horrible. They just have other glaring flaws to make up for it!

If those are the same bootlegs I'm thinking about, then I remember that they got really pixelated during heavy fighting scenes.

I ended up giving them to my old cleaning lady's family.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:24 am

Castor Troy wrote:
Kendamu wrote:The bootlegs I've had experience with were ripped from the Dragonbox releases. They had 9 episodes per disc and still ended up looking and sounding better than any official release I've seen in the US.

However, the subtitles were horrid and there were some issues when it came to skipping or picking chapters.

So, yeah, not all bootlegs look extremely horrible. They just have other glaring flaws to make up for it!
If those are the same bootlegs I'm thinking about, then I remember that they got really pixelated during heavy fighting scenes.

I ended up giving them to my old cleaning lady's family.

Haven't seen any pixelation on these. Maybe I saw a more refined version of what you're talking about.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:25 pm

ect5150 wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:According to Wikipedia, with the standard MPEG-2 encoding a dual layered Blu-Ray disc can hold around 4 hours of HD. Since DBZ has an approximate run-time of 98 hours you should be able to fit all 291 episodes on 25 discs (just for comparisons sake, the seasons sets will probably have all 291 episodes on 53-54 discs). Now since quad layered Blu-Ray discs are in development, if Funi were to release all 291 episodes on HD Blu-Ray disc it could eventually be done in as little as 13 discs.
No one in their right mind should encode HD with MPEG-2 on a BluRay disc since it allows for h264 or VC-1.

Interesting point about a quad layer disc, but are the discs compatible with all players? They had multi layered DVDs as well, but they never came out comercially. The players would have to be designed with that in mind when they were first released (the laser has to re-focus for each layer). I think they're talking about 100 gigs for the quad layer discs, right? ... but I wouldn't be surprised if current players are only designed for just two layers.

Well, Funimation is never in their right minds, but your right, they probably would use H.264 or VC-1 to encode the DVD's. This being said, the entire 291 episode series could fit on 7 Blu-Ray discs while still maintaining their origional quality, eventually. However, remember that with the format that Funimation uses for the season sets, all 291 episodes could fit onto 42 discs, yet they are choosing to spread them over 54 discs. So Funimation obviously seems to rather sell more for less than less for more, which makes a 7 disc Blu-Ray release of the series very, very unlikely.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:19 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:Well, Funimation is never in their right minds, but your right, they probably would use H.264 or VC-1 to encode the DVD's. This being said, the entire 291 episode series could fit on 7 Blu-Ray discs while still maintaining their origional quality, eventually. However, remember that with the format that Funimation uses for the season sets, all 291 episodes could fit onto 42 discs, yet they are choosing to spread them over 54 discs. So Funimation obviously seems to rather sell more for less than less for more, which makes a 7 disc Blu-Ray release of the series very, very unlikely.

The way i see it, their trying to make each disc have some sort of "theme". they could have combined most of the discs for the recent release, but they also wanting to be consistant with the six discs per set.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:39 pm

Anonymous Friend wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:Well, Funimation is never in their right minds, but your right, they probably would use H.264 or VC-1 to encode the DVD's. This being said, the entire 291 episode series could fit on 7 Blu-Ray discs while still maintaining their origional quality, eventually. However, remember that with the format that Funimation uses for the season sets, all 291 episodes could fit onto 42 discs, yet they are choosing to spread them over 54 discs. So Funimation obviously seems to rather sell more for less than less for more, which makes a 7 disc Blu-Ray release of the series very, very unlikely.
The way i see it, their trying to make each disc have some sort of "theme". they could have combined most of the discs for the recent release, but they also wanting to be consistant with the six discs per set.

I agree, that's how they seem to be doing it so far. But it would be great if they could just make a change in their system and actually give us what we want in a simpler form!

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:49 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:I agree, that's how they seem to be doing it so far. But it would be great if they could just make a change in their system and actually give us what we want in a simpler form!

I kinda got ticked off having to change the disc after only three episodes. It's really nice to have a disc with a complete fight on it for when you're in the mood for a particular fight.