Dragon Ball World

[goodguy777]

I didn't use physics as dragon ball's reference.

I only point out what machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircrafts can do. Is that hard for you to understand?

If you aren't trying to use physics as a "reference," then why are you trying to point out "what machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircrafts can do?" From here it looks like you're the one who is having a hard time understanding. Instead of trying to insult my intelligence realize that it makes no difference what these things do in the real world, Dragon Ball (though it seems to follow some of the basic principles of physics) defies that.

Based on your statements, are you telling me that machine gun bullets in dragon ball couldn't kill a person and that it's bullets are visible in the naked eye. And that rocket powered aircraft are slower than dogs. Please prove me that machine gun bullets and rocket powered-aircraft in dragon ball defies the basic principles of physics. At least show some evidence.

This is my last post here becuase I don't feel like repeating myself endlessly when I can already tell it wont get me anywhere.

At least use math to prove me I'm wrong.

You see, I'm an engineering student and my professor(masteral of science in engineering) told me about my statements before. Prove it in formula that it is impossible in a place where you can't detect any light, sun and stars, like Yakon's planet.

...

Only an idiot would need a formula to grasp that light =/= heat. Energy = heat. So long as there are atoms in motion there is heat. In order to achieve absolute zero you would have to stop the production of all heat on all levels. The movement of atoms, chemical reactions, background radiation, and so forth. Even the furthest reaches of space have heat. As I've said before, the coldest point in space that's ever been found is still 1 K.

Yakon's planet is not located in the furthest reaches of space, it is a place where there is no light, stars and sun. The furthest reaches of space and coldest point in space have stars while Yakon's planet has none. At least prove me that a place with no stars isn't the coldest point in space.

And I'm going to stop here. I was going to reply to the rest but just looking at it is giving me a headache. I really don't see any point to continue this. I'll just say that if you pass your physics class I'll be highly shocked and leave it at that.

I guess it's normal for those(especially you) who can't understand the physics-math relation.

7"]At least try to prove it by using algebra, trigonometry, differential calculus, integral calculus, chemistry, physics 1,2 and 3, dc and ac circuits, electrical machines, electronics 1 and 2, mechanics, strength of material, fluid mechanics, hydraulics and logic circuit. Real physics is math not statements, you can't prove anything by statements. Well I'm not trying to insult you but at least try to prove it by math, since you stated before that you know more physics than I do. To tell you the truth I don't recall you using math when you want to prove something by physics.

I don't think that it is possible to use any of those things on a forum.

That post is for Xyex, he's so confident of himself because of physics (physics without math hahahaha).

...Also, "a delay between seeing something and hearing it" doesn't always happen in the real world.

There is always a delay between hearing something and seeing something, it's just hardly ever noticeable due to how slowly our synapses fire.

Here's how:

If a bomb goes off 1,000 ft. in front of you the light (which is the picture that we see) from that point will take approx. 1.016/100 of a seconds to reach your eyes (Equation: 983,571,056.4 (fps)/1,000 (ft.)=983571.0564~1 sec/983571.0564=.1016 sec).

The sound from that explosion will take 1.129 seconds to reach your ears (Equation: 1129 (fps)/1000 (ft.)=1.129).

It's the same way we see a firework in the distance before we hear it.

Good point, that's what physics is all about unlike like Xyex blah blah statements. Anyway, you already answered my point:

"it's just hardly ever noticeable due to how slowly our synapses fire."

As I've stated before, delay between hearing something and seeing something is very hard to tell when it comes to drawing or comics.

Gokus speed while travelling the Snake Way for the second time:

Goku was moving at a speed between 8,630 mph - 12,945 mph or 2.4 - 3.6 miles per second or mach 11 - mach 17, assuming he was flying nonstop on the way back.

Just something I thought I'll post.

Goku's speed while travelling the snake way for the second time is 1,000,000 km/2 days. Are you sure about your conversion?

All real-world scientific debate notwithstanding, isn't the simple fact of the matter just that, as Xyex already stated, Toriyama didn't give a rat's ass about such things and instead just went with cool visuals?

Again, Xyex is the one who makes the real-world scientific debate. I only point out what machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircraft can do, also the difference between black hole and Yakon. Learn to read please and prove me that machine gun and rocket-powered aircraft in dragon ball defies the basic physics. Also, Toriyama used the bullets and rocket-aircrafts very similar to real world.

[Toriyama Boss]

Physics and Dragonball, mmmm.....

[goodguy777]

Physics and Dragonball, mmmm.....

It's Xyex who keeps on bringing physics.

[Yasai-R-Mighty]

Alright look at it this way, Dragonball may follow the basic principles of physics at least to the extent that it makes some sense. Planets have gravity, which holds atmospheres in place. Sound travels through air and other matter obviously every fast otherwise people wouldn't be able to talk etc. But trying to scrutinize it the extent of, trying to compare the z fighters speeds to that of sound and light and such is futile.....I mean what's to stop me from proposing the argument that the gravitational constant of the DB universe is different from ours so who knows what else is? After all with only enough matter to form 4 little galaxies, how is it galaxies even got to form in the first place? Wouldn't the force of the big bang have prevented the matter from clumping together into nebula's, and stars otherwise...So if gravity one of the fundamental forces for building the universe is different, why wouldn't anything else be.

Never mind don't take me to seriously this conversation is so funny, I'm typing this with a smirk on my face....

[Cypher]

Goodguy777- don't be so damn condescending. I can read, and all I'm reading is the same pointless crap over and over again.

The fact that, as has been established in numerous posts in this thread, Dragonball does not adhere to the real-world physics you so clearly consider to be of paramount importance essentially renders nonsensical any claims centred around such a topic. You can’t help but admit this, surely?

[SonEric84]

I didn't use physics as dragon ball's reference.

I only point out what machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircrafts can do. Is that hard for you to understand?

If you aren't trying to use physics as a "reference," then why are you trying to point out "what machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircrafts can do?" From here it looks like you're the one who is having a hard time understanding. Instead of trying to insult my intelligence realize that it makes no difference what these things do in the real world, Dragon Ball (though it seems to follow some of the basic principles of physics) defies that.

Based on your statements, are you telling me that machine gun bullets in dragon ball couldn't kill a person and that it's bullets are visible in the naked eye. And that rocket powered aircraft are slower than dogs. Please prove me that machine gun bullets and rocket powered-aircraft in dragon ball defies the basic principles of physics. At least show some evidence.

I'm not really sure how to respond....I said it seems the basics DO apply. I don't even know what you're trying to prove by all this anymore.

[goodguy777]

Alright look at it this way, Dragonball may follow the basic principles of physics at least to the extent that it makes some sense. Planets have gravity, which holds atmospheres in place. Sound travels through air and other matter obviously every fast otherwise people wouldn't be able to talk etc. But trying to scrutinize it the extent of, trying to compare the z fighters speeds to that of sound and light and such is futile.....I mean what's to stop me from proposing the argument that the gravitational constant of the DB universe is different from ours so who knows what else is? After all with only enough matter to form 4 little galaxies, how is it galaxies even got to form in the first place? Wouldn't the force of the big bang have prevented the matter from clumping together into nebula's, and stars otherwise...So if gravity one of the fundamental forces for building the universe is different, why wouldn't anything else be.

Never mind don't take me to seriously this conversation is so funny, I'm typing this with a smirk on my face....

I said prove me that machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircraft is not faster than sound. Toriyama didn't make those things different to real world.

Goodguy777- don't be so damn condescending. I can read, and all I'm reading is the same pointless crap over and over again.

The fact that, as has been established in numerous posts in this thread, Dragonball does not adhere to the real-world physics you so clearly consider to be of paramount importance essentially renders nonsensical any claims centred around such a topic. You can’t help but admit this, surely?

I said prove me that machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircraft is not faster than sound. Toriyama didn't make those things different to real world. Again, pointing out what machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircraft can do is not physics. If you're statements were correct, then any normal human can block the bullets and race a rocket-powered aircraft.

If you aren't trying to use physics as a "reference," then why are you trying to point out "what machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircrafts can do?" From here it looks like you're the one who is having a hard time understanding. Instead of trying to insult my intelligence realize that it makes no difference what these things do in the real world, Dragon Ball (though it seems to follow some of the basic principles of physics) defies that.

Based on your statements, are you telling me that machine gun bullets in dragon ball couldn't kill a person and that it's bullets are visible in the naked eye. And that rocket powered aircraft are slower than dogs. Please prove me that machine gun bullets and rocket powered-aircraft in dragon ball defies the basic principles of physics. At least show some evidence.

I'm not really sure how to respond....I said it seems the basics DO apply. I don't even know what you're trying to prove by all this anymore.

Akira Toriyama uses physics, especially if he needed to.

For example, Akira Toriyama's "ASK ME ANYTHING" Corner is a question-and-answer column that began in first volume of the (raw)manga and ended in the 12th volume, in which Akira Toriyama answers questions sent in by his Japanese Dragon Ball readers and sometimes telling useful information about the story and characters.

Here's one of the question and answer in "Ask Me Anything" column in volume 9 of (raw)dragon ball:

Q. Please answer the following questions: (1) How many watts is the brightness of Kuririn's head? (2) How long does Goku's nyoibo get? (3) On page 87 of Vol. 4 Kuririn flings a booger, but does he even have a nose?

Nobuo Kobayashi
Gunma Prefecture

A. (1) Hmmm...difficult question. I wonder how bright it is? Uh...basically it only gets bright when it reflects sunlight. (2) This is another difficult question. The nyoibo once stretched out to the moon, so that means that it can stretch out to at least 380,000 kilometers. (3) Actually, a lot of people asked me this question. I think we got about a thousand postcards about this. I really couldn't think of a good response to the question, so I just ignored it for a while. Sorry everybody!

http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=8297

[Snail]

This is all too reminescent of the " GOKU AND FRIENDS ARE FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT!!!!!!" arguments.

Don't have a cow.

[Xyex]

Based on your statements, are you telling me that machine gun bullets in dragon ball couldn't kill a person and that it's bullets are visible in the naked eye. And that rocket powered aircraft are slower than dogs. Please prove me that machine gun bullets and rocket powered-aircraft in dragon ball defies the basic principles of physics. At least show some evidence.

Prove to me that 3-foot tall kids transforming into giant apes doesn't defy the princeples of physics in Dragonball.

At least use math to prove me I'm wrong.

Why? You'd ignore it anyway.

Yakon's planet is not located in the furthest reaches of space, it is a place where there is no light, stars and sun. The furthest reaches of space and coldest point in space have stars while Yakon's planet has none. At least prove me that a place with no stars isn't the coldest point in space.

So, what, Yakon's planet is in the middle of an empty void that exists outside of everything else? Because that's the only way your statement would make any semblence of sense.

The statement made in the series (and I'm paraphrasing here since it's been a while) is that Yakon's planet exists at the edge of the universe where no light reaches.

And why should I prove anything to you? You're the one claiming there's no heat there. Prove to me that lack of light = lack of heat.

I guess it's normal for those(especially you) who can't understand the physics-math relation.

No, it's normal for people who realize that their talking to someone too stubborn to listen to give up trying to 'debate' with them, espeically when that person isn't actually debating, just repeating themselves over and over again.

Gah, you know what, no. Just no. I'm not doing this. I hate being baited into crap like this and I'm not doing it anymore. Good-bye.

[Jerseymilk]

[Kroni_Hunter]

Z fighters don't experience sonic booms because they're just so strong it doesn't affect them. Yakon's planet is dark because he ate the sun, and goku can get anywhere at the speed of light because the universe is small enough to fit in a giant rice bowl. Any more questions?

[mAcChaos]

Couldn't the planet itself have heat? Like deep within the planet's crust, all that magma, etc.

[caejones]

If there is no light on Yakan's planet, and he eats light... where's his energy come from? Does he eat something else? Does he absorb it from the planet?
... And simply put, life = above absolute 0. The requirements of life generally require activity--activity involves energy--energy implies a nonzero temperature. Light aside... there's some kinda energy out there.

[goodguy777]

Based on your statements, are you telling me that machine gun bullets in dragon ball couldn't kill a person and that it's bullets are visible in the naked eye. And that rocket powered aircraft are slower than dogs. Please prove me that machine gun bullets and rocket powered-aircraft in dragon ball defies the basic principles of physics. At least show some evidence.

Prove to me that 3-foot tall kids transforming into giant apes doesn't defy the princeples of physics in Dragonball.

At least use math to prove me I'm wrong.

Why? You'd ignore it anyway.

Are you paying attention? I said, Toriyama will prove it in his own work if a creature or things defy the principles of physics. For example, 3-foot tall kids transforming into giant apes.

If Toriyama didn't use physics, then why did he use the distance of the earth-to-moon.

http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=8297

Anyway, at least prove me that machine gun bullets and rocket-powered aircrafts (in dragon ball world) are slower than normal humans and dogs.

Yakon's planet is not located in the furthest reaches of space, it is a place where there is no light, stars and sun. The furthest reaches of space and coldest point in space have stars while Yakon's planet has none. At least prove me that a place with no stars isn't the coldest point in space.

So, what, Yakon's planet is in the middle of an empty void that exists outside of everything else? Because that's the only way your statement would make any semblence of sense.

The statement made in the series (and I'm paraphrasing here since it's been a while) is that Yakon's planet exists at the edge of the universe where no light reaches.

And why should I prove anything to you? You're the one claiming there's no heat there. Prove to me that lack of light = lack of heat.

I didn't say anything like that, I want you to prove me that heat exists in a planet where stars doesn't exist.

Energy from the Sun or Star is in the form of sunlight and heat, it also supports all life on Earth.

I guess it's normal for those(especially you) who can't understand the physics-math relation.

No, it's normal for people who realize that their talking to someone too stubborn to listen to give up trying to 'debate' with them, espeically when that person isn't actually debating, just repeating themselves over and over again.

Look who's talking.

Gah, you know what, no. Just no. I'm not doing this. I hate being baited into crap like this and I'm not doing it anymore. Good-bye.

Is it illegal to hide my true identity?

I'm 23 years old from Manila, Philippines. I'm currently studying, taking up Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering, 4th year.

Now tell me if it's illegal and I will edit the information about my occupation and country. Sorry for that.

Couldn't the planet itself have heat? Like deep within the planet's crust, all that magma, etc.

It's impossible for a planet with no stars.

If there is no light on Yakan's planet, and he eats light... where's his energy come from? Does he eat something else? Does he absorb it from the planet?

Yakon only eats light, whether he ate the sun or not, it is unknown. The only truth is "Yakon's planet has no sun or star".

... And simply put, life = above absolute 0. The requirements of life generally require activity--activity involves energy--energy implies a nonzero temperature. Light aside... there's some kinda energy out there.

Yakon's planet has no energy.

Energy from the Sun or Star is in the form of sunlight and heat, it also supports all life on Earth.

[Jerseymilk]

You missed the point to my screencap post. I just find it odd that you have time to be a bank manager *and* full time university student. Hence I'm calling into question that you're claim that you know as much about physics as you say. And now you say you're 23? Wow, a 23 year-old who is already a bank manager? You must have started at the place when you were 15 or something! >>

[SonEric84]

Also, you're arguing physics in relation to the moon...but if you recall, the moon was destroyed TWICE in Dragon Ball with no crazy side effects to the Earth at all. This whole conversation has been beaten to death.

[caejones]

Yakon's planet has no energy.

Yakan lived on his planet. Living requires energy. Yakan's planet has energy, sun or no sun, light or no light.
Light energy is not the only kind of energy. In fact, light from the sun comes from nuclear fusion,which is started because of several other kinds of energy--gravity, for one. (If I get into the physics of nuclear fusion I'd probably say something stupid...).
Even if there is no light, there is a planet. Meaning there is matter that is held together gravitationally. Hence, energy. And Yakan lived ther. Hence, enough energy to sustain life at least temporarily.
Maybe a small amount of energy since there is no sunlight, but there decidedly *is* energy there. This question is pretty well undebatable, and yet...

[goodguy777]

You missed the point to my screencap post. I just find it odd that you have time to be a bank manager *and* full time university student. Hence I'm calling into question that you're claim that you know as much about physics as you say. And now you say you're 23? Wow, a 23 year-old who is already a bank manager? You must have started at the place when you were 15 or something! >>

Are you paying attention?

I already asked you if it's illegal to hide my true identity. What does it mean for you?

Also, you're arguing physics in relation to the moon...but if you recall, the moon was destroyed TWICE in Dragon Ball with no crazy side effects to the Earth at all. This whole conversation has been beaten to death.

The largest effect of the Moon on the Earth is through tidal forces. The Moon's gravitational pull does indeed pull on the bodies of water on the Earth, creating high and low tides. Land doesn't move as easily as water, but in some places the Earth's surface does rise and fall 1-2 inches because of the Moon's gravitational pull. Does it really matter for the story of dragon ball?

Respond to this:

1.) Did Toriyama use physics in earth-to-moon distance? Yes or No

2.) Earth is very advanced (it issaid to take place somewhere around 700s - 800s A.D.; see Age system below). Flying vehicles, capsules that can shrink inanimate objects down to pocket size, robots, and other near-future Sci-Fi staples are common-place on Earth. The architecture is also more advanced. The buildings are usually rounded, often employing spherical or ovoid sections held aloft by a cylindrical stem. Again, prove me that the machine gun bullets and rocket-flying aircrafts in dragon ball are slower than normal human.

Stop pulling arguments out of nowhere.

[SonEric84]

The only one pulling arguments out of nowhere is you. YOU'RE the one who brought the moon into this first, if you recall with your little excerpt from Toriyama's corner. So I didn't pull it out of nowhere, it was a counter-point. I never stated aircraft and machine gun bullets in DB were slower than normal. What is it that you're trying to prove anyway? I don't see what the point of going back and forth like this is. Debates are fine but at this point it just seems like you're being difficult.

[Cypher]

What does this guy want, a pat on the back for bringing this to our attention? I'm sort of confused.