Future Trunks' Timeline and Namek

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:32 pm

Kroni_Hunter wrote:And I don't think Kaio would be that heartless.

He has to be. He oversees the entire North Galaxy, he can't go interfering in every tragedy on every planet in it.

His interventions earlier were special cases, helping his student Goku (the second person ever to cross Snake Way), but Goku's been dead and in heaven for 20 years.

And about that year thing, I always thought that only applied to the Earth Dragon Balls because I think Chaiozu and Tenshinhan had been dead for over a year but were revived with the Namek Balls. They had even agreed to stay for another full year before they found out the Namek year was shorter.

They were dead for 355 days, I think.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:16 pm

Now that we mention Goku, don't you think he'd be up there with King Kai training, and probably concerned for how things are turning out? He wouldn't be just like "Well I'm dead, so much for that!" So then King Kai would have a hard time ignoring it, if he even wanted to.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:33 pm

mAcChaos wrote:Now that we mention Goku, don't you think he'd be up there with King Kai training, and probably concerned for how things are turning out? He wouldn't be just like "Well I'm dead, so much for that!" So then King Kai would have a hard time ignoring it, if he even wanted to.

That is a great point! I'm sure Piccolo, Yamacha, and etc would have the same concept. I'm sure Gohan, after he dies, thinks in that manner as well.

The only exception may be Vegeta.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:21 pm

mAcChaos wrote:Now that we mention Goku, don't you think he'd be up there with King Kai training, and probably concerned for how things are turning out? He wouldn't be just like "Well I'm dead, so much for that!"

That's pretty much exactly how he is after his death in the main timeline...

Forgotten Hero wrote: That is a great point! I'm sure Piccolo, Yamacha, and etc would have the same concept. I'm sure Gohan, after he dies, thinks in that manner as well.

The only exception may be Vegeta.

Vegeta would be in Hell.

As for the others, I figure Krillin and Chiaotzu have died three times, so they might just figure on staying dead. Yamcha probably would see it as coming back to life to die again, and Tien wouldn't leave Chiaotzu. After seeing Super Saiyan Vegeta get murdered, I doubt they're gung-ho about fighting the Androids again (and that's if they didn't just go on to Heaven instead of hanging with King Kai).

As for Piccolo, I dunno. Maybe he got sent to Hell too. Maybe King Yemma forbid the ol' "bring Piccolo back with Namek's DBs, then bring everybody back with Earth's!".

That's all just conjecture off the top of my head, though. Could make an interesting story if someone wants to take a whack at it.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:25 pm

Vegeta would be in Hell.

As for the others, I figure Krillin and Chiaotzu have died three times, so they might just figure on staying dead. Yamcha probably would see it as coming back to life to die again, and Tenshinhan wouldn't leave Chiaotzu. After seeing Super Saiyan Vegeta get murdered, I doubt they're gung-ho about fighting the Androids again (and that's if they didn't just go on to Heaven instead of hanging with King Kai).

As for Piccolo, I dunno. Maybe he got sent to Hell too. Maybe King Yemma forbid the ol' "bring Piccolo back with Namek's DBs, then bring everybody back with Earth's!".

That's all just conjecture off the top of my head, though. Could make an interesting story if someone wants to take a whack at it.

That is an interesting view on the subject. I may take our ideas somewhere.
I have been wanting to do a fan fi for a while.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:34 pm

Rocketman wrote:
mAcChaos wrote:Now that we mention Goku, don't you think he'd be up there with King Kai training, and probably concerned for how things are turning out? He wouldn't be just like "Well I'm dead, so much for that!"
That's pretty much exactly how he is after his death in the main timeline...

Not when the Earth was experiencing a threat, though.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:45 pm

I don't think Trunks would ever use the DBs to bring everybody back, at least after returning from the past. The Vegeta he grew to know is a different man from the one he would be reviving and I don't think he'd feel right doing it. Maybe Gohan, but that's as far as I see him going.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:00 pm

mAcChaos wrote:Not when the Earth was experiencing a threat, though.

He could've killed Fat Buu with SSJ3, but handed it off to the retard kids.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:07 pm

He could've killed Fat Buu with SSJ3, but handed it off to the retard kids.

Gotenks was strong but too damn cocky! He should have just gonna SSJ3 to start with...

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:33 pm

Rocketman wrote:
mAcChaos wrote:Not when the Earth was experiencing a threat, though.
He could've killed Fat Buu with SSJ3, but handed it off to the retard kids.

Yeah, but when they couldn't do it he came back and finished the job.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:17 am

I don't think it's asking a lot from King Kai to find the location of a planet. King Kai has always been very willing to help Goku and co without asking for anything to return. He seems to genuinely consider them friends at least more so than his fellow kais. That's why i said it would be heartless of him to abandon the other Z fighters just because Goku can't be wished back.

The only acceptable reason for not going to New Namek immediately after everyone was killed would be if the androids destroyed all of the Earth's space technology. That would have taken the Earthlings too long to rebuild a ship and get to Namek.

BTW Rocketman where did you get your numbers for how long Tien and Chaiozu were dead? When I do the math up in my head it just seems like they've been dead longer than that.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:27 am

Kroni_Hunter wrote:I don't think someone who can build a time machine would have lost all of her labs and space supplies.

Not all of them. Space travel and time travel are very different things, and would likely need very different components. If the cities were vastly destroyed in the Mirai timeline this could easily include at least one key lab for space components- or any of the launch pads and materials needed to get it off the ground and going. The time machine was new technology- it would have been made with her limited capacities already in mind.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:28 am

Velasa wrote:
Kroni_Hunter wrote:I don't think someone who can build a time machine would have lost all of her labs and space supplies.
Not all of them. Space travel and time travel are very different things, and would likely need very different components. If the cities were vastly destroyed in the Mirai timeline this could easily include at least one key lab for space components- or any of the launch pads and materials needed to get it off the ground and going. The time machine was new technology- it would have been made with her limited capacities already in mind.

I agree!

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:35 am

Here's another way they could have reached Namek:

Goku just saved the whole universe from Freeza. Baba could have gotten Goku to return for a day and he could Instant Transmission to Namek and make the wish to revive everyone. Then they could all enter the hyperbolic time chamber and train until they were strong enough to win. Hey if you are dead and you enter the hyperbolic time chamber does the 24 hours still count while you're inside?

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:20 am

I think that in that timeline, he already used his day back to say his goodbyes.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:29 am

Kroni_Hunter wrote:Here's another way they could have reached Namek:

Goku just saved the whole universe from Freeza. Baba could have gotten Goku to return for a day and he could Instant Transmission to Namek and make the wish to revive everyone. Then they could all enter the hyperbolic time chamber and train until they were strong enough to win. Hey if you are dead and you enter the hyperbolic time chamber does the 24 hours still count while you're inside?

That is true! But I seriously doubt Toriyama was thinking that far ahead. That concept, Baba's ability, did come about until the tournament pre-Majin Buu.

Thanos6 wrote:I think that in that timeline, he already used his day back to say his goodbyes.

That we don't know, nor was it ever implied by Toriyama.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:33 am

Forgotten Hero wrote:
Thanos6 wrote:I think that in that timeline, he already used his day back to say his goodbyes.
That we don't know, nor was it ever implied by Toriyama.

Sure there isn't any concrete evidence to back it up, but we can speculate that he would because that was what he used his day back for in the present timeline (that and saving everyone's ass

).

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:50 am

SSJ2bardock wrote: Sure there isn't any concrete evidence to back it up, but we can speculate that he would because that was what he used his day back for in the present timeline (that and saving everyone's ass ).

But it is only speculation.

Yeah, Goku did save everyone's ass! Again!

Well, then a new theory can be formed! If Goku could come back. He could have trained with Kaio-Sama to the point where he could have defeated the androids! Ha ha! I'm only joking! It's fun to imagine though

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:04 am

Yes, it's speculation. That's why I said I THINK.

But I *think* it makes sense.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:15 am

Baba's "bac for a day" power was used before the 22nd tournament when Goku fought Grandpa Gohan.

Kaio typically has to be paying close attention to know details even as specific as the chaos on Earth in the wake of 17 and 18, weirdly enough...

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And... while it doesn't exactly acount for anything canon-wise... This fanfic kicks ridiculous amounts of ass, with regards to the cosmos as a whole, but specifcallyfocuses on the events immediately following the appearance of #17 and #18 in the mirai timeline.
It discounts what we see of heaven and hell in the anime, though, in light of weaving an apocalyptic web of sorts.
It's long, though it addresses the Namek Dragonballs question and then some...
(Oh, jees, how much does it not explain? Ur... yeah. DoraMouse might be my favorite fanfic author ever. Now if only Eclipse and Blasphemy would magically see completion after a three year hiatus...

. ).

... I think I'm going to forego productive activities and reread the linked fic again, now.