Would GT have been more bearable had...

[Conan the SSJ]

Was that intended to make him doubt the "Faulconer/GT" stance or support it more?

Yep. And SSj2Bardock, it did make me think that originally.

Well, to support it. Hopefully I did a decent job on that vid in your view.

[SSJ2bardock]

Yeah it was a pretty spiffy video, could've been better with voices, but don't know if that's even possible.

[Gozar]

I don't know how bearable it would have been to more I guess I'll say "Hardcore" fans. Because in the end it's still a series full of contradictions, fully of poorly executed plots, just not a very good continuation at all.

Would it have been slightly better? Yes I do think so.

[saiyanprincess]

I'll just compile a quick list of five of what I can think of before I jump in the car for work... On a Sunday!

1. The serious lack of action and decent fighting in the beginning and whilst Pann, Trunks and Goku were in space.

2. The robot Gill was almost as annoying as Pann herself. I cheered when he got broken, why did they fix him!

3. Vegeta was given a moustache! - What and who did this! Whoever it is deserves to be put in the stocks and all the daizenshu members throw cold vegetables and wet sponges at them. Either that or tie them to the back of the car and drive down the road. (I do not believe Akira would ever do this, he is my hero.)

4. Trunks wears that annoying outfit in space with the yellow cowboy hankerchief thing. He should be wearing Saiyan armour or at least show a bit of muscle

5. There is very little Roshi action of his feeble attempts to attract woman and getting battered with chairs, plants etc.

6. I will have to add this one even though it's a list of five. I didn't particuarly like the ending of GT with Goku going off on the dragon. It seems to much is left unanswered.

[saiyanprincess]

Maybe it would have been better...but I doubt it. It would have still been all Goku, which seems to be the big gripe with GT anyway. Actually, I wish they chibified Goku and Vegeta together for awhile. I'd love to see them two off in space together. I think Goku and Vegeta Jr. gave me a taste for it.

Now that would be worth watching.

Sorry to double post ! But wow.... Please go and write scripts That would have been so awesome!
I can imagine it would have been similar to the innards of Buu (Also one of my favourite episodes.)

If they both got shrunk down to size, Imagine a chibi Vegeta and Goku having to actually work together.

[jaywonder]

It kinda bothered me that in the end, all of the Z fighters died and only Pan was left, not to mention that they never said what happened to Goku Jr's parents.



I pretty much feel that GT either doesn't exist, or it was a version of an alternate universe, similar to the Tenchi series

[Vekurotto]

GT is only bad because of the plots and the contradictions. Goku as a child again is supposed to be the appeal of the series and I like it but it just doesn't capture the mood that Toei was going for.

[Rocketman]

Goku becoming a child was a decent idea to start the story and make him more equal with the featherweights Pan and Trunks.

Goku remaining a child after the Baby Saga was a problem.

But it's entirely independent of the main shittiness of GT - that everyone is completely worthless except Goku. Even Gogeta has too much not-Goku to be allowed to do anything.

[Vekurotto]

Goku remaining a child after the Baby Saga was a problem.

Yeah after that arc Goku should have returned back to normal.

[Kid Trunks]

GT reminds me so much of "Rocky V". In a weird way, Pan took a lot of the limelight. Just like Rocky's kid. God I hate Rocky V.

[Deep Thought]

What bothers me about Goku being a child was that there was never any point to it whatsoever. Seriously, from a story standpoint, would it be any different if Pilaf wished to be taller than Goku or something instead?

[Jerseymilk]

What bothers me about Goku being a child was that there was never any point to it whatsoever. Seriously, from a story standpoint, would it be any different if Pilaf wished to be taller than Goku or something instead?

Well I always figured that their reasons behind it were,
1: They were trying to make GT a combination of DB and DBZ. They make Goku a child and then throw in an excuse to adventure, and have the big, epic fights.
2: By the end of Z, Goku was so powerful that I think the creators reasoned that by making him a child again, that sort of was a way to put a stopgap on his power. Let's face it, by then Goku was so powerful that enemies wouldn't last very long with him. So it gave the show a reason to have the fights more drawn out and whatnot. Of course he eventually regained his ability to go SSJ, etc., but ya....again it's GT. >>

The one thing I always thought was especially lame was the fact that when Goku transformed into SSJ4 he was an adult again and then as soon as he was out of the stage, he went back to being a child. Just stupid. -_- So I see GT as the creators trying to capture both the charm of DB and the excitement of DBZ. Just that they failed miserably. ^^;

[johnboy1]

I pretty much feel that GT either doesn't exist, or it was a version of an alternate universe, similar to the Tenchi series

You're probably not too far off the mark. The presence of movie characters and full-bodied villains in Hell (which completely contradicts Toriyama's description of the wicked after they die) indicates that GT, the movies, and all contradictory filler take place in an alternate universe that bears some similarity to the universe of the manga and the straight-adaptation portions of the anime. Let's call the manga's world Earth-A and GT's world Earth-B. For example:

In Earth-A:
-Kami-sama created the seven Dragon Balls, and the public is largely unaware of them outside of legend.
-Android 8 was created by Dr. Gero alone and failed in his evil purposes.
-When an evil person dies, their soul is cleansed before being sent to Hell.
-The gang first meets Gohan just prior to Raditz's arrival.
-Raditz believes that a meteor destroyed planet Vegeta, and the subject is never brought up while Goku is with Kaiô-sama.
-Scargo is killed by Freeza.
-Gohan never meets Icarus.
-Goku can control his Super Saiyan form by the time he reaches Earth after Freeza's death.
-In an alternate future, Trunks becomes a Super Saiyan before Gohan's death.
-Trunks from the main timeline never receives a sword.
-There are no known adventures of Goku and the gang after he leaves with Oob.

In Earth-B:
-Through various contrivances, all of the Z movies occur (I REALLY don't feel like justifying all of them). Hence, the gang at least knows of Gohan before Raditz's arrival, Gohan meets Icarus, Goku can't control his Super Saiyan form after returning to Earth, and Trunks receives a sword that he will use in GT.
-The child of Katatz created the Black Star Dragon Balls and subsequently hid them in his palace.
-After the split, Kami-sama created a single Dragon Ball and revealed it to the nations of the Earth. They began to war over it, so he smashed it into seven pieces and scattered them over the Earth.
-Android 8 was a collaborative project between Dr. Gero and Dr. Flappe. Gero, having failed in his previous 7 projects and wanting a second opinion, provided a base on which Flappe improved. Since he laid the groundwork for the project, he still claimed it as his, even though Flappe put the real effort into it.
-When an evil person dies, they sometimes keep their body through some unknown criteria (perhaps they are too evil to cleanse, or perhaps they are too strong to be contained in the washing machine).
-Raditz seriously suspects that Freeza is behind planet Vegeta's destruction, but does not voice it to Goku because it would decrease his odds of joining and because Freeza might be monitoring his scouter. Kaiô-sama lies about the planet's destruction so Goku won't get it into his head to try and fight Freeza.
-Scargo is killed by Dodoria.
-In an alternate future, Trunks becomes a Super Saiyan as a result of Gohan's death.
-Five years after Goku leaves with Oob, the events of GT take place.

I obviously haven't covered all the bases (especially with the movies), but that's how it should break down.

[Raki]

johnboy1, that reminds me of that Crisis on Infinite Earths....what a mess that was.

[johnboy1]

Indeed, the DC Multiverse is a huge influence on my theory. Plus, I like to obsess over continuity related issues (I made working timeline for the myriad Night of the Living Dead sequels, if you want to see it). I'm glad they've made the Multiverse a bit more accessible now that there's only 52 worlds instead of the 196,833 we had beforehand. That sucked.

[testing223]

I read an interview once that Toriyama approved of the kid-Goku story.

Note that having a super-strong kid character was a constant in EVERY Dragonball arc. It's a recurring joke/moment of shock when the little kid smacks around Big Buff Guy 12.

So for GT being demonized for the stupid GokuKid story...Toriyama would've done something similar.

[Sun_Wukong]

My problem with GT is it tried to turn the Dragonball series into something its not. It tried to turn it into a "Tenchi-Muyo" type series. The series tried to blend genres too much. It had the comedy elements from DB, and the Sci-Fi elements from DBZ, but it tried to add too much else into the mix.

[Musume]

3. Vegeta was given a moustache! - What and who did this! Whoever it is deserves to be put in the stocks and all the daizenshu members throw cold vegetables and wet sponges at them. Either that or tie them to the back of the car and drive down the road. (I do not believe Akira would ever do this, he is my hero.)

I may be mistaken, but I heard that it WAS Toriyama that had nudged Vegeta's character design in that direction. His daughter told him that it looked stupid, and that's why Bra is the one that ends up getting Vegeta to shave it off. =D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PehB998eXTE