Question about a dub line in the Garlic Jr. Saga

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Post by NeptuneKai » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:57 pm

Onikage725 wrote:
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Rocketman wrote: The little guy uses a sling to smash a rock into the giant's frontal lobes, then cuts off his head with the giant's own sword and takes his armor.

It's from the Bible.
Wholesome moralistic fun for everybody Rocketman!
Why does this remind me of fake Namek?
Because the bible is filler too.
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Post by Rocketman » Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:10 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:Because the bible is filler too.
Let's not bring religious wars on here.

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Post by NeptuneKai » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:57 pm

Rocketman wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:Because the bible is filler too.
Let's not bring religious wars on here.
If someone is that insecure about their religion to take that little stupid blurb as a personal attack I say fuck em'.
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Post by Wojak » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:18 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
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NeptuneKai wrote:Because the bible is filler too.
Let's not bring religious wars on here.
If someone is that insecure about their religion to take that little stupid blurb as a personal attack I say fuck em'.
You can not decide how people should react as someone makes "jokes" about their personal beliefs, and what their reactions are reflecting (such as you guessed "insecureness"). It's not your place to do that.
And as religion is personal, and some people easily offended, let's not poke that bear, okay?
Let's discuss Dragonball, and keep religion out of it as much as possible,
(That combination has been shown being a terrible mess before, believe me).
Casual Matt wrote:Eh, the FUNi dub of the Garlic Junior Arc still has the best line from anything ever:

Krillin: I dunno, Piccolo, that plan sounds pretty half baked to me.
Piccolo: I assure you, it's fully baked.

Top notch.
Non- Garlic Jr. EPIC lines:

Piccolo: Is it over?
Vegeta: Not until the fish jumps!
Vegeta. It's over.

Never gets too old.
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Post by NeptuneKai » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:20 pm

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Rocketman wrote: Let's not bring religious wars on here.
If someone is that insecure about their religion to take that little stupid blurb as a personal attack I say fuck em'.
You can not decide how people should react as someone makes "jokes" about their personal beliefs, and what their reactions are reflecting (such as you guessed "insecureness"). It's not your place to do that.
And as religion is personal, and some people easily offended, let's not poke that bear, okay?
Let's discuss Dragonball, and keep religion out of it as much as possible,
(That combination has been shown being a terrible mess before, believe me).
"insecurness" isn't a word. If people are so insecure about their little religion and go "SOME GUI MADE A SENTENCE FRAGMENT SOMEWHAT REGARDING MY RELIGION!!11 I MUST QUOTE JOHN 3:89 and ARGUE WITH HIM NOA!!!" I'm not going to take them seriously simple as that. It's very much my place to do that actually.
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Post by Wojak » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:24 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
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NeptuneKai wrote: If someone is that insecure about their religion to take that little stupid blurb as a personal attack I say fuck em'.
You can not decide how people should react as someone makes "jokes" about their personal beliefs, and what their reactions are reflecting (such as you guessed "insecureness"). It's not your place to do that.
And as religion is personal, and some people easily offended, let's not poke that bear, okay?
Let's discuss Dragonball, and keep religion out of it as much as possible,
(That combination has been shown being a terrible mess before, believe me).
"insecurness" isn't a word. If people are so insecure about their little religion and go "SOME GUI MADE A SENTENCE FRAGMENT SOMEWHAT REGARDING MY RELIGION!!11 I MUST QUOTE JOHN 3:89 and ARGUE WITH HIM NOA!!!" I'm not going to take them seriously simple as that.
You have already said that. No need to repeat that.
And also, I'm not born with English as my mother language, so cut me some slack, will ya? Trying my best here.
Also, your typing is awful.

EDIT: Insecurity, that's what I meant. I had it within me all the time. I am so happy.

And also, I'm going to stick with it not being in your place to tell people not getting offended.
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Post by NeptuneKai » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:27 pm

Wojak wrote: You have already said that. No need to repeat that.
Ha ha...irony.
Wojack wrote: Also, your typing is awful.
I see human sarcasm was not programmed into your database.
To mock a less then intelligent person one in this English speaking country will often type improperly to parody their low level of intelligence.


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And also, I'm going to stick with it not being in your place to tell people not getting offended.
That's cool I'm going to stick with it is.
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Post by Wojak » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:30 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Wojak wrote: You have already said that. No need to repeat that.
Ha ha...irony.

[quote="Wojack]
Also, your typing is awful.
I see human sarcasm was not programmed into your database.
To mock a less then intelligent person one in this English speaking country will often type improperly to parody their low level of intelligence.


The more you Know.[/quote]
Of course I am mocking you. You type worse than a high-school student. From my country! Where we aren't teached in English!
I may not be the best, but you lie waaay down the scale.

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Post by NeptuneKai » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:32 pm

Nah you seem to be making an ass of yourself just fine without my aid. Your lack of reading comprehension and grammatical skills speak for themselves, also I may not have spelled your name right but at least I can properly use quotes. :roll:

Edit: Anyway this thread served its purpose and I got a few lulz, Mr.EX you can lock this or do whatever you please.
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Post by Rocketman » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:45 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:If someone is that insecure about their religion to take that little stupid blurb as a personal attack I say fuck em'.
Oh come on, now. No religion, political alignment, or fast food deserves to be equated with Namek Filler. Maybe Nazism....maybe. :P

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Post by NeptuneKai » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:47 pm

Rocketman wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:If someone is that insecure about their religion to take that little stupid blurb as a personal attack I say fuck em'.
Oh come on, now. No religion, political alignment, or fast food deserves to be equated with Namek Filler. Maybe Nazism....maybe. :P
Yeah you have a point, I didn't realize how many foreign countries I was offending by comparing their religion to Namek filler. I'm deeply sorry everyone...I'll go repent to Kami.
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Post by Onikage725 » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:22 pm

Wojak wrote:Non- Garlic Jr. EPIC lines:

Piccolo: Is it over?
Vegeta: Not until the fish jumps!
Vegeta. It's over.

Never gets too old.
I actually hate that 4th wall breaking line. It'd be hilarious in a fan parody, but it just seemed so out of place to me in an "official" adaptation. Maybe it's just because I was so familiar with the movie before the english DVD came out (I got it back in '99 or 2000, so I'd probably seen it a dozen times), but I always liked the in-universe approach the original had. Everyone wonders about Piccolo and Vegeta. We cut to them sitting grumpily on this rock, and the tension is broken by this random fish jumping. End film. The SNL take on it the dub took just felt kinda off to me.

Since Vegeta really wouldn't know that "The Fish" was going to be jumping in order to signal credits, the scene just feels like an outtake of Chris Sabat cracking a joke to himself. And they happened to leave it in the final cut.

And on the religion stuff... I was really just cracking a joke about Kuririn coming across a sleeping giant doing absolutely nothing to no one, deciding he wants his dragon ball, and proceeding to victimize the giant.
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Post by Wojak » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:35 pm

Onikage725 wrote:
Wojak wrote:Non- Garlic Jr. EPIC lines:

Piccolo: Is it over?
Vegeta: Not until the fish jumps!
Vegeta. It's over.

Never gets too old.
I actually hate that 4th wall breaking line. It'd be hilarious in a fan parody, but it just seemed so out of place to me in an "official" adaptation. Maybe it's just because I was so familiar with the movie before the english DVD came out (I got it back in '99 or 2000, so I'd probably seen it a dozen times), but I always liked the in-universe approach the original had. Everyone wonders about Piccolo and Vegeta. We cut to them sitting grumpily on this rock, and the tension is broken by this random fish jumping. End film. The SNL take on it the dub took just felt kinda off to me.

Since Vegeta really wouldn't know that "The Fish" was going to be jumping in order to signal credits, the scene just feels like an outtake of Chris Sabat cracking a joke to himself. And they happened to leave it in the final cut.

And on the religion stuff... I was really just cracking a joke about Kuririn coming across a sleeping giant doing absolutely nothing to no one, deciding he wants his dragon ball, and proceeding to victimize the giant.
I agree that the fish jumping would be funny too in silence. Unfortunately, I haven't watched the original yet, so I can't compare.
What I think about those lines in the dub, is tthat they are so funny because of them being out-of-character.
Piccolo would never ask Vegeta such a question, and for Vegeta saying "not until the fish jumps", it's really out of character too.
And then the fish actually jumps, with Vegeta quickly saying: "It's over", like he wasn't really expecting that.
But I am also that guy that likes dry humor :wink:

About the joke with Krillin and the dog: :lol: Good stuff.
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Post by Conan the SSJ » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:36 pm

saiyanprincess wrote:I'm not sure but I think David and Goliath
About that "Haven't you ever heard the story of David and Goliath?" line, I find it intriguing how people would complain about this line back in the day. However, in DBZ movie 5's Japanese version when Coola says he wants to crucify Goku, no-one questions the sense of that line. I just find that interesting, go on.
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Post by Rocketman » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:46 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:About that "Haven't you ever heard the story of David and Goliath?" line, I find it intriguing how people would complain about this line back in the day. However, in DBZ movie 5's Japanese version when Coola says he wants to crucify Goku, no-one questions the sense of that line. I just find that interesting, go on.
Shot in the dark.... it's probably because crucifixion is widely known as a barbaric/'evil' method of executing the death penalty.

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Post by NeptuneKai » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:50 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:
saiyanprincess wrote:I'm not sure but I think David and Goliath
About that "Haven't you ever heard the story of David and Goliath?" line, I find it intriguing how people would complain about this line back in the day. However, in DBZ movie 5's Japanese version when Coola says he wants to crucify Goku, no-one questions the sense of that line. I just find that interesting, go on.
You probably know better then I but isn't crucifying merely a form of torture,it doesn't really need to have any religious context does it?
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Post by Wojak » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:59 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
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saiyanprincess wrote:I'm not sure but I think David and Goliath
About that "Haven't you ever heard the story of David and Goliath?" line, I find it intriguing how people would complain about this line back in the day. However, in DBZ movie 5's Japanese version when Coola says he wants to crucify Goku, no-one questions the sense of that line. I just find that interesting, go on.
You probably know better then I but isn't crucifying merely a form of torture,it doesn't really need to have any religious context does it?
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Source - Wikipedia.com:

Crucifixion (from Latin crucifixio, noun of process crucifixio, from perfect passive participle crucifixus, fixed to a cross, from prefix cruci-, cross, + verb ficere, fix or do, variant form of facere, do or make )[1]is an ancient method of execution, whereby the condemned person is tied or nailed to a large wooden cross (of various shapes) and left to hang until dead.

It was in use particularly among the Persians, Seleucids, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD, when in the year 337 Emperor Constantine I abolished it in his empire, out of veneration for Jesus Christ, the most famous victim of crucifixion.[2][3] It has sometimes been used even in modern times.


Seems like it was a non-religious excecution.
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Post by Rocketman » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:13 pm

Wojak wrote:Seems like it was a non-religious excecution.
Wait...you guys seriously didn't know that? :?

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Post by NeptuneKai » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:16 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Wojak wrote:Seems like it was a non-religious excecution.
Wait...you guys seriously didn't know that? :?
I knew that, but why would it be an issue for Cooler to say it then if it is just a form of torture? David and Goliath is a biblical story therefore aliens shouldn't know of it. However crucifixion is just a form of torture that is probably universal, you could argue he shouldn't know the term but then you'd have to argue the fact that he knows Japanese too if you want to bring that type of realism into it.

Edit: In fact Christianity doesn't even really exist in the Dragonworld does it?
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Post by Wojak » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:32 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Wojak wrote:Seems like it was a non-religious excecution.
Wait...you guys seriously didn't know that? :?
I just took the opportunity to show my mad Wiki skillz :D .

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Edit: In fact Christianity doesn't even really exist in the Dragonworld does it?
The only thing I can think of is the Vampire in early Dragonball and Upa forming a cross.
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