Help with deciding on "remastered" DBZ.

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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:17 am

People, people!

Deep Thought has already made up his mind to purchase the seasons regardless, so any opinions generalizing how good or bad the sets are collectively or in comparison to other releases (DragonBox, Madman, etc.) make for something inherently counterproductive. He seems to be looking for comparisons between the individual Sets and not a judgment on the line as a whole, so maybe we should try to stick to that.

That being said, there's a lot of helpful opinions already. :D


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Post by DragoonClawNZ » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:20 am

True. Anyway, it's his decision, not ours. We don't have to tell him what to do.
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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:28 am

We're not, though. He's asking for the opinions of people from the most knowledgeable DragonBall forum on the planet, and we're . . . well, giving them. :)


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Post by Captain Awesome » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:42 am

The Madman releases are identical, aside from being PAL format and having some minor authoring issues, they're the same thing.

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Post by Deep Thought » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:55 am

Kendamu wrote:With the ground rules you set for this thread, you're just asking for people to justify your purchases.

You get what you pay for. Jumpy, dirty frames. Colors being off (especially on Season 2). However, lots of episodes.

You get what you pay for and I can say this based off of Seasons 1 through 4 and the Trunks/Bardock specials.

You don't mind those quality issues? Spend the money. That's all I can say based off of what you're telling me I can say.
MajinVejitaXV wrote: Doesn't that make this whole topic...err, moot?

All your answers can be found in other threads though.

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I'm getting the season sets because I basically have no choice. Can't understand Japanese at all, so Dragon Boxes are out. Funi single releases are too rare and expensive (comparatively to the season sets). I'm not familiar with European releases at all. Besides, I doubt the England releases are any better, I can't speak any European language fluently yet, and I doubt my PS3 could even run them.

When was I asking people to justify it? The only time I said anything remotely close to justification was to ignore the widescreen, because I saw some season set clips on YouTube and the widescreen looks tolerable.

The reason why I started this thread is because some season sets are better than others. You act like the season sets haven't changed in quality and that all of them are as bad a season 2. However, from what I've heard, and this thread confirms it, season 3 improves the quality significantly.

@MajinVejitaXV: No to sound lazy, but that's way too hard. I'd have to dig up the topic by searching through pages, read all the pages to get a general consensus (these topic usually have thirteen pages). Then repeat seven times.

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Post by Vegard Aune » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:20 pm

Deep Thought wrote:Besides, I doubt the England releases are any better, I can't speak any European language fluently yet, and I doubt my PS3 could even run them.
Definitely not, as the only Dragonball-DVDs available in the UK is the infamous "Big Green-dub" of the movies, and as far as I know, those don't even come with the japanese track.

But yeah, as so many others have already said, Season one looks okay for the most part, Season two looks terrible, and while I haven't bought anything beyond that, I've heard that they get better for each set after that. Season six actually seems pretty great, if you can ignore the cropping, which also seems to have been significantly reduced. (Heck, compared to FUNi's old singles, you're hardly losing anything at all.)

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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:47 pm

Deep Thought wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote: Doesn't that make this whole topic...err, moot?

All your answers can be found in other threads though.

-Corey
@MajinVejitaXV: No to sound lazy, but that's way too hard. I'd have to dig up the topic by searching through pages, read all the pages to get a general consensus (these topic usually have thirteen pages). Then repeat seven times.
Much as I love ya, Corey, I'm gonna hafta agree with the OP here. The recommendation is well-placed but marginally beneficial, considering that just about every one of those threads is a 60+ page graveyard of ZOMG FUNEE VS. DRAGOHNBOX. I mean, c'mon; imagine what he'd hafta sift through. :D


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Post by Raki » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:07 pm

DragoonClawNZ wrote:
Even though Season One and Two may look oversaturated but I still find it really sharp on my TV. As for the disappearing lines, I find it appealing in a way, I'm not going to bother explaining why. Though I have to say, Season Six is by far the best release yet, was very happy with the result.
There is nothing I find appealing about missing animation lines.
The series doesn't start with the arrival of Raditz. Stop being lazy and watch Dragonball.

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Post by Kendamu » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:08 pm

Deep Thought wrote:When was I asking people to justify it? The only time I said anything remotely close to justification was to ignore the widescreen, because I saw some season set clips on YouTube and the widescreen looks tolerable.

The reason why I started this thread is because some season sets are better than others. You act like the season sets haven't changed in quality and that all of them are as bad a season 2. However, from what I've heard, and this thread confirms it, season 3 improves the quality significantly.
Which has what to do with anything? You were gonna get them in the first place. You set all these rules about "bashing" and whatnot. All that's left is patting you on the back and going, "Well, if that's what you want to do... I'll support you in your decision."

It seemed like you were trying as hard as possible to keep people from talking you out of it, but at the same time you were coming really close to giving people the opportunity to do so. Like dangling a dog biscuit right outside the dog's reach and telling him to try and get it.

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Post by Kaboom » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:24 pm

Again, he just wanted a comparison of the various sets to each other, not to anything else.
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Post by shotkeeper » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:34 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Well, let's see.
Everything he says, I agree on and since I have my DBZ season seven. I would say buy DBZ season six and seven first. Season seven almost looks like season six, it has grain, good colors, Sharp(but every season is sharp) and didn't notice a single broken line. So for starters those sets would be perfect, but there's a problem lol. If you bought the good ones first, you would hate the quality of the others even more. If you get what I mean.

Also the movies, they're excelent. Pro releases, nice covers, not a single broken line, very nice colors, no blur and Sharper than ever. Upscaled, they look like Blu ray.

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Post by Deep Thought » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:24 pm

Kendamu wrote:
Which has what to do with anything? You were gonna get them in the first place. You set all these rules about "bashing" and whatnot. All that's left is patting you on the back and going, "Well, if that's what you want to do... I'll support you in your decision."

It seemed like you were trying as hard as possible to keep people from talking you out of it, but at the same time you were coming really close to giving people the opportunity to do so. Like dangling a dog biscuit right outside the dog's reach and telling him to try and get it.
Stop acting like there's all these other options for me, when there isn't. If you want to suggest other releases, then fine, but keep in mind that I can't speak any other language besides English. Seriously, though, what other options are there? 1000$ Japanese only, no subtitled Dragon Boxes? Bootlegs?

By all means, talk me out of it, but I don't know what other releases are there.

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Post by VegettoEX » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:32 pm

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Kendamu wrote:
Which has what to do with anything? You were gonna get them in the first place. You set all these rules about "bashing" and whatnot. All that's left is patting you on the back and going, "Well, if that's what you want to do... I'll support you in your decision."

It seemed like you were trying as hard as possible to keep people from talking you out of it, but at the same time you were coming really close to giving people the opportunity to do so. Like dangling a dog biscuit right outside the dog's reach and telling him to try and get it.
Stop acting like there's all these other options for me, when there isn't. If you want to suggest other releases, then fine, but keep in mind that I can't speak any other language besides English. Seriously, though, what other options are there? 1000$ Japanese only, no subtitled Dragon Boxes? Bootlegs?

By all means, talk me out of it, but I don't know what other releases are there.
Kendamu said absolutely *nothing* about other "options" in the above-quoted post.

You created a thread and set "rules" that left absolutely no practical advise that could be given OTHER THAN a justification of what you essentially said you were going to do, anyway.

So how on Earth are you getting upset...?
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Post by Deep Thought » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:24 pm

VegettoEX wrote: Kendamu said absolutely *nothing* about other "options" in the above-quoted post.

You created a thread and set "rules" that left absolutely no practical advise that could be given OTHER THAN a justification of what you essentially said you were going to do, anyway.

So how on Earth are you getting upset...?
Because everyone is acting like that is a big deal or something. I explained why it's limited, but people are still making a big deal about it.

As I said, I don't have anything else to choose from, so how come people think I'm acting like a huge asshole for making a couple of rules?

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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:15 am

I don't think that anyone's out to make you look like an asshole.

Now that you have all these opinions, though . . . have you come to a decision on which set or sets you'll be getting first? 'Cuz if we ain't even helped ya t'decide so much as just that, then this thread's probably gonna help ya less and less as it slowly begins to derail.


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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:25 pm

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VegettoEX wrote: Kendamu said absolutely *nothing* about other "options" in the above-quoted post.

You created a thread and set "rules" that left absolutely no practical advise that could be given OTHER THAN a justification of what you essentially said you were going to do, anyway.

So how on Earth are you getting upset...?
Because everyone is acting like that is a big deal or something. I explained why it's limited, but people are still making a big deal about it.

As I said, I don't have anything else to choose from, so how come people think I'm acting like a huge asshole for making a couple of rules?
The problem is that you left no room for discussion, and so if there's no room for discussion, then what is the point of even starting a discussion in the first place...?

People have told you countless times already in this thread that if you know what you're getting for a product (which you clearly do), then go ahead and buy it. You've already said you're going to, anyway, so again... if you don't want to have a discussion on it, why did you start a discussion on it...?

As for which sets to buy... well, which part(s) of the series/movies do you like the most? Clearly that should be your priority list, and none of us can tell you which story elements are YOUR favorite(s).
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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:58 pm

VegettoEX wrote:As for which sets to buy... well, which part(s) of the series/movies do you like the most? Clearly that should be your priority list, and none of us can tell you which story elements are YOUR favorite(s).
Well, he's made it apparent that he plans to buy the series out of order regardless. He hasn't mentioned which parts of the series he likes best with regards to actual content, so I'm guessing that he ain't feelin' that kind of "priority" the way the rest of us do-- probably what matters to him the most right now is which individual sets look better compared to others, as that's why he's buying them out of order to begin with.


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Post by shotkeeper » Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:39 pm

I already said take season six and seven first, because they are the best quality so far ...

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