Vegeta barely used any energy. His body alone was physically weakened to the point where he could have died, but he still had the ability to destroy planets with his ki if he wanted to. With Vegeta's energy, Goku gained enough power that could overpower Broly's. Personally, I don't think Goku should have been able to kill Broly with all that power because it was being emphasized so much that Broly's power just kept growing(if that makes any sense).Duo wrote: Goku collected the energy of near dead base Saiya'jin and one Namekian somehow gave him the power to match Broli? Horseshit. If his power truly was maximum, it would have ended with a near dead Goku grabbing everyone and Teleporting just as the comet hit, or something.
Why does everyone love Broly?
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B wrote:Best postOmiclock wrote:Because his power is maximum of course.
Yeah, he's HARDCORE MAXIMUM GONNA FUCK YOU UP, apparently.
Truly he is the greatest super hero this world has to offer.
Without disparaging Broly fans, I think this gives perhaps a bit of an insight as to at least who might like him
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People love Broli because he is the Dragon Ball Z equivalent of the Incredible Hulk.
I wouldn’t say I love Broli, but he’s probably my second favorite movie villain (next to Janemba). He’s appealing to me because he’s the epitome of Saiyan barbarism; having been in isolation all his life, he's not inhibited by the same societal instruments to which the Z Fighters all ultimately dance. He fills the void left by Vegeta's (albeit shaky) moral conversion and Gokū’s diminished “Super star” status. The monster-out-of-the-cage scenario also really heightens the sense of doom he would already easily command, as evidenced by the brutal beatings he dishes out to four of the strongest fighters in that portion of the universe simultaneously, and with little visible effort.
The paradox of Broli’s power becomes apparent toward the end of his introductory movie when, although his opponents would realistically all surely be dead by that point, he must be defeated per the requisite “hero saves the day” paradigm to which all of the DBZ movies ascribe. This results in a conclusion that retrocedes from a point of no return back to normalcy, and we find out that, not unlike his mistaken beneficiary, the Legendary Super Saiyan is not as legendary as we might have previously believed.
It makes sense, then, that most Broli fans tend to overlook this detail, so swept up in utter awe of his strength that they blow his abilities way out of proportion, claiming him stronger than most every other character in the franchise. Naturally, this comes off as annoying (moreso by the sheer volume of it) to others, whom cite his downfall at the hands of an “ordinary” Super Saiyan as proof that he isn’t all he’s cracked up to be in retaliation. However, does this notion really hold ground? If we recognize that event as the deus ex machina that it is, not so much. But, supposing for a moment its legitimacy, the conclusion is still premature when we acknowledge that he was subdued, not by the counteracting abilities inherent to any one fighter, but the rather unfortunate circumstance of getting hit with the combined life forces of five Cell Saga-level Z Fighters at once in a concentrated blow to the chest (even with the bulk of them worn down, that’s still a lot of energy). Under this lens, it becomes imminently plausible that his power may not be so underwhelmingly limited.
For you see, Broli’s greatest strength is also his greatest weakness: he’s not very strategic. In most situations, he need only brute force his way to victory. The end of Movie 8 saw him caught off-guard; outmaneuvered. However, it can be postulated that, had he not been captive, and allowed to indulge his urges more thoroughly earlier on, his capabilities easily could have climbed to a level beyond what was witnessed in the film; as I recall, a Saiyan’s battle power improves with every battle (do correct me if this notion is disreputable, though). Had he been prepared for the punch, in any capacity: physically, mentally, spiritually… Gokū and friends would have had no chance whatsoever of overcoming him.
Similarly, his subsequent patheticness in Movie 10 can be attributed to the fact that he was in hibernation until being awoken by Goten and Trunks. A rusty fighter does not preform at his best no matter whom he enters into combat with; his handy defeat (at the hands of Boo Saga-level hybrids, no less) owes itself to this second convenient plot device.
Movie 11 features a Broli clone, the actions of which, as a completely separate organism raised under entirely different circumstances that turned out genetically unstable apparently, should not reflect upon the competence of its donor in the slightest.
Clearly, Broli’s true potential as a fighter remains to be seen. Had he been given the chance to mature from his erratic, untrained, and infantile state of being, he very well could have been much more formidable. Given his preexisting status as a monstrous powerhouse, any of these alterations in behavior would have spelled even bigger trouble for his adversaries. Could he have beaten Vegetto to a pulp? Probably not from the get-go, but he was able to survive an exploding planet as a baby, which is something neither Gokū nor Vegeta are able to say for themselves. Had he taken a crack at the foes the two of them faced over the years, he likely could have at least matched the fusion’s strength, and certainly would not let cockiness get in the way of his insatiable bloodlust.
In conclusion, though the legend garners many a negative critique, Broli’s formidability is unquestionable; his power, indeed, maximum.
I wouldn’t say I love Broli, but he’s probably my second favorite movie villain (next to Janemba). He’s appealing to me because he’s the epitome of Saiyan barbarism; having been in isolation all his life, he's not inhibited by the same societal instruments to which the Z Fighters all ultimately dance. He fills the void left by Vegeta's (albeit shaky) moral conversion and Gokū’s diminished “Super star” status. The monster-out-of-the-cage scenario also really heightens the sense of doom he would already easily command, as evidenced by the brutal beatings he dishes out to four of the strongest fighters in that portion of the universe simultaneously, and with little visible effort.
The paradox of Broli’s power becomes apparent toward the end of his introductory movie when, although his opponents would realistically all surely be dead by that point, he must be defeated per the requisite “hero saves the day” paradigm to which all of the DBZ movies ascribe. This results in a conclusion that retrocedes from a point of no return back to normalcy, and we find out that, not unlike his mistaken beneficiary, the Legendary Super Saiyan is not as legendary as we might have previously believed.
It makes sense, then, that most Broli fans tend to overlook this detail, so swept up in utter awe of his strength that they blow his abilities way out of proportion, claiming him stronger than most every other character in the franchise. Naturally, this comes off as annoying (moreso by the sheer volume of it) to others, whom cite his downfall at the hands of an “ordinary” Super Saiyan as proof that he isn’t all he’s cracked up to be in retaliation. However, does this notion really hold ground? If we recognize that event as the deus ex machina that it is, not so much. But, supposing for a moment its legitimacy, the conclusion is still premature when we acknowledge that he was subdued, not by the counteracting abilities inherent to any one fighter, but the rather unfortunate circumstance of getting hit with the combined life forces of five Cell Saga-level Z Fighters at once in a concentrated blow to the chest (even with the bulk of them worn down, that’s still a lot of energy). Under this lens, it becomes imminently plausible that his power may not be so underwhelmingly limited.
For you see, Broli’s greatest strength is also his greatest weakness: he’s not very strategic. In most situations, he need only brute force his way to victory. The end of Movie 8 saw him caught off-guard; outmaneuvered. However, it can be postulated that, had he not been captive, and allowed to indulge his urges more thoroughly earlier on, his capabilities easily could have climbed to a level beyond what was witnessed in the film; as I recall, a Saiyan’s battle power improves with every battle (do correct me if this notion is disreputable, though). Had he been prepared for the punch, in any capacity: physically, mentally, spiritually… Gokū and friends would have had no chance whatsoever of overcoming him.
Similarly, his subsequent patheticness in Movie 10 can be attributed to the fact that he was in hibernation until being awoken by Goten and Trunks. A rusty fighter does not preform at his best no matter whom he enters into combat with; his handy defeat (at the hands of Boo Saga-level hybrids, no less) owes itself to this second convenient plot device.
Movie 11 features a Broli clone, the actions of which, as a completely separate organism raised under entirely different circumstances that turned out genetically unstable apparently, should not reflect upon the competence of its donor in the slightest.
Clearly, Broli’s true potential as a fighter remains to be seen. Had he been given the chance to mature from his erratic, untrained, and infantile state of being, he very well could have been much more formidable. Given his preexisting status as a monstrous powerhouse, any of these alterations in behavior would have spelled even bigger trouble for his adversaries. Could he have beaten Vegetto to a pulp? Probably not from the get-go, but he was able to survive an exploding planet as a baby, which is something neither Gokū nor Vegeta are able to say for themselves. Had he taken a crack at the foes the two of them faced over the years, he likely could have at least matched the fusion’s strength, and certainly would not let cockiness get in the way of his insatiable bloodlust.
In conclusion, though the legend garners many a negative critique, Broli’s formidability is unquestionable; his power, indeed, maximum.
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Perhaps the best post I've read explaining what Broli was and could have become, along with why he commands the following he does, concluded with the best sentence everAcid_Reign wrote:In conclusion, though the legend garners many a negative critique, Broli’s formidability is unquestionable; his power, indeed, maximum.
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Acid_Reign, that was an amazing post. The vocabulary, the insight, the witty observations. I'm sure every person who reads that gains a little more respect for Broly, and questions their own opinion of Broly. The thought, the time and effort it must have taken. I'm truly floored. We must do something to save that. I won't let that post die when this thread inevitably does.
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MajinVejitaXV wrote:Perhaps the best post I've read explaining what Broli was and could have become, along with why he commands the following he does, concluded with the best sentence ever
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Conan the SSJ wrote:Hear hear!
Thanks guys!Innagadadavida wrote:Acid_Reign, that was an amazing post. The vocabulary, the insight, the witty observations. I'm sure every person who reads that gains a little more respect for Broly, and questions their own opinion of Broly. The thought, the time and effort it must have taken. I'm truly floored. We must do something to save that. I won't let that post die when this thread inevitably does.
I appreciate it.Read the rest of the post. I realize the Hulk’s greatness; that’s why I drew the allusion in the first place. (Unless that was your own inference, in which case: quit hatin’.) Also, as most people understand “the Hulk” to mean the savage, green, default Hulk, that is the one I meant, and the only one that really can be compared to Broli, unless his ki suddenly turns gray one day and he finds himself with a PhD.Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:People should really stop insulting Hulk in discussions about Broly. The comic has far more to it than "Hulk smash!", especially when the Hulks other than the Green fella get involved.
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I read the whole thing. Broly's still a retarded powerhouse, his motivations and story paling in comparison to even the basest Hulk comic.Acid_Reign wrote:Read the rest of the post. I realize the Hulk’s greatness; that’s why I drew the allusion in the first place. (Unless that was your own inference, in which case: quit hatin’.) Also, as most people understand “the Hulk” to mean the savage, green, default Hulk, that is the one I meant, and the only one that really can be compared to Broli, unless his ki suddenly turns gray one day and he finds himself with a PhD.
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