The point of Kai was to refresh DBZ. Adding a musical score from the 80's/90's in 2009-2013 doesn't really refresh the show.Metalwario64 wrote:I thought the point of Kai was to improve the pacing, not make it a "new" show.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I haven't seen Kikuchi Kai yet (it's on its way!) but I really liked the fun Yamamoto soundtrack, and looking at what pretty much everyone says about Kikuchi Kai, I'll probably be disappointed. Even if I dislike the Kikuchi placement, I'd rather it carry on into the Buu saga than having a jarring sudden change.
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I feel the same. I think the whole Ginyu saga was created by FUNi for their box sets back in the late 90's and early 2000's. I always feel like Dragon Ball Z only had four sagas. The Garlic Jr. Saga and Anoyo ichi Budokai saga are just fillers, so I don't count them.penguintruth wrote:Bah. As far as I'm concerned, DBZ has four arcs: Saiyans, Freeza, Cell, Buu.
I don't like those "Namek"/"Freeza" divisions. Anything to do with the Namek material is Freeza-related. Freeza is the villain of that arc. It gets really annoying when people even use a "Ginyu Saga". No. It all has to do with Freeza.
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Well, while we're on the subject of FUNi-created saga terminology, how about Japan? Did the Japanese ever use any saga/arc/group-of-episodes terminology in any official capacity? In either the initial run or the home video release? I was under the impression that, since Japan ran the whole series at a one-episode-a-week pace, there were never any real breaks and, therefore, never any real "seasons."
A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."
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If you leave them as-is, then the Freeza arc is 71 episodes long. That's a bit much. I think it makes sense to try to separate that one a bit. It's not the best, though. However, the Android arc I think makes more sense, since Cell's not really a part of Dr Gero's Android line, is he? He has his own unique name. And he's doesn't appear for quite a while.penguintruth wrote:I don't like those "Namek"/"Freeza" divisions. Anything to do with the Namek material is Freeza-related. Freeza is the villain of that arc. It gets really annoying when people even use a "Ginyu Saga". No. It all has to do with Freeza.
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Yes they have.TheBlackPaladin wrote:Did the Japanese ever use any saga/arc/group-of-episodes terminology in any official capacity?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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More like degraded! Anyways, I can't believe a buu saga is coming. It'll take ages for an english one though.dbboxkaifan wrote:I'm hoping Namco Bandai includes it on DBZ 2013 game (whatever the yearly game is next year).Tanooki Kuribo wrote:Maybe FUNi will put out "Yo Son Goku and Friends Return" under the DragonBall Kai name.
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OK, probably not, but hey, it's totally possible right now.
"Dragon Ball Z Kai: Goku and Friends Return" just no. Plus the animation was updated unlike Kai.
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But the other Artificial Humans are fake-out villains. They do absolutely nothing except foreshadow Cell's appearance. They contribute little else to the movement of the story, at least compared to Cell. Cell is an active participant from his first appearance. He's the Big Fight Villain. The fights with the other Artificial Humans are just incidentals. Cell is an actual threat to the world. He's The Guy To Beat of that part of the story.
As for putting together the Saiyans with Freeza, I can see that, since they technically work for him, but I seperate them because they're the big focus villains of that area of the story. They actually pull the story. The Artificial Humans are sort of losers. There is no grand battle deciding the fight of the world with them. It's clear that the Saiyans hold much more weight in the story than 16, 17, and 18. They're minibosses at best.
Also, Vegeta and Nappa are working for themselves in the Saiyan arc, even if they do technically work for Freeza. They didn't come to Earth for Freeza's sake, but for their own.
As for putting together the Saiyans with Freeza, I can see that, since they technically work for him, but I seperate them because they're the big focus villains of that area of the story. They actually pull the story. The Artificial Humans are sort of losers. There is no grand battle deciding the fight of the world with them. It's clear that the Saiyans hold much more weight in the story than 16, 17, and 18. They're minibosses at best.
Also, Vegeta and Nappa are working for themselves in the Saiyan arc, even if they do technically work for Freeza. They didn't come to Earth for Freeza's sake, but for their own.
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Is anyone else excited for Joji Yanami as Babidi?
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Josh Martins shouldn't play Fat Boo again, unless he can change his voice to actually have a change in tone when needed. It'd be too painful for me to take any more of it in something new.
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Wasn't Toei constantly advertising it as a "true to manga Toriyama cut" or something though? Also, Kai doesn't just mean "refreshed", it could also be translated as "revised", which would be true due to the reediting.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The point of Kai was to refresh DBZ. Adding a musical score from the 80's/90's in 2009-2013 doesn't really refresh the show.Metalwario64 wrote:I thought the point of Kai was to improve the pacing, not make it a "new" show.
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The HD remastering of Kai is quite another disappointment. Seems like Toei Animation isn't very good at remastering stuff to HD, or simply they don't care much for DBZ in HD since people buy it regardless of how crappy it looks.
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- Kai 2.0 on Blu-ray
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[On the subject of ‘sagas’, while I subscribe to the same idea as penguintruth in that respect, let's see just how many ‘sagas’ I could come up with if I was trying to divide the show into as many as possible, while still making some (small) amount of sense:
29 sagas. Good enough for you? :P
- Radits Saga
- Training Saga
- Saibaiman Saga
- Nappa Saga
- Vegeta Saga
- Journey Saga
- Namek Saga
- Ginyū Saga
- Freeza Saga
- Super Saiyan Saga
- Garlic Jr. Saga
- Trunks Saga
- Training Saga #2
- Android Saga
- Cell Form #1 Saga
- Cell Form #2 Saga
- Perfect Cell Saga
- Cell Games Saga
- Anoyo'ichi Budōkai Saga
- Saiyaman Saga
- Tenka'ichi Budōkai Saga
- Bobbidi Saga
- Fat Boo Saga
- ‘Super’ Boo Saga (ugh, those names for Boo's forms)
- ‘Gotenks’ Boo Saga
- ‘Gohan’ Boo/Vegetto Saga
- Inside Boo Saga
- Kid Boo Saga
- Epilogue
29 sagas. Good enough for you? :P
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Hmm, adapting those to Kai, I think that... some sagas might be 1-episode long!Puto wrote:[On the subject of ‘sagas’, while I subscribe to the same idea as penguintruth in that respect, let's see just how many ‘sagas’ I could come up with if I was trying to divide the show into as many as possible, while still making some (small) amount of sense:
- Radits Saga
- Training Saga
- Saibaiman Saga
- Nappa Saga
- Vegeta Saga
- Journey Saga
- Namek Saga
- Ginyū Saga
- Freeza Saga
- Super Saiyan Saga
- Garlic Jr. Saga
- Trunks Saga
- Training Saga #2
- Android Saga
- Cell Form #1 Saga
- Cell Form #2 Saga
- Perfect Cell Saga
- Cell Games Saga
- Anoyo'ichi Budōkai Saga
- Saiyaman Saga
- Tenka'ichi Budōkai Saga
- Bobbidi Saga
- Fat Boo Saga
- ‘Super’ Boo Saga (ugh, those names for Boo's forms)
- ‘Gotenks’ Boo Saga
- ‘Gohan’ Boo/Vegetto Saga
- Inside Boo Saga
- Kid Boo Saga
- Epilogue
29 sagas. Good enough for you?
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But revised to be more appealing according to nowadays standards. And Kikuchi's old score is not nowadays' standards.Metalwario64 wrote:Wasn't Toei constantly advertising it as a "true to manga Toriyama cut" or something though? Also, Kai doesn't just mean "refreshed", it could also be translated as "revised", which would be true due to the reediting.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The point of Kai was to refresh DBZ. Adding a musical score from the 80's/90's in 2009-2013 doesn't really refresh the show.Metalwario64 wrote:I thought the point of Kai was to improve the pacing, not make it a "new" show.
We need a new score, even if it was by Kikuchi himself, as long as it's new production.
It's still a pleasure to watch, that's what matters.dbboxkaifan wrote:The HD remastering of Kai is quite another disappointment. Seems like Toei Animation isn't very good at remastering stuff to HD, or simply they don't care much for DBZ in HD since people buy it regardless of how crappy it looks.
Not like grainy and yellowish Dragon Box footage, and not like "erasing teeth and details" orange bricks.
Just what it takes to make it absolutely enjoyable, without bringing undesired effects.
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After Friеza's saga the picture quality on Blu-ray commenced to look pretty shitty compared to the previous PQ from Saiyan to Friеza, and the only reason I forced myself to watch it was due to having purchased Kai Parts 5-8.Cold Skin wrote:It's still a pleasure to watch, that's what matters.
Not like grainy and yellowish Dragon Box footage, and not like "erasing teeth and details" orange bricks.
Just what it takes to make it absolutely enjoyable, without bringing undesired effects.
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I tweeted Kyle Hebert and asked him to fight for the line "Over here, you retard", I say everyone who wants that line to be in English Kai do the same and maybe we will get it.
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I very highly doubt they're actually going to use "retard" in the dub. Maybe "moron" or "idiot" or something, but not "retard".
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What about dumbass or prick?CaBrPi wrote:I very highly doubt they're actually going to use "retard" in the dub. Maybe "moron" or "idiot" or something, but not "retard".
"Over here, prick"
Heh, this is certainly the one scene I'm looking forward on the English dub of Kai Buu.
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It doesn't matter to me. I totally understand why they wouldn't include it. I don't think there should be a fight to have that line in the dub. Is it really that important? I don't even recall this line until you brought it up.ultimateemail5000 wrote:I tweeted Kyle Hebert and asked him to fight for the line "Over here, you retard", I say everyone who wants that line to be in English Kai do the same and maybe we will get it.