How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion)?

[ABED]

I concur with KaiserNeko's thoughts on Ayres and Young's performances as Freeza.

As for Nadolny, I don't have as much problem with her Gohan as I do her Goku.

I liked McCoy as 18 and thought she brought a unique quality and sexiness to the voice. I can see why some think she's wooden, but to my ears, it simply sounds reserved. 18 isn't the most energetic character in the show.

Greg Ayres is excellent as Guldo and I believe he would've been perfect as Pilaf.

[matt0044]

KN's two cents on King Kai are similar to my own. It doesn't help that those King Kai scenes are repetitive as heck, just stating the obvious. *sighs sadly*

[Gyt Kaliba]

Greg Ayres is excellent as Guldo and I believe he would've been perfect as Pilaf.

As much as I have no problem with and even really enjoy Huber's Pilaf, I can't deny that a small part of me actually kind of hoped they'd re-cast it to Greg Ayres for Battle of Gods, just to hear what it would be like. There are times that Chiba's Pilaf sounds a LOT like some of Greg's roles have, so I have no doubt that Ayres would knock this one out of the park.

[Nikkolas]

The only praise Clinkenbeard's Eighteen deserves is "fantastically generic." There is nothing remarkable in the voice or the acting. It's just a voice, like you were listening to Colleen talk over coffee. She says nothing at all that makes her stand out. She certainly does not sound like the strongest female fighter in the entire series.

McCoy was bored-sounding, not wooden. She projected an air of being "above it all" to the world which went well with 17's immaturity. And when it was called for and 18 dropped her cool demeanor, she could totally pull it off. When she played Future 18 for example and screamed "I HATE YOU!!!" at Trunks after he makes sport of her. Or when Cell is about to absorb her.

She really was perfect in every way.

[KaiserNeko]

The only praise Clinkenbeard's Eighteen deserves is "fantastically generic." There is nothing remarkable in the voice or the acting. It's just a voice, like you were listening to Colleen talk over coffee. She says nothing at all that makes her stand out. She certainly does not sound like the strongest female fighter in the entire series.

McCoy was bored-sounding, not wooden. She projected an air of being "above it all" to the world which went well with 17's immaturity. And when it was called for and 18 dropped her cool demeanor, she could totally pull it off. When she played Future 18 for example and screamed "I HATE YOU!!!" at Trunks after he makes sport of her. Or when Cell is about to absorb her.

She really was perfect in every way.

You say bored, I say wooden. I will stand by my opinion that she was not well acted from start to finish; even her bigger, more emotional moments are marred by it.

[ABED]

The only praise Clinkenbeard's Eighteen deserves is "fantastically generic." There is nothing remarkable in the voice or the acting. It's just a voice, like you were listening to Colleen talk over coffee. She says nothing at all that makes her stand out. She certainly does not sound like the strongest female fighter in the entire series.<br abp="718"><br abp="719">McCoy was bored-sounding, not wooden. She projected an air of being "above it all" to the world which went well with 17's immaturity. And when it was called for and 18 dropped her cool demeanor, she could totally pull it off. When she played Future 18 for example and screamed "I HATE YOU!!!" at Trunks after he makes sport of her. Or when Cell is about to absorb her. <br abp="720"><br abp="721">She really was perfect in every way.

The original voice doesn't sound that distinctive either. What exactly does the "strongest female fighter" sound like? Colleen's acting is natural. She doesn't make it sound like acting, which is a good thing.

[Nikkolas]

You don't think Meredith McCoy's Eighteen sounds distinct? Even on this board she has almost always been one of the most praised VAs from the original Z dub. Her and Huber's 17 were beloved by many for a reason. You never forgot what they sounded like because their attitudes were so perfectly conveyed in every line they spoke.

The strongest female alive should sound...strong maybe? Coleen actually has a "strong female voice." She uses it for Erza Scarlet in Fairy Tail and Inner-Moka in Rosario + Vampire. For some reason she decided not to use it in Z because...I have no idea. Both of them are only teenage girls too.

[gohann]

I can only agree with Nikkolas, as bored-sounding as her 18 sounded, it still had character.

[ABED]

The strongest female alive should sound...strong maybe? Coleen actually has a "strong female voice."

That's so vague. The original voice doesn't sound like a "strong female voice" she just has a natural delivery that fits the character. 18 doesn't try to sound strong.

[Nikkolas]

It has nothing to do with 18 actively trying to sound strong, it's the mere fact that she IS strong. She should sound it. She should sound like someone who could kick your ass. There was no point in Colleen's performance where she made 18 sound threatening, even the homicidal Future 18.

[ABED]

What does strong sound like? Again, you're very vague. Colleen sounds natural. 18 is very matter of fact, she doesn't have to sound threatening. McCoy didn't sound threatening. She sounded detached.

[Nikkolas]

If you don't hear it then I don't know what to tell you. It's not something that can be explained. It be like me trying to explain the color blue to a blind person. McCoy made 18 sound tough, that's the only way I can explain it. Searching this forum for topics that interest me is a fun pasttime considering how long this board has been around. One post I read once on here described McCoy's Eighteen as sound like a black woman who would kick your ass which I've always remembered because it was interesting.

The best way I can try to get my meaning across it seems would be comparing her to another tough voice. I'd say something like Sabat's Piccolo, especially in Kai. Just by listening to them you know this is a person you do NOT want to mess with.

If you haven't seen Fairy Tail, this is the voice I wish Ms. Clinkenbeard had used for 18. I still probably would have preferred Ms. McCoy but I wouldn't have any reason to actually complain about Clinkenbeard's performance.

[gohann]

Erza Scarlet seems like a decent fit, but I've always imagined her Riza Hawkeye voice -- I've always said she was misdirected as opposed to miscast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyuX_0d1-d4

[ABED]

If you don't hear it then I don't know what to tell you. It's not something that can be explained. It be like me trying to explain the color blue to a blind person. McCoy made 18 sound tough, that's the only way I can explain it. Searching this forum for topics that interest me is a fun pasttime considering how long this board has been around. One post I read once on here described McCoy's Eighteen as sound like a black woman who would kick your ass which I've always remembered because it was interesting.

The best way I can try to get my meaning across it seems would be comparing her to another tough voice. I'd say something like Sabat's Piccolo, especially in Kai. Just by listening to them you know this is a person you do NOT want to mess with.

If you haven't seen Fairy Tail, this is the voice I wish Ms. Clinkenbeard had used for 18. I still probably would have preferred Ms. McCoy but I wouldn't have any reason to actually complain about Clinkenbeard's performance.

Much of Sabat's effect comes from him having a very deep masculine voice and playing a character who has no reservations about killing someone who gets on his bad side. 18 from this timeline isn't actually a killer, she's more detached than anything, almost bored.

The link is in no way 18. If she had used that voice, not only would it have sounded older, the characterization would've been COMPLETELY wrong. 18 isn't a soldier or an Amazon.

[Nikkolas]

Erza is younger than Eighteen, I'm pretty sure...

And how is Eighteen not an Amazon? She's a ridiculously beautiful and powerful woman. Pretty sure that's all you need to be an Amazon these days.

Erza Scarlet seems like a decent fit, but I've always imagined her Riza Hawkeye voice -- I've always said she was misdirected as opposed to miscast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyuX_0d1-d4

I agree with this.

[KaiserNeko]

Erza is younger than Eighteen, I'm pretty sure...

And how is Eighteen not an Amazon? She's a ridiculously beautiful and powerful woman. Pretty sure that's all you need to be an Amazon these days.

Erza Scarlet seems like a decent fit, but I've always imagined her Riza Hawkeye voice -- I've always said she was misdirected as opposed to miscast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyuX_0d1-d4

I agree with this.

"Amazon" as in big, tough, buff, etc. Yes, she's beautiful. Yes, she's powerful. That doesn't mean she needs a ton of bass to her voice, a bossy demeanor, etc.

It's actually why I find Colleen's interpretation to be so endearing and closer to the original character, who was youthful and casual.

[ABED]

I was thinking more along the lines of she's not a member of a warrior race, barking out orders. She's also not Wonder Woman. I agree with KaiserNeko, she's very casual. Part of what's interesting about 17 and 18 is that their demeanor hides their extraordinary power. If she spoke with a stereotypically powerful voice, it not only would clash with that fact, I think it would clash with the art. The visuals don't show her that way. She's much more laid back.

[Attitudefan]

I agree with most of Kaizer's sentiments too. I think out of all the English cast, to this day, who sounded like a legitimate boy, was Saffron Henderson. I mean, she gave Gohan a polite shyness, but a bit of gruff when it came down to business. She sounded absolutely perfect for Gohan as the English counterpart. Especially that scream (see Garlic Jr getting bumped into the Dead Zone). Seriously, it sounds like a kid screaming. It has an immature quality to it, in regular speech but in screaming as well. Even when she did the crying for Gohan, it sounded like a child crying. a young 6 year old crying. She's the only one to nail Gohan in English, and I hope she returns for Kai in the Ocean dub. The problem with Clinkenbeard is that she sounds too old for Gohan, and a bit too girly. A good voice for a 12 year old tomboy girl. Not for Gohan.

I cringed at King Kai's voice in BoG. People in my theatre started laughing the moment he began to talk, not because he was saying anything funny, but because the voice sounded ridiculous. Someone sitting near me even mentioned that he sounded weird.

[matt0044]

The problem with Clinkenbeard is that she sounds too old for Gohan, and a bit too girly. A good voice for a 12 year old tomboy girl. Not for Gohan.

You mean Son Gohan who, prior to the Buu Saga, hadn't even hit puberty and was eleven at best? Son Gohan who started out in the Z era as a four year old and would likely not sound masculine?

[Attitudefan]

The problem with Clinkenbeard is that she sounds too old for Gohan, and a bit too girly. A good voice for a 12 year old tomboy girl. Not for Gohan.

You mean Son Gohan who, prior to the Buu Saga, hadn't even hit puberty and was eleven at best? Son Gohan who started out in the Z era as a four year old and would likely not sound masculine?

Yeah, except, Clinckenbeard did sound too old for a young boy. Her voice as Gohan would suit a 16 year old girl better than a 6 year old boy. Henderson nailed that pre-pubescent voice.