Battle Of Gods Base Goku Is Weaker Than Frieza?

[Rocketman]

There is no frame of reference to power once you go past base Goku on Namek, except Freeza and Super Saiyan.

Piccolo could be 40 million, 200 million, or 6 million and the only thing you can compare him to are the Super Saiyans.

[KentalSSJ6]

There is no frame of reference to power once you go past base Goku on Namek, except Freeza and Super Saiyan.

Piccolo could be 40 million, 200 million, or 6 million and the only thing you can compare him to are the Super Saiyans.

Theres the first Cooler movie, which implies that SSJ Goku is at 500 million and thats hes become roughly 3.5 times stronger than he was on Namek.

That is of course if you take the V-Jump scan of Cooler's power level seriously.

[TheMightyOzaru]

While I'm not awfully opposed to Piccolo being weaker than the base Saiyans at minimum, I will say that is relatively unlikely. We know Piccolo is powerful enough to stomp C-20 after he's absorbed the energy from Vegeta's attack. We also know that C-20 claims he's a great deal stronger than C-19, whom was tanking attacks from a Ssj Goku. Piccolo even claims Goku was fighting at close to full power. Now of course that doesn't mean Goku's hitting him at full force. Him being tired would most likely make him punch things with minimal force. He should, however, still be fighting with strength much higher than that of his base form. This leads me to believe Piccolo Is pretty strong. Easily in the tens of millions.

[Vice]

He also called Super Saiyan Goku weak at the time.

There is no way in hell he is under the base Saiyans.

[TheMightyOzaru]

He also called Super Saiyan Goku weak at the time.

There is no way in hell he is under the base Saiyans.

I don't recall that being stated.

[Vice]

I don't recall that being stated.

It was during the fight when he was talking to Gohan. He said Goku was weak and should have been much stronger than what he was.

[hleV]

He said SS Goku should be more "stupendous" than that, has nothing to do with Piccolo's own power.

[Vice]

I'm fairly certain that my copy specifically uses the word weak as in "Look at how weak he is", I'll have to check later when I get home.

[hleV]

For accurate strength-related translations, look up Strength Checker.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I'll just post the quotes here:

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P8.4-5, P9.
Piccolo: “Have you noticed too, Gohan?...”
Gohan: “Y-yes…”
Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...”
Tenshinhan: “Th-that miserable condition…!? What are you talking about? Goku’s overwhelmingly pushing him back…!”
Piccolo: “It’s not that. As a Super Saiyan, Goku’s power should be more stupendous than this…”
Note: Several people thought this quote was contradictory, due to how Piccolo says Goku is using almost his full power but should have much better power than that. To me though it seems pretty straightforward: Goku is using almost all the power he has in his current sick condition, but Piccolo realizes Goku's full power should be much more than that.

[Kaboom]

Basically everyone's in awe of how hella strong Goku is, and Piccolo's not necessarily disagreeing with them, but still says he should be way more hella strong than he is right now.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The way I see it is Goku's fighting at full power but he's not giving it his all since he's tired.

[Vice]

Yup, just checked and he does specifically uses the word weak in my copy of the viz translation.

Piccolo: Son Goku is rushing the battle for some reason... He's already giving it all he's got... but look at how weak he is...

Tien: Weak... ? Did you say weak... ?! What are you talking about?! Goku's overwhelming the android...!

Piccolo: This is nothing. His power as a Super Saiyan should be far more staggering than this.