How strong is Base Vegetto?

[hleV]

Another guide says that Gotenks is dozens of times stronger than Goten or Trunks, and has a "Goten + Trunks = Gotenks". Does that mean that Fusion works like "A + B = C"?

It comes from an anime-based guidebook. Who gives a shit?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Since there is a Goku x Vegeta sign in the SEG, it's perfectly reasonable for people to assume it's A x B. I don't abide by it, but it's certainly not wrong.

So is Gotenks Goten + Trunks?

The guides never says that. It says Gotenks is many times stronger than Goten or Trunks.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Where are the kanji? Is it in the "Goku X Vegeta" thing?

A little to the left of SSJ3 Goku. and slightly above Rou Kaioshin

That's where it says that it works more like a multiplication rather than addition though, not where "Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto" is.

It is stated that 1 kiri is equal to 50.000 BP units.

What? Where?

I think V-Jump. There was a "DB Professor" that was answering fan questions, and a fan asked how many BP units equal to kiri units. The Professor said that since SS Goku's power was 150.000.000 BP units & 3.000 kiri units, it means that 1 kiri unit = 50.000 BP units.

Of course, SS Goku's BP was 150.000.000 in Freeza arc, and he has grown much stronger over the years. So, you can take this as a fact if you assume that Goku was suppressed to the same level he was against Freeza.

Another guide says that Gotenks is dozens of times stronger than Goten or Trunks, and has a "Goten + Trunks = Gotenks". Does that mean that Fusion works like "A + B = C"?

It comes from an anime-based guidebook. Who gives a shit?

It doesn't matter, because that's not my point. Both guides say similar things, and then have similar equitations thrown, with the Gotenks one being factually wrong if we assume it's talking about BP. And the equitations don't even say anything about BPs.

Since there is a Goku x Vegeta sign in the SEG, it's perfectly reasonable for people to assume it's A x B. I don't abide by it, but it's certainly not wrong.

So is Gotenks Goten + Trunks?

The guides never says that. It says Gotenks is many times stronger than Goten or Trunks.

But it also says that Goten + Trunks = Gotenks. Like SEG says Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto.

[RandomGuy96]

I think V-Jump. There was a "DB Professor" that was answering fan questions, and a fan asked how many BP units equal to kiri units. The Professor said that since SS Goku's power was 150.000.000 BP units & 3.000 kiri units, it means that 1 kiri unit = 50.000 BP units.

Well, do you have a scan or any proof of its existence? It sounds like something important to have on hand.

Then again, considering the logic he used, I think we can safely conclude that this doesn't mean anything, and that he didn't have suppression in mind.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Where are the kanji? Is it in the "Goku X Vegeta" thing?

A little to the left of SSJ3 Goku. and slightly above Rou Kaioshin

That's where it says that it works more like a multiplication rather than addition though, not where "Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto" is.

No it doesn't. It has these Kanjis, which mean Battle Power: 戦闘力.

But it also says that Goten + Trunks = Gotenks. Like SEG says Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto.

But unlike what the guide books say about Gotenks being many times stronger than Goten or Trunks, the SEG is not specific about Vegetto. It's perfectly reasonable to assume it's A x B based on that. I, again, don't abide by that, but people can if they want.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think V-Jump. There was a "DB Professor" that was answering fan questions, and a fan asked how many BP units equal to kiri units. The Professor said that since SS Goku's power was 150.000.000 BP units & 3.000 kiri units, it means that 1 kiri unit = 50.000 BP units.

Well, do you have a scan or any proof of its existence? It sounds like something important to have on hand.

Then again, considering the logic he used, I think we can safely conclude that this doesn't mean anything, and that he didn't have suppression in mind.

The second question is the one about how much a kiri would be in terms of battle power. The answer is that Super Saiyan Goku's battle power is around 150 million. Divide that by 3,000 (his kiri measurement), and you get 1 kiri equaling 50,000 battle power.

Well, given Goku's battle power of 150 million as a Super Saiyan in the Freeza arc, divided by his 3000 kiri rating in the Buu arc. That seems pretty tenuous at best, given the implicit assumption that he hasn't improved at all since then.

Both Herms & Julian translated it.

No it doesn't. It has these Kanjis, which mean Battle Power: 戦闘力.

Are they in the equitation?

[TheMightyOzaru]

It just says the result is like multiplying the 2 battle powers together.

The second question is the one about how much a kiri would be in terms of battle power. The answer is that Super Saiyan Goku's battle power is around 150 million. Divide that by 3,000 (his kiri measurement), and you get 1 kiri equaling 50,000 battle power.

Yeah this is unreliable since the guy is under the impression that Goku's battle power is around 150,000,000.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It just says the result is like multiplying the 2 battle powers together.

I would like to know the exact statement.

Herms only said that it says that the power-up from merging isn’t a sum of the two’s battle powers, but rather as tremendous as multiplication.

[TheMightyOzaru]

It just says the result is like multiplying the 2 battle powers together.

I would like to know the exact statement.

Contact Herms then.

Herms only said that it says that the power-up from merging isn’t a sum of the two’s battle powers, but rather as tremendous as multiplication.

Yeah, battle powers are still involved. It's like multiplying the 2 battle powers.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yeah, battle powers are still involved. It's like multiplying the 2 battle powers.

Saying something about battle powers & saying that it's like multiplying the 2 battle powers is very different.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Yeah, battle powers are still involved. It's like multiplying the 2 battle powers.

Saying something about battle powers & saying that it's like multiplying the 2 battle powers is very different.

It's not. Herms translation merely means it's not like adding the battle powers, it's more like multiplying the 2 battle powers.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yeah, battle powers are still involved. It's like multiplying the 2 battle powers.

Saying something about battle powers & saying that it's like multiplying the 2 battle powers is very different.

It's not. Herms translation merely means it's not like adding the battle powers, it's more like multiplying the 2 battle powers.

No, it says that the Potara works as a multiplication. Oozaru (x10), Super Saiyan (x50), Kamehameha (x2+), Kaio-ken (x2/20), Fusion (dozens of times), etc work as multiplication as well.

[goku the krump dancer]

No, it says that the Potara works as a multiplication.

"Works like multiplication", "Is more like multiplication" all that just seems like the statement is implying one character times another character. Why cant we just take that as it is? Why does every little thing have to be bent, twisted and butt fucked in order to get a proper understanding of it? It just makes things more complicated.

The whole purpose of fusion is for two characters to combine and become one warrior who's stronger than both of 'em.

[TheGmGoken]

No, it says that the Potara works as a multiplication.

"Works like multiplication", "Is more like multiplication" all that just seems like the statement is implying one character times another character. Why cant we just take that as it is? Why does every little thing have to be bent, twisted and butt fucked in order to get a proper understanding of it? It just makes things more complicated.

I honestly just want to know what's so bad with A x B? Boo did eat a lot of powerful warriors that was well above Goku and Vegeta. They don't have the lower their power level. What's the issue?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No, it says that the Potara works as a multiplication.

"Works like multiplication", "Is more like multiplication" all that just seems like the statement is implying one character times another character. Why cant we just take that as it is? Why does every little thing have to be bent, twisted and butt fucked in order to get a proper understanding of it? It just makes things more complicated.

Because it doesn't sound like there is any implication about this at all. It just says that the Potara multiply the users' battle power, which is what Super Saiyan forms, Kaio-ken, Kamehameha, etc do as well.

I honestly just want to know what's so bad with A x B? Boo did eat a lot of powerful warriors that was well above Goku and Vegeta. They don't have the lower their power level. What's the issue?

It makes zero sense, that's the issue. And it's not even a fact that Potara works as AxB.

[TheGmGoken]

I honestly just want to know what's so bad with A x B? Boo did eat a lot of powerful warriors that was well above Goku and Vegeta. They don't have the lower their power level. What's the issue?

It makes zero sense, that's the issue. And it's not even a fact that Potara works as AxB.

Please explain that it makes zero sense. Don't just say it. Explain yourself please.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I honestly just want to know what's so bad with A x B? Boo did eat a lot of powerful warriors that was well above Goku and Vegeta. They don't have the lower their power level. What's the issue?

It makes zero sense, that's the issue. And it's not even a fact that Potara works as AxB.

Please explain that it makes zero sense. Don't just say it. Explain yourself please.

Read my previous posts. I'm done explaining it over and over again.

[TheGmGoken]

Read my previous posts. I'm done explaining it over and over again.

In all honesty. I only see you saying

"It makes no sense"
"It doesn't fit"
"It can't be like that"
"Ki is not a number"
"Transformations are multiplers"
"1 Kiri = 50,000 BP"

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The Potara formula can't be A x B = C, because ki isn't a number, and you can't multiply with something that isn't a number with something that isn't a number. There is not 1 ki, 2 ki, or 1.000 ki. There is a ki someone has, and it has a specific size. You can't multiply one's ki with another's, just like you can't multiply 2 doors, 2 cats, 2 hands, or 2 people together. That's the 1st reason it doesn't make any sense.

But even if it did make sense, somehow, it doesn't make sense because it will mean that the Potara are related with the Battle Power units, and they are not. The Potara are magical earrings made by the gods millions of years ago, while the BPs is a made-up way to measure one's size of ki created by random aliens. The AxB formula can't work with any other way to measure ki (like kiri), and only works with battle powers exclusively. Which is the 2nd reason it doesn't make any sense.

Finally, there is absolutely no statement in SEG that says "Goku's BP x Vegeta's BP = Vegetto's BP". There is a "Goku x Vegeta = Vegetto", which could be taken as the former, if it made sense. Except if you don't care about logic, or want to believe that Vegetto's power happened to be Goku's x Vegeta's.

[goku the krump dancer]

You're thinking to deeply into it. We all know Toriyama isn't the type of author to plan that far ahead.

The whole purpose of fusion is for two characters to combine and become one warrior who's stronger than both of 'em. So how don't battle powers apply? The numbers are a representation of something so its easier to understand both in and out of universe and thats for just about ANYTHING.

When Kaioshin and Kibito fuse he's confident that he'd be able to take on Boo because he's stronger than he was before aka his battle power was higher.

The whole kiri thing you were going on about is debunked now because it was made apparent that the guy being interviewed had no idea what he was talking about. So as it stands, NONE of us know how Kiri and Battle powers equate to one another.Battle powers were relevant/irrelevant for an arc and half (Beginning of Z up to halfway through the Freeza arc). Kiri was relevant for one chapter and never brought up again. I think its pretty clear that whomever came up with the statements in the guide books had battle powers in mind.