What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

[Dyno]

Are they a part of the original run of the manga?

Following word-by-word what he said, yes. They all came out when the manga was still running.

[Kamiccolo9]

Are they a part of the original run of the manga?

Following word-by-word what he said, yes. They all came out when the manga was still running.

That's not at all what he said.

Are they part of the original run of the manga?

[Mewzard]

That's not at all what he said.

Are they part of the original run of the manga?

That doesn't matter.

Was Fist of the Blue Sky part of the original 1983-1988 run of the Fist of the North Star manga? No, it was a prequel that ran from 2001-2010 in another company besides Shueisha, yet it's canon (done by the same creators after they took their franchise to another company).

Was Saint Seiya: Next Dimension part of the original 1986-1991 run of the Saint Seiya manga? No, it was a prequel/sequel that has been ongoing since 2006 in another company besides Shueisha, yet it's canon. Masami Kurumada tried doing what Toriyama did with Battle of Gods and let his continuation go anime only, but unlike Toriyama, Kurumada's ideas were messed with, so he barred them from making another sequel, and started his own manga that went against said movie.

Were the 48-page story Even Gods Must Die and DC Graphic Novel #4: The Hunger Dogs a part of the original 1970-1973 run of the Fourth World story in Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen, The Forever People, The New Gods, and Mister Miracle? No, they came out in 1984-1985, but Jack Kirby sure as Hell intended them to wrap up the Fourth World story he was forced to end many years ago due to a financially troubled (at the time) DC Comics.

Was the Slave Labor Graphics comic of Gargoyles a part of the original 1994-1997 run of Gargoyles on TV? No, but the 2006-2009 comic book is done by the series creator, and is far more canon than the terrible Goliath Chronicles that Season 3 gave us (Greg Weisman even replaces season three by redoing episode one of Season Three and then doing a far more appropriate to the franchise story)

Don't even get me started on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles continuity, or heads might explode, lol.

Saying that only one run at one time can be canon is so limited, especially when you have to go against a creator's wishes to do so. Who are we to say their planned sequels/continuations don't count? Especially if they were cancelled and have a chance to come back.

[Dyno]

Mewzard is always understanding me, I wonder if there are more like him around here.
Thank you yet again, pal. You truly are the best among the best.

[Kamiccolo9]

It doesn't particularly matter, no.

Neither Toriyama, Toei, or Shueisha have released any kind of declaration of canonicity, so fans are free to consider whatever they want. This isn't Star Wars, which had officially, varying degrees of canon, or DC which changes it's official canon every 15 years or so.

[Kakarot9001]

It doesn't particularly matter, no.

Neither Toriyama, Toei, or Shueisha have released any kind of declaration of canonicity, so fans are free to consider whatever they want. This isn't Star Wars, which had officially, varying degrees of canon, or DC which changes it's official canon every 15 years or so.

Is Force Unleashed II canon? Please say that don't!

[Majin Vegeta Fan]

Even Bio-Broly is better than BoG.... Yeah, i went THAT far.

Did you really need to go that far?

Well at least bio-broly kept me entertained... i can't say the same about BoG.

The 1998 Godzilla movie is better thab bog.

Sometimes i think i'm the only person who actually liked Godzilla's 1998 design

[Dyno]

"An episode from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time." - Toei Animation

"I take the movies as “stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic”. I’m entirely just an audience member for them." - Akira Toriyama

"Dragon Ball GT is a grand side-story of the original Dragon Ball" - Akira Toriyama

[As with the last movie], I thought up the new story for the next Dragon Ball theatrical film as though it were a continuation of the manga when it was in serialization. - Akira Toriyama

Oh I think there is indeed an official statement of what is and what is not canon, but given in a way a fan could also consider whatever he likes.
And answering your question now that finally someone understood me; no. All the movies, except for Movie 14 and Movie 15, are not considered, fillers, side-stories, non-canon, not happened in the manga... Pick the one you like the most.

[Kamiccolo9]

It doesn't particularly matter, no.

Neither Toriyama, Toei, or Shueisha have released any kind of declaration of canonicity, so fans are free to consider whatever they want. This isn't Star Wars, which had officially, varying degrees of canon, or DC which changes it's official canon every 15 years or so.

Is Force Unleashed II canon? Please say that don't!

Off-topic, but, I'm not particularly sure.

Prior to the announcement of the new movies it was, but I'm not sure about the change to the portions of the EU that occur before the end of ROTJ at this point

"An episode from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time." - Toei Animation

"I take the movies as “stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic”. I’m entirely just an audience member for them." - Akira Toriyama

"Dragon Ball GT is a grand side-story of the original Dragon Ball" - Akira Toriyama

[As with the last movie], I thought up the new story for the next Dragon Ball theatrical film as though it were a continuation of the manga when it was in serialization. - Akira Toriyama

Oh I think there is indeed an official statement of what is and what is not canon, but given in a way a fan could also consider whatever he likes.
And answering your question now that finally someone understood me; no. All the movies, except for Movie 14 and Movie 15, are not considered, fillers, side-stories, non-canon, not happened in the manga... Pick the one you like the most.

Show me where it says "official" or "canon" anywhere in there.

[Dyno]

This... This is just like asking your mom to put food into your mouth... Sorry for my rudeness, but...

[MarcFBR]

This... This is just like asking your mom to put food into your mouth... Sorry for my rudeness, but...

Didn't someone recently get banned, or threatened with banning, for screaming about demanding where it said something was canon officially?

[Kamiccolo9]

This... This is just like asking your mom to put food into your mouth... Sorry for my rudeness, but...

Didn't someone recently get banned, or threatened with banning, for screaming about demanding where it said something was canon officially?

Was that meant to be directed at me? Because if so, I'm not demanding anything. If something is so clearly obvious, then it should be easy to find something backing it up.

If not, my apologies. I must have misread.

[Insertclevername]

I usually don't have much to complain about with modern DBZ since none of it's really bothered me or I just don't care. However, Dragon Ball Minus was an eye rolling and pointless chapter that tells an inferior version of a story we already known for over 20 years. Jaco, Super Saiyan God and Tarble are all fine in my book.

[The Monkey King]

SSJG design
DB Minus
Toriyama's new art style in general.

[Luso Saiyan]

To be part of the original run of the manga.

That's your fictional requirement.

[ABED]

Neither Toriyama, Toei, or Shueisha have released any kind of declaration of canonicity, so fans are free to consider whatever they want. This isn't Star Wars, which had officially, varying degrees of canon, or DC which changes it's official canon every 15 years or so.

What Toriyama created is canon. It's the official story.

[bleed0range]

The only thing I really didn't like was the saiyan ritual that is used to grant Goku SSJ God power. Or the fact that a fetus is used in the ritual. It's all kind of a silly way for him to get the power. Everything else I'm fine with and found intriguing. There's a few things like Gohan being able to go SSJ that I wish had been explained, but it doesn't bother me per se.

Oh wait just remembered Episode of Bardock. That was dumb and pointless.

[Kamiccolo9]

Neither Toriyama, Toei, or Shueisha have released any kind of declaration of canonicity, so fans are free to consider whatever they want. This isn't Star Wars, which had officially, varying degrees of canon, or DC which changes it's official canon every 15 years or so.

What Toriyama created is canon. It's the official story.

That's not how canonicity works.

Since I refuse to get into another asinine canon debate, and since Mike has already explained it far more eloquently than I care to put the effort into doing, I'll just post this.
http://www.VegettoEX.com/blog/2011/12/2 ... al-debate/

And damn Sherlock Holmes fans for coming up with the word outside of a religious context as a joke in the first place.

[fadeddreams5]

By Toriyama saying that BoG follows the manga, and him, you know, being the one who created it, it is canon to that universe (i.e. not the anime, GT, or the movies). There should be no arguments there.

FoF takes place immediately after that, and is once again created by Toriyama. So that is canon too.

Tarble is mentioned in BoG, so, at the very least, the character now exists within the universe of the original manga.

Dragon Ball Minus is a toss-up.

[Rocketman]

To be part of the original run of the manga.

That's your fictional requirement.

It's all fiction.