So what exactly is this SSGSS?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I'm tired of this... I've said what I've had to say, and I still stick to it because this is what I honestly get from all the evidence. I don't agree with your point of view, so let's just agree that we disagree and move on.

[Marlowe89]

I'll agree to disagree then. The literal meaning of SSGSS's description in the Volume F script is pretty clear-cut ("Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God" can only really be interpreted one way), but fair enough.

For what it's worth, I do find SSGSS to be a superior form to SSG since it doesn't appear to have a time limit. To me, it's kind of similar to how FPSS is to SS.

[Bullza]

Having now seen the film I'd personally place them as this.

Whis - 15
Beerus - 10
Golden Frieza - 8
SSJSS Goku - 7.5
SSJSS Vegeta - 7.5
Goku - 5
Vegeta - 5
Frieza - 4

Maybe something like that, its tricky because its hard to say how much of a difference there is between base and god form.

[Truhan]

The simplest explanation would be that SSJG disables any regular transformation (SSJ, SSJ2, etc.), so Goku absorbed his God power and turned base, which enabled him to transform into SSJ (in Battle of the Gods). We also know that he released his God Ki to stop Beerus attack, so that should make:
- Goku with God power absorbed turned SSJ > SSJG Goku > Goku with God Power absorbed.

In Ressurrection of F, what Goku does is take his SSJG transformation to the next level and keep it inside, in order to release it as SSJG SSJ. That should make:
- SSJG SSJ Goku > any other state or transformation.

I'll remind you that this is my own notion of it.

[Lord Beerus]

Having now seen the film I'd personally place them as this.

Whis - 15
Beerus - 10
Golden Freeza - 8
SSJSS Goku - 7.5
SSJSS Vegeta - 7.5
Goku - 5
Vegeta - 5
Freeza - 4

Maybe something like that, its tricky because its hard to say how much of a difference there is between base and god form.

Where and when did you watch the film?

[Bullza]

I saw it Monday morning in Shibuya at the theatre.

[SSJGFrieza]

Just how much stronger was Freeza?

Seems like if he trained his Golden Form for a month he could beaten both Goku and Vegeta.

[Bullza]

He certainly had the upper hand during the first skirmish. Then it sort of cut away for a bit when Beerus and Whis showed up then when it went back to the second skirmish between the two was when it ended with Frieza punching Goku in the face and him being mostly unharmed.

So either his power just drained really quickly or Goku wasn't really giving it his all at the start. Vegeta did look taken a back though when he first turned Golden.

If his stamina didn't decrease he probably could have won.

[Bullza]

Having watched the movie again I wonder if the difference between base and SSGSS Goku is probably much larger.

I'd agree with others that SSGSS Goku and Vegeta could be an 8 but perhaps their base versions aren't nearly as high.

You could possibly work it out based on Frieza in his first form being stronger than anyone else and then him in his final form being X times stronger.

Would we say that Frieza in his first form is comparable to SSJ2 or SSJ3 levels?

[Hugo Boss]

Would we say that Freeza in his first form is comparable to SSJ2 or SSJ3 levels?

I would say he is much stronger than Cell, but not quite as strong as SS3 Goku. What impression did he caused to you when he attacked Gohan?

[Bullza]

Well he only took out base Gohan though he did it so effortlessly. According to what someone said Piccolo said Frieza was stronger than anyone there.

Does that include Gohan as a Super Saiyan or a Super Saiyan 2?

Gohan looked like a SSJ and mentioned the SSJ and I know he said he hasn't been training but surely he's still capable of SSJ2. The movie was only set a year after BoG he can't have weakened that much.

I guess Frieza's strength depends on which form of Gohan was included in Piccolos comment.

[Super Vegetto]

Well he only took out base Gohan though he did it so effortlessly. According to what someone said Piccolo said Freeza was stronger than anyone there.

Does that include Gohan as a Super Saiyan or a Super Saiyan 2?

Gohan looked like a SSJ and mentioned the SSJ and I know he said he hasn't been training but surely he's still capable of SSJ2. The movie was only set a year after BoG he can't have weakened that much.

I guess Freeza's strength depends on which form of Gohan was included in Piccolos comment.

So, this manga scan didn't happen in movie ?

[Bullza]

Well I didn't understand what was being said because I don't speak Japanese but if there was a scene like that then Gohan wasn't a Super Saiyan in it.

He transformed to one shot Shishami then transformed back.

On an unrelated note this unfortunately never happened either.



Additionally the scene where Gohan and Piccolo sense Frieza on Kamis lookout and Dense and Mr Popo are there didn't happen. Neither did the scene with Tien and Chiaotzu at the farm.

Makes me wonder if its from an extended edition perhaps.

[Hugo Boss]

Well he only took out base Gohan though he did it so effortlessly. According to what someone said Piccolo said Freeza was stronger than anyone there.

Does that include Gohan as a Super Saiyan or a Super Saiyan 2?

Gohan looked like a SSJ and mentioned the SSJ and I know he said he hasn't been training but surely he's still capable of SSJ2. The movie was only set a year after BoG he can't have weakened that much.

I guess Freeza's strength depends on which form of Gohan was included in Piccolos comment.

Well, if Gohan were able to use more than Super Saiyan I think he would have used. Then, it's more likely that First Form Freeza is stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan, though I can't say by how much.

[Bullza]

He could very well have been a Super Saiyan 2, most times they portray the form it doesn't look any different from the regular Super Saiyan.

For example when Vegeta attacked Beerus was he a Super Saiyan 1 or 2?

Another thing though, when Frieza turned into his fourth form what percentage of that form was he at? He wasn't bulky enough to be at 100% so perhaps 70%?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Another thing though, when Freeza turned into his fourth form what percentage of that form was he at? He wasn't bulky enough to be at 100% so perhaps 70%?

That would be just another assumption though. Freeza had been training. For all we know, he can access all of his true form's power without bulking up now.

[Hugo Boss]

He could very well have been a Super Saiyan 2, most times they portray the form it doesn't look any different from the regular Super Saiyan.

For example when Vegeta attacked Beerus was he a Super Saiyan 1 or 2?

Another thing though, when Freeza turned into his fourth form what percentage of that form was he at? He wasn't bulky enough to be at 100% so perhaps 70%?

For the two first cases, I would say they were respectively SS with the power of SS2 or SS with power surpassing that of SS3. Freeza 100% though is his golden form.

[Bullza]

Golden Frieza would be more like Frieza at like 1000% or something wouldn't he?

I suppose fourth form Frieza could have been fighting Goku at 100% except now he doesn't bulk up.

[Lord Frieza]

Golden Freeza would be more like Freeza at like 1000% or something wouldn't he?

I suppose fourth form Freeza could have been fighting Goku at 100% except now he doesn't bulk up.

The reason Freeza used to bulk up at 100% was because he passed his bodies natural limits, the muscle increase was a side effect of him literately forcing his body to get stronger. Its similer to SS Grade 2 and 3 (although not quite the same thing). Think of it like trying to contain a raging river in a weak dam, his untrained body can barely contain all that raw power and is quickly being eroded by it.

After his training he can use his full power just as easily as Goku can with no ill-effects.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That would be just another assumption though. Freeza had been training. For all we know, he can access all of his true form's power without bulking up now.

How would that be even possible? Freeza's Full Power Form works like the SSGrade forms, it fills the muscles with ki & amplifies the user's power. Freeza gets stronger because he gets bigger, he doesn't get access to his hidden powers by getting bigger.

It looks more like he abandoned the form because it sucks, as his fight with Goku showed, and he got a new, better form that didn't suck to his knowledge.