If Dragonball Z came back on TV would Bruce Faulconer Music come back?

[LuckyCat]

It may not be controversial in your personal experience, but nearly any given YouTube video comparing Faulconer's music with other tracks howls with disagreement in the comments. Here's just one from the Cell Games; the top 2 rated comments say completely different things about the music, both with upvotes over 100.

And, you know this forum tries to focus on the original version, so Faulconer is especially controversial here. If I went to a dub-preferred forum, I would expect to stir up disagreement for liking Kikuchi or Nozawa.

[ABED]

Nostalgia does not affect my feelings towards the original English dub by Funimation so that is irrelevant. If I truly felt it was bad as I got older, it would've happened by now after all the times I've rewatched it over the years. I cannot keep liking something for nostalgia, I can only keep enjoying it if it still remains good, and it is to me. In your case, you are accepting something in your own view as bad, but are saying you enjoy it, despite you yourself considering it bad. What one feels about a series and either or not it is "bad" or not is entirely up to the person.

If we're getting into opinions, then I honestly think your opinion is overly harsh on the original dub and not something I agree with as I do not consider it "sub-par". I respect your view nonetheless.

Acting is very much subjective, that is why critics can either like or dislike something about the same actors being portrayed on screen. It's why some critics can love a movie and say it has great acting, while other critics can dislike that same movie and say it has inferior acting. What one defines "good" in this subjective context towards acting and sound is entirely up to the user once again. There are things such as consensus, but consensus opinion still doesn't equate to a factual statement, all it means is that there are a larger number of people who agree with a subjective opinion than the other subjective opinion.

I have a difficult time believing nostalgia has NOTHING to do with your view of the dub. What about those performances even in season 3 were good to you? Why do you prefer Young to Ayers? His view may be overly harsh, but I think your view is overly kind.

And yes, I know we're always told that nearly everything is subjective, but it's relatively rare that I see critics not agree about acting. I don't think I've ever seen some critics say the acting is phenomenal while others say that a performance is absolute dog crap.

[NitroEX]

Nostalgia does not affect my feelings towards the original English dub by Funimation so that is irrelevant. If I truly felt it was bad as I got older, it would've happened by now after all the times I've rewatched it over the years. I cannot keep liking something for nostalgia, I can only keep enjoying it if it still remains good, and it is to me. In your case, you are accepting something in your own view as bad, but are saying you enjoy it, despite you yourself considering it bad. What one feels about a series and either or not it is "bad" or not is entirely up to the person.

If we're getting into opinions, then I honestly think your opinion is overly harsh on the original dub and not something I agree with as I do not consider it "sub-par". I respect your view nonetheless.

This denial of nostalgia doesn't seem very logical to me. The effects of nostalgia aren't something you can accurately measure to the point where you can say for certain that you're "not affected by it", I think in most cases it happens on a subconscious level. It's a conditioned response that's involuntary. I can't listen to 8-bit BGM from the first Pokemon games and not feel any nostalgia towards that, however, any kid or adult hearing it for the first time in this day and age would most likely consider it crude and possibly annoying, because they have no nostalgia or memories attached to it.

I also don't think nostalgia washes off as you get older. Being old isn't necessarily going to make someone immune to liking something from when they were young, nor would it make them more objective about a piece of media. If they felt strongly about something in the moment and have fond memories attached to it then they're bound to still feel that way years later. I think that you can be more objective about something later in life but that depends on how much media a person consumes and how low the bar of quality is set in their minds. If my only experience with anime dubs is limited to kids anime series like Yugioh and Pokemon then I might think the Funimation dub is "good" but clearly, there's much higher quality dubbing work out there (in terms of script and acting) so it's not very good from my perspective.

Also, aside from just nostalgia, people who were introduced to one version of the show are probably always going to consider everything else "not right" in comparison, because to them, the original Funi dub is just how it's meant to sound.

[ABED]

It differs from person to person. I have nostalgia for a great many things I grew up with. However, certain things I watched I've tried to watch as an adult and I can't, whereas I'm able to watch things like Power Rangers in my 30s even though the quality is awful. In cases like the Street Fighter anime movie, I've seen the uncut version that didn't have the rock music, and I miss it. Even though I know it's the original score, I prefer the 90's rock score. However, I can't say the same about DB. I don't like DB with synth or hard rock. They don't fit.

[8000 Saiyan]

Nostalgia does not affect my feelings towards the original English dub by Funimation so that is irrelevant. If I truly felt it was bad as I got older, it would've happened by now after all the times I've rewatched it over the years. I cannot keep liking something for nostalgia, I can only keep enjoying it if it still remains good, and it is to me. In your case, you are accepting something in your own view as bad, but are saying you enjoy it, despite you yourself considering it bad. What one feels about a series and either or not it is "bad" or not is entirely up to the person.

If we're getting into opinions, then I honestly think your opinion is overly harsh on the original dub and not something I agree with as I do not consider it "sub-par". I respect your view nonetheless.

Are you sure it doesn't? I doubt it. Nostalgia is a powerful thing that blinds people. I had to accept that the stuff I liked as a kid wasn't as good as I thought it was.

[Fionordequester]

Are you sure it doesn't? I doubt it. Nostalgia is a powerful thing that blinds people. I had to accept that the stuff I liked as a kid wasn't as good as I thought it was.

I was a late teenager by the time I really became a diehard fan; DBZ had already ended it's run by the time I was able to watch it regularly. Guess what? I thought the Team Faulconer score was miles ahead of the Kikuchi score. I'm not going to force my opinion down your thought, naturally; but that's how I personally felt when comparing the two.

That said, I DID play all the Legacy of Goku games as a child; so it's possible there's still some bias there. But again, I never heard the TV score till I was basically a late teenager

I personally think that the "devotion" to Faulconer's score--which is to say, the sentiment among some fans that "DBZ isn't DBZ without Faulconer"--has died down over time.

Sigh...yeah, it's true. Still; imagine what it would be like for an old dub fan to have his favorite score ALONG with the new and improved voice acting? Sigh...

[ABED]

Thankfully it peaked. The Faulconer score came and went. My hope is that it will be seen as a relic from the past just like FUNi's other bad dubbing practices.

Fio, nostalgia is still possible from one's late teens.

[8000 Saiyan]

Are you sure it doesn't? I doubt it. Nostalgia is a powerful thing that blinds people. I had to accept that the stuff I liked as a kid wasn't as good as I thought it was.

I was a late teenager by the time I really became a diehard fan; DBZ had already ended it's run by the time I was able to watch it regularly. Guess what? I thought the Team Faulconer score was miles ahead of the Kikuchi score. I'm not going to force my opinion down your thought, naturally; but that's how I personally felt when comparing the two.

That said, I DID play all the Legacy of Goku games as a child; so it's possible there's still some bias there. But again, I never heard the TV score till I was basically a late teenager

I personally think that the "devotion" to Faulconer's score--which is to say, the sentiment among some fans that "DBZ isn't DBZ without Faulconer"--has died down over time.

Sigh...yeah, it's true. Still; imagine what it would be like for an old dub fan to have his favorite score ALONG with the new and improved voice acting? Sigh...

So you want DBZ to be redubbed?

[Fionordequester]

So you want DBZ to be redubbed?

No, I want the Team Faulconer audio to be paired with...

...

OOOOOH, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I can see how THAT'S probably not gonna happen. So ok, Team Faulconer with DBZ Kai footage and English voice acting. That's more what I meant to say.

[Kokonoe]

And, you know this forum tries to focus on the original version, so Faulconer is especially controversial here. If I went to a dub-preferred forum, I would expect to stir up disagreement for liking Kikuchi or Nozawa.

Disagreement is never the issue (for me), it's how one goes about it.

I have a difficult time believing nostalgia has NOTHING to do with your view of the dub.

Are you sure it doesn't? I doubt it. Nostalgia is a powerful thing that blinds people. I had to accept that the stuff I liked as a kid wasn't as good as I thought it was.

I'll say it again. Nostalgia will never affect if I still enjoy something 10+ years later. There are some things I use to enjoy when I was younger, and as I got older I stopped liking it despite having nostalgic memories of the times I did enjoy it. In this scenario, that isn't the case for me. I also watched the Ocean variant of DBZ from 1996 till Funi started dubbing the later part of the Frieza saga in I guess...1999 or 2000? This isn't my first variant of DBZ, so if anything, if I'm "nostalgic", I'd be biased towards Ocean's dub via this train of thought. I watched DBZ just as much as I could with Ocean as I did with Funi, I just enjoyed Funi's execution far more.

What about those performances even in season 3 were good to you? Why do you prefer Young to Ayers?

I'd suggest going back a few pages and looking at my more detailed post when someone asked me precisely why I liked the Final Flash scene more. Ayers is good and I'm not going to knock him or anything, it's not like it was the new Gohan or Android 18 (which I really didn't care for), but the reason why I prefer Young over Ayers is that although Ayers is the more clean sounding voice, it feels a little too flamboyant at times. I preferred the more rough sounding Frieza where it sounded more unique and sinister. But once again, I don't dislike Ayer's Frieza.

And yes, I know we're always told that nearly everything is subjective, but it's relatively rare that I see critics not agree about acting. I don't think I've ever seen some critics say the acting is phenomenal while others say that a performance is absolute dog crap.

Happens a lot with movies. Metacritic generally documents that kind of stuff as well.

[ABED]

I prefer Young over Ayers is that although Ayers is the more clean sounding voice, it feels a little too flamboyant at times. I preferred the more rough sounding Frieza where it sounded more unique and sinister

Freeza is flamboyant! That's a fact. And what about Linda's voice sounds rough or sinister? Young is an older woman TRYING to sound sinister by telling really corny jokes. Her performance is someone trying way too hard. What about her telling really terrible jokes is preferable to you than the actual character and an objectively better performance? And I will stand by that statement because despite what all your teachers have drilled in your head, not everything is subjective. You previously stated you felt FUNi's VA's mesh better with the characters, but I don't think you understand who these characters are as evidenced by your statement about Freeza.

Nostalgia will never affect if I still enjoy something 10+ years later.

I don't buy that for one single solitary second.

The Faulconer score is indicative of the FUNi dub's problems. It's cheap and it never quiets down.

[ekrolo2]

Glance at the comment section of comicbookmovie.com and you will see some of the silliest opinions from detractors why they think Ledger's performance is god awful.

Oh you poor soul, you still go to that place?

[ABED]

Glance at the comment section of comicbookmovie.com and you will see some of the silliest opinions from detractors why they think Ledger's performance is god awful.

Oh you poor soul, you still go to that place?

Not to the comment section.

[NitroEX]

I'll say it again. Nostalgia will never affect if I still enjoy something 10+ years later. There are some things I use to enjoy when I was younger, and as I got older I stopped liking it despite having nostalgic memories of the times I did enjoy it. In this scenario, that isn't the case for me.

Sounds like a false equivalence in my opinion. Some media just holds up better than others for a multitude of other reasons. Certain programs or movies we watched as kids were basically made for very young children with insultingly simple plots and paper thin characters, obviously, those types of shows would have nothing in them that appeals to teenagers or adults regardless of nostalgia. Those aren't really comparable to DBZ though; a show with plenty of violence, mature themes (death and genocide), character growth, plus art and animation that's sophisticated enough to maintain appeal even to an older crowd.

I also watched the Ocean variant of DBZ from 1996 till Funi started dubbing the later part of the Frieza saga in I guess...1999 or 2000? This isn't my first variant of DBZ, so if anything, if I'm "nostalgic", I'd be biased towards Ocean's dub via this train of thought. I watched DBZ just as much as I could with Ocean as I did with Funi, I just enjoyed Funi's execution far more.

Nevermind the fact that you saw them both at roughly the same age, which wouldn't really make you any more nostalgic for one over the other... It sounds like you only had the original 53 episode run, which is a drop in the bucket compared to the 223 edited Z episodes + movies & OVA that Funimation dubbed in comparison (not to mention the remastered dub and videogames). With that said it's obvious which of the two would leave a greater lasting impression on you. The in-house dubbed episodes that followed would have also had the more engaging story and plot points too, hardly a fair comparison.

[ABED]

The in-house dubbed episodes that followed would have also had the more engaging story and plot points too, hardly a fair comparison.

That's debatable. The Freeza arc and Cell arc were the most watched.

[NitroEX]

The in-house dubbed episodes that followed would have also had the more engaging story and plot points too, hardly a fair comparison.

That's debatable. The Freeza arc and Cell arc were the most watched.

Which would lend itself to the point I was making. More people cared about what was going on during those episodes than the first 53/67

[ABED]

The in-house dubbed episodes that followed would have also had the more engaging story and plot points too, hardly a fair comparison.

That's debatable. The Freeza arc and Cell arc were the most watched.

Which would lend itself to the point I was making. More people cared about what was going on during those episodes than the first 53/67

Most watched doesn't mean it's more engaging. It takes time to build an audience and that audience wouldn't have built had they not cared about those first 53 episodes.

[NitroEX]

Most watched doesn't mean it's more engaging. It takes time to build an audience and that audience wouldn't have built had they not cared about those first 53 episodes.

I get what you're saying but I don't think you're going to find more people reminiscing about Raditz and the Ginyu Force over Freeza vs Goku or the Cell Games for example. I'm also not naive enough to believe that every viewer was fully caught up with all the episodes at the time. Plenty of people dive straight into popular series knowing very little and having their friends fill them in.

[ABED]

Most watched doesn't mean it's more engaging. It takes time to build an audience and that audience wouldn't have built had they not cared about those first 53 episodes.

I get what you're saying but I don't think you're going to find more people reminiscing about Raditz and the Ginyu Force over Freeza vs Goku or the Cell Games for example. I'm also not naive enough to believe that every viewer was fully caught up with all the episodes at the time. Plenty of people dive straight into popular series knowing very little and having their friends fill them in.

I don't know, Raditz was the beginning and leaves quite the impression. Besides, the fight against Freeza and Cell are boss battles. Sure, friends will fill their friends in, but the reason they do so is because they enjoyed what came before. It takes time to build an audience. DB started off in syndication then went to Cartoon Network where it really began building its audience and then picked up more with new episodes. The show's increased popularity doesn't imply the subsequent arcs are more compelling.

[8000 Saiyan]

Glance at the comment section of comicbookmovie.com and you will see some of the silliest opinions from detractors why they think Ledger's performance is god awful.

Comic book fans can never be pleased with what they get.