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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:20 am

Super Saiyan Swagger wrote:Music was so on point. Sumitomo has been knocking it out of the park with the music in this arc.
Right long gone are the days of that annoying jingle!! Jiren walking and the the SSGSS fight the music was fantastic you could literally feel it! Then he whipped out some orchestral stuff too. Black arc was a step up but this arc he's found his rhythm.

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Nickolaidas » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:22 am

dnavenom wrote:Anyone payed attention to Quitela in this episode? The other gods seemed pretty serious after Jiren unleashed his Ki, and the mouse just kept lounging an smiling. He doesn`t seem at all concerned that his universe has a few fighters left and one of them will have to fight Jiren probably. Made me wonder what is he up to.
As far as we know, everything is going according to his plan. His two invisible fighters are his trump card, and I'm pretty sure they're going to do something really plot-twisty at some point in the tournament.

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Draconic » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:23 am

So, where even to start with this special?? Well, let's go about it in order.

Goku vs Ribrianne was great. Love her character to death and her fighting style is cool and unique. However, I don't think they've done her justice. She is certainly one of the most important fighters introduced and will probably be one of the last people standing, but until now she's portrayed as quite weak. No opponent seems to take her quite seriously enough to make her feel worthwhile. She needs to be paired up with someone she can play off of better.

Great to see what her motivation for getting the Super Dragon Balls is, quirky and fitting. Also, the first thing coming to Goku's mind when asked what his desire is being torwards Chi-Chi and his sons was beautiful! Luckly, his second thought pretty much comes true instantly.

Jiren baby! Let's talk about Jiren. Holy shit what a boring non-character was he before tonight, but god did the special make up for it in spades. He's certainly not interesting and since he's not going all out we still haven't seen him actually DO much, but just the sheer way characters react to him and his every action does bring out the feeling he is a threat. I don't think I've truly felt a character was as strong as what he's been hyped up to be like with him in those episodes since Freeza. Again, he doesn't do much, but every little thing he does seems to bring along with it this energy and aura that simply makes him look unbeatable.
I mean, just think about it. For months now people have been debating if he truly is the "mortal stronger than a God of Destruction", even though it was quite obvious, due to how shit a job the show did to build him up, but I think that would have been easily put to rest here, even without getting outright confirmation from Whis. He is just that much of a monster. To be honest, I think the whole point of making him a Pride Trooper/Superhero was because if this guy by any chance was evil, everybody would be fucked.

Goku sizeing him up in all his forms was interesting and I quite liked the way the old forms didn't even bring out a reaction out of him, while God finally made him move. It shows that there is still quite a gap between those two levels and for the first time ever, once Goku went Blue did I actually feel he was using his true power. No beating around the bush, Blue hasn't felt all that special except maybe a couple of times. Sadly, it finally gets it's due just as it's about to become outdated.
The repeat of the reveal that Goku's been using Kaioken x20 the entire time was pretty weird, though, and I am not a big fan of it not getting any kind of special looks or introduction, but, to be honest, seeing as it's both useless and gets outdated after like 10 minutes, I think it's for the better there was no fanfare surrounding it.

At first, I felt the Genki Dama scene was dragged quite a bit, with Goku on the brink of death spanning from the end of 109 and spilling into 110, which totally felt unnecessary, but in hindsight, seeing as it's quite a important plot point in the achievement of Ultra Instinct, I think it was handled well. Again, Jiren proves his awesomeness and quite a bit of personality in stopping the attack. Going from trying to push it with one hand to outright pushing it with just a glare while Goku is struggling at full power showcases that "pride in his power" thing, mentioned in the newly released profile, quite well. He also becomes the first ever character to manage to push it back: Vegeta avoids and survives a weaker version of it, Freeza tanks it, Buu gets killed... but Jiren? Jiren doesn't have time for that shit!
However, I'm not sure it wasn't obvious that would be the case. Not because of spoilers or stuff like that, but because of how little energy Goku actually gathered. He only takes it from his teammates, no Beerus, no Whis and he doesn't even take that much away from them, since none seems too bothered by it. I mean, that kinda undermines the whole moment. Just show the Universe 7 Gods give some to him too. It would drive home the point much easier.

Also, can I just say that I fucking hate Vermoud and Khai? Their whole plan of demoralising every remaining contestant by having Jiren beat Goku at full power is quite vicious and made them pretty unlikeable. Not sure what that was all about, or if that was the intention. Luckly, it backfired and everybody seemed even more ready to throw down.

Next on the line, Goku's "death" scene was superbly handled. Everything stopped for a while, Beerus looked in ruin and even the Zeno's weren't quite happy with the turn of events. Leave it to the Grand Priest to smack some sense into everybody. They also adressed what would happen if one were to kill another by countering his own attack, so that's nice to know, even though it was quite obvious.

But now... let's talk about IT. Migatte no Goku'i! Ultra Instinct! Holy crap! I loved the form from the start, liked the design and it's slowly crawling to the top of my favorite transformations. Still not convinced I like it more that God, but with how God has been treated in the manga and this arc... Yeah, I don't think it's going to last long there anymore. Has there ever been a "transformation" that felt more powerful than this one? I really can't think of any.

I mean, there have been better transformation seqences, like the original Super Saiyan or Gohan's Super Saiyan 2, but did any feel as powerful as it should have, like this one? Honestly, I think it has to do, again, with the opponent. Since Jiren is so strong, this new form is still not enough to defeat him, so it has to basically be full power all the time in order to stand up to the task. Usually, once you're there, it's done... the villain/antagonist is trash. Not here, though and in surprising fashion, that doesn't take away from it. It's quite a testament to the crafting of those episodes. Everything complements eachother so well that the fact it's an achievement to be behold is never questioned, even though the battle is NOT WON YET!

The ensuing battle is amazing and is hands down my favorite piece of work from Super. Perfect animation from my favorite animator on the show, Naoki Tate, who's basically a god. Has there even been a time, at least this arc, where he wasn't involved in the best parts? Episode 79: best of the Exhibition Matches; Episode 87: best of the Recruitment arc; Episode 110: best of the Tournament. That's not mentioning all the great work he put out for Kale's transformation, the Maidens' henshin, or Gohan vs Obuni. I find it baffling that people were worried about him being here. Luckly, he is proving people wrong with basically every stroke of his pen.
Then, there's the amazing insert song (which comes on top of a lot of new songs from those two episodes that are absolutely spectacular and capture the Dragon Ball feeling perfectly) and even the voicework seems to be better than usual. Horikawa doesn't sound bored and generic, as he usally does in Super and Nozawa knocks it out of the park adding layer upon layer to Goku, which she rarely does anymore. That's not mentioning the great touch of adding the Oozaru scream to Goku's screams that completly sells the state of being achieved by the form.
Also, I might be wrong on this, but I think I've heard some new sound effects too. At least during the part with the Genki Dama, I'm sure there are some crushing sounds that haven't been used before.

Other things:
- Hit is outstanding. He comes out for one line, but it's such a great one. "My job". Hell yeah!
- Freeza, cheeky bastard. I'm convinced he's there to help Goku and share some of his energy with him, but damn is that not a good cliffhanger nonetheless.
- Yuya Takahashi is a master. I can't wait for the episode he'll supervise, especially since he didn't do a lot here, so he might actually put on some animation work in 113 too! Magnificent artwork and the rotation... godlike.
- I don't have any problem with Vegeta not sharing his energy with Goku. Actually, I think it was pretty smart not to. He helped Goku by protecting him from Brianne's sneak attacks, so it's not like he did it out of being an asshole. He wants to conserve his strength and wants to be the winner of the prize, so I think it was the better choice, especially seeing as there are a lot more warriors in the ring and if Goku does fall, he's the one who has to pick up after him. Freeza is too much of an wildcard and Gohan isn't up there with them yet. I see people hating this turn of events, but to be honest, it made perfect sense to me, and I hate Vegeta.
- Whis fanboying over Goku's newfound strength was pretty great. It was nice to see some personality from him, since in those exposition moments he almost always sounds like he just got out of bed.
- Beerus is great! There's so much character in here. You can tell there's true friendship between him and Goku.

So yeah, that's pretty much it. There's problems here and there, but none stand out, while the great stuff... Let me put it this way: The climax of the arc? Well, I climaxed already.

And next week it looks like we'll get an episode almost as good as those ones. Not only is it Hit vs Jiren, aka my most anticipated fight this tournament, but Hit appears to be putting in work. There looks like there'll be new techniques in play and if the fight vs Dyspo is to serve as an example, we shouldn't count the assassin out yet. Sure, I don't expect him to win, but I don't think Jiren will come out as unscattered as it might look at first.
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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Bullza » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:27 am

I'm not a fan of Ribrianne myself, I really don't like the character design. She looks fine normally but terrible transformed. I also can't stand the whole magical thing in general.

But people do seem to be going really over the top with her hate for her. Not just here but on Youtube as well, there seems to be a wide dislike for her. She ain't that bad, it's not like she's taking over the saga and at least she stands out and is unique amongst the cast.

Saying she's the worst thing to come out of the whole franchise is a bit much. We all know that title belongs to Dragon Ball Evolution and GT Pan.

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by LightBing » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:29 am

Cool episodes carried by the hype and excellent animation. Ultra Instinct looks amazing, it's already one of my favourite looking transformations, if it is a transformation seems more like a technique to me.

Not the best episodes of tournament to me, easily the best fighting sequences; the writing is what brought this episode down. Goku starting slow, copying exactly the Namek and Kaioken surprise, Vegeta regressing for no reason, the Genki Dama being inconsistently strong with just the power of U7 warriors.
Oh and the usual people fighting in base.

The Genki Dama serving as the trigger for Ultra Instinct..., I'm not sure if I like or dislike this. It's very similar to what happened in movie 7.

I'm not ready to call Jiren boring, we know nothing about him. Ignoring these two episodes he had what? 10 minutes of screen-time?

Besides Ultra Instinct and the fighting sequences, another shining point was Freeza. He's been intriguing. Jiren is super strong and deserves respect for it, Freeza...; Freeza feels threatening. Every time he smirks or seems to have realized something, it's unsettling. He might become the mvp of the arc by the end.

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:36 am

Lets break it down:

Episode 109:
I'm probably in the minority, but I absolutely adored Ribrianne. Not just with how entertaining and well animated her fight was with Goku was, but I also like how they gave her motivation and further conviction by giving us context of what she would use the Super Dragon Balls to wish for. It fit in with her character, as well as adding an extra layer to it. Her trying to be pragmatic and attack Goku while he was gathering energy for the Genki Dama while Goku's back was turned was a nice touch.

The atmosphere and progression of the initial fight between Goku and Jiren was just excellent. Goku going through his entire arsenal of SSJ form, excluding SSJ3 for obvious reasons, only for Jiren to no sell everything was just amazing.

What was a really great feature of this episode was in the in-universe discussion between Krillin, Tien and Roshi about the approach made by Goku and Jiren when they were fighting eachother. It really puts into perspective that Dragon Ball at it's core, irregardless of the stakes at hand or from what world and universe the opponent may originate from, is a show about martial artists who seek out to bring out the best in themselves and who they fight against so that they can get produce the ultimate battle. I love that Dragon Ball Super isn't shying away from traditional concepts and leitmotifs that Toriyama built the story on originally. So when people wonder why not all of the contestants aren't taking this tournament super seriously, the show has given some context of what that may be the case, ath their core, a lot of these characters are martial artists who look to make the most of a unique opportunity, such as the Tournament Of Power, to challenge themselves. Dragon Ball is about pushing your limits. Not being a hero.

I'm probably in the monitory, but I enjoy the non-expressive, stoic nature of Jiren. He carries out this aura of person who always seem so confident in himself, acting like the fight is one after on major attack. But he manages to balance that attitude so well with being so respectful and being the honourable martial artist he is to allow Goku to gather energy for his special attack (Genki Dama). Some times with characterisation, less is more. And I find Jiren to be a good example of less being more.

I enjoyed the scene of Goku gathering the energy for the Genkai Dama from his teammates of Universe 7, and especially Freeza's hilarious commentary on witnessing the attack again. I have no problem with the Genki gathering that much energy. Everyone in the major cast, in much stronger compared to how they were in the Majin Boo arc, so it would only seem natural they could contribute more energy to the Genki Dama and as they were in very close vicinity to where Goku was gathering the energy, there's no real issue with the Genki Dama getting that large so fast either.

The only real hiccup in that episode was Vegeta not giving energy for the Genki Dama. What was up with that? I can only hope this was done intentionally for an energy conserving purpose on Vegeta's end that he will elaborate on later. As of now, it was a little out of character for Vegeta to act like that.

I also found the animation and music to on point in this episode.

Overall, this was an exceptional episode.

Episode 110:
The tense and unnerving atmosphere of the Genki Dama collapsing in on itself and turning into black hole/void/singularity was masterful. I knew that Goku isn't goind to die but the moment Goku just passed out and falls into the black hole/void/singularity was directed so well with the lack of sound, wonderfully paced music, sensational voice acting, and stunned silence from some of the cast. Beerus reaction was the best. He was shocked and saddened that Goku seemed to die, but upon his return he had become invigorated. Beerus has never felt like such a fleshed out character. He went from intrigue, to shock, to sadness, to denial, to happiness, to pride and right back to shock in one episode. It was just wonderful character acting from him.

Goku returning was just perfection. It didn't feel too long or too short until he reappeared. Like Goku returning to fight King Piccolo, Goku returning to save Gohan from Nappa, Goku transforming into a SSJ for the first time, Gohan becoming a SSJ2, Majin Vegeta killing himself in an attempt to kill Majin Boo and Goku transforming into a SSJ3, it was the perfect calm-before-the-storm moment. And the magnificent animation, excellent insert song and sensational storyboarding, elevated everything about Goku (in his new form) fighting Toppo, Jiren and Dyspo to unbelievable heights.

I'm also very glad the episode to a breather to provide some insight on how may have Goku attained his new form. Even if it's wild mass guessing. But the theory that Goku used his own power to prevent himself from being consumed by the energy of the Genki Dama when it collapsed in on itself and exploded is thematically ingenious. Goku has always been a character who has preferred to break through thresholds of new heights in power with his own devices, and that is something that was mentioned back in Battle Of Gods was how Goku didn't like having to borrow the energy of others to reach a new realm of power and throughout several instances in the original story. So the idea that Goku fought against the very power he collected from his allies in attempt to defeat Jiren, and process of the clash between his own power and the power of the Genki Dama, reached a new plateau of strength, is a magnificent evolution of the subtle context for which Goku approaches strength and attaining new form. Goku seeks for any opportunity to challenge himself but at the same time doesn't want the personal burden of feeling as though he has to borrow from others to break though any glass ceilings of power. His personal drive in truly unlike any other character in Dragon Ball and this episode of Super truly has emphasised that.

Overall, this was a perfect episode. I don't throw around the word "perfect" so loosely in describing an episode of Dragon Ball, but this was it. Just... perfect.

I... don't really know what to say. This double episode was everything I wanted out of Super and so much more. The raw tension, the fantastic animation, the great direction, the awesome new insert song and the brilliant cliffhanger ending.

Episode 109/110 are the best entries into Super as of now. And both episodes have crept into the the top 5 list of all time best episodes in the anime franchise, for me personally.

You've truly vindicated your existence, Dragon Ball Super.
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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Nickolaidas » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:37 am

I liked the fact that Jiren actually showed some sparkle of personality in this episode.
- He finds the Saiyans interesting (due to their potential)
- He had acknowledged Hit, showing that he found him interesting to observe as well.

Really curious to see if Jiren will acknowledge fighters like Frieza, Ribrianne, the two bugs, Gohan and #17.

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Nickolaidas » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:41 am

Lord Beerus wrote:The only real hiccup in that episode was Vegeta not giving energy for the Genki Dama. What was up with that? I can only hope this was done intentionally for an energy conserving purpose on Vegeta's end that he will elaborate on later. As of now, it was a little out of character for Vegeta to act like that.
I'm wondering if they did it to validate him having enough power to kick Ribrianne away, but as the same time this would imply that all power-donators are now at minimum strength, and I'm pretty sure that ain't the case.

OR, maybe they had Vegeta reject the donation to seem like an ass, but then redeem himself by shielding Goku from the Love Heroine (making the audience go 'there, see? He's still a hero!') Not sure.

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Kanassa » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:50 am

MajinMan wrote:For the people who for some reason think that Ribrianne is the worst thing to come out of DB, Dolltaki would like to have a word with you. Oh wait, he's from GT, so it doesn't count.
Meh, I didn't mind Dolltaki. He was the right amount of comedy and creepiness.
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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Xeogran » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:50 am

Has anyone noticed the U6 Namekians FINALLY appearing in person?

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Not a good entrance at all (in fair it's disappointing), but I hope it won't reflect on their future performance.

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Tombstone1988 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:56 am

CJStriker_CBR wrote:But again I disagree with you completely on the fight. Again Vegeta remember in 102 was at SSJ-1 level and she tanked that with easy. Also really one kick with NO damage to her does not even come close to equaling out class or out-powered. Again the really only reason that fight ended was cause Jiren is as their.
I don't really remember Vegeta and Ribrianne having a formal fight. I only remember him being SSJ and about to attack before getting grossed out and backing off. Not much to go off of there.

And the kick DID do damage; you can see the wings visibly being knocked off of her and she is knocked a fair distance away. Also, considering she couldn't even sense Goku's attack or stand up to it, I'd say she was outclassed/out-powered. If we're talking visible damage, well, Super this arc has been wildly inconsistent with that. Kale knocked Goku through several rocky structures and literally slammed him back and forth on the arena floor without him sustaining any visible harm. Goku was also ragdolled by Jiren this very episode (109) and yet up until 110 he didn't show any visible damage. Jiren was very clearly much stronger than Goku, so visible scrapes and bruises aren't really much of an indicator of power difference, at least this arc.

Again, liking or disliking a character is all subjective, and Ribrianne might be stronger than she's been portrayed. But this episode did NOT showcase that in my eyes.
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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by TheDipDap1234 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:56 am

Pretty good special.

Ribrianne is a joke character that was probably created to be hated by the audience. The amount of ridiculous facial expressions she got in this episodes made me laugh. Goku's kick and Vegeta's blast to her were hilarious. I'm glad she wasn't eliminated, I hope she stays till the end.

Lol Goku wants to wish something for Chichi or his sons. And people say he doesn't care about his family.

Dyspo looked pretty weird in some shots, same with Jiren and Gohan, but besides that, the episode was very well animated.

I liked how we pretty much saw every single fighter that didn't get erased yet in this special.

Freeza at the end looked great.

Goku's transformation and his fight with Jiren were great for the most part, but I wasn't a huge fan of the song they used in it.

The new ending is AWESOME! Definitely in my top 3! Great song, and fantastic visuals.
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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Jigurashi » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:02 am

Lord Beerus wrote:Lets break it down:

Episode 109:
I'm probably in the minority, but I absolutely adored Ribrianne. Not just with how entertaining and well animated her fight was with Goku was, but I also like how they gave her motivation and further conviction by giving us context of what she would use the Super Dragon Balls to wish for. It fit in with her character, as well as adding an extra layer to it. Her trying to be pragmatic and attack Goku while he was gathering energy for the Genki Dama while Goku's back was turned was a nice touch.

The atmosphere and progression of the initial fight between Goku and Jiren was just excellent. Goku going through his entire arsenal of SSJ form, excluding SSJ3 for obvious reasons, only for Jiren to no sell everything was just amazing.

What was a really great feature of this episode was in the in-universe discussion between Krillin, Tien and Roshi about the approach made by Goku and Jiren when they were fighting eachother. It really puts into perspective that Dragon Ball at it's core, irregardless of the stakes at hand or from what world and universe the opponent may originate from, is a show about martial artists who seek out to bring out the best in themselves and who they fight against so that they can get produce the ultimate battle. I love that Dragon Ball Super isn't shying away from traditional concepts and leitmotifs that Toriyama built the story on originally. So when people wonder why not all of the contestants aren't taking this tournament super seriously, the show has given some context of what that may be the case, ath their core, a lot of these characters are martial artists who look to make the most of a unique opportunity, such as the Tournament Of Power, to challenge themselves. Dragon Ball is about pushing your limits. Not being a hero.

I'm probably in the monitory, but I enjoy the non-expressive, stoic nature of Jiren. He carries out this aura of person who always seem so confident in himself, acting like the fight is one after on major attack. But he manages to balance that attitude so well with being so respectful and being the honourable martial artist he is to allow Goku to gather energy for his special attack (Genki Dama). Some times with characterisation, less is more. And I find Jiren to be a good example of less being more.

I enjoyed the scene of Goku gathering the energy for the Genkai Dama from his teammates of Universe 7, and especially Freeza's hilarious commentary on witnessing the attack again. I have no problem with the Genki gathering that much energy. Everyone in the major cast, in much stronger compared to how they were in the Majin Boo arc, so it would only seem natural they could contribute more energy to the Genki Dama and as they were in very close vicinity to where Goku was gathering the energy, there's no real issue with the Genki Dama getting that large so fast either.

The only real hiccup in that episode was Vegeta not giving energy for the Genki Dama. What was up with that? I can only hope this was done intentionally for an energy conserving purpose on Vegeta's end that he will elaborate on later. As of now, it was a little out of character for Vegeta to act like that.

I also found the animation and music to on point in this episode.

Overall, this was an exceptional episode.

Episode 110:
The tense and unnerving atmosphere of the Genki Dama collapsing in on itself and turning into black hole/void/singularity was masterful. I knew that Goku isn't goind to die but the moment Goku just passed out and falls into the black hole/void/singularity was directed so well with the lack of sound, wonderfully paced music, sensational voice acting, and stunned silence from some of the cast. Beerus reaction was the best. He was shocked and saddened that Goku seemed to die, but upon his return he had become invigorated. Beerus has never felt like such a fleshed out character. He went from intrigue, to shock, to sadness, to denial, to happiness, to pride and right back to shock in one episode. It was just wonderful character acting from him.

Goku returning was just perfection. It didn't feel too long or too short until he reappeared. Like Goku returning to fight King Piccolo, Goku returning to save Gohan from Nappa, Goku transforming into a SSJ for the first time, Gohan becoming a SSJ2, Majin Vegeta killing himself in an attempt to kill Majin Boo and Goku transforming into a SSJ3, it was the perfect calm-before-the-storm moment. And the magnificent animation, excellent insert song and sensational storyboarding, elevated everything about Goku (in his new form) fighting Toppo, Jiren and Dyspo to unbelievable heights.

I'm also very glad the episode to a breather to provide some insight on how may have Goku attained his new form. Even if it's wild mass guessing. But the theory that Goku used his own power to prevent himself from being consumed by the energy of the Genki Dama when it collapsed in on itself and exploded is thematically ingenious. Goku has always been a character who has preferred to break through thresholds of new heights in power with his own devices, and that is something that was mentioned back in Battle Of Gods was how Goku didn't like having to borrow the energy of others to reach a new realm of power and throughout several instances in the original story. So the idea that Goku fought against the very power he collected from his allies in attempt to defeat Jiren, and process of the clash between his own power and the power of the Genki Dama, reached a new plateau of strength, is a magnificent evolution of the subtle context for which Goku approaches strength and attaining new form. Goku seeks for any opportunity to challenge himself but at the same time doesn't want the personal burden of feeling as though he has to borrow from others to break though any glass ceilings of power. His personal drive in truly unlike any other character in Dragon Ball and this episode of Super truly has emphasised that.

Overall, this was a perfect episode. I don't throw around the word "perfect" so loosely in describing an episode of Dragon Ball, but this was it. Just... perfect.

I... don't really know what to say. This double episode was everything I wanted out of Super and so much more. The raw tension, the fantastic animation, the great direction, the awesome new insert song and the brilliant cliffhanger ending.

Episode 109/110 are the best entries into Super as of now. And both episodes have crept into the the top 5 list of all time best episodes in the anime franchise, for me personally.

You've truly vindicated your existence, Dragon Ball Super.
I pretty much agree with all of this. Jiren has honestly become one of my favorite characters. Beerus' character was absolutely fantastic this episode as well. As were Goku and Freeza. Almost everything was phenomenal. Although I'm neutral on her, I don't have a problem with Ribrianne. Her tsundere like crush on Jiren even gave me a chuckle.

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by buutenks » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:07 am

Wow, just wow. I haven't felt this much excitement since Goku first turned ssj. This special was amazing and then some. Also, Brianne is funny, buff said.

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by SansrivaaL » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:14 am

Say anything you want about Ribrianne but lets make this clear, Jiren is waaaaay more worst than her, at least Ribrianne tries putting out jokes, Jiren on the other hand literally does nothing to define him as a character other than "me, cool."

BTW whats the title of the song when that fun music popped in after Goku charged Jiren? vocal sounded like Kageyama, it was fcking hype!
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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Jaetinh » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:15 am

110 was nuts, God damn Goku. I rarely rewatch clips of Dragon Ball Super on Youtube or Crunchyroll.. but this time, I simply had to rewatch Goku tons of times. The music too, oh yes.

Ribrianne though. Man, fuck her, she's so fucking annoying and I hope she gets murdered somehow. Her "ai, ai, ai, ai," is making me throw up.

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Jigurashi » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:18 am

SansrivaaL wrote:Say anything you want about Ribrianne but lets make this clear, Jiren is waaaaay more worst than her, at least Ribrianne tries putting out jokes, Jiren on the other hand literally does nothing to define him as a character other than "me, cool."

BTW whats the title of the song when that fun music popped in after Goku charged Jiren? vocal sounded like Kageyama, it was fcking hype!
I don't think Jiren is worse than Ribrianne at all. I don't really find either bad and I enjoy Jiren more.

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by SansrivaaL » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:28 am

Jigurashi wrote: I don't really find either bad and I enjoy Jiren more.
Blasphemy! that sentence doesnt make any sense at all.

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Bullza » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:29 am

Did anyone else notice the Namekians in the background of 110? That's their first appearance right?

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Re: Super Episode 109-110 (8 October 2017)

Post by Son Vegito » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:32 am

I judge them as one episode and this was imo the best episode of the entire series(DBS only). Such a shame Goku skipped SSJ3. If it wasn't for that plus all horrible Ribrianne scenes, this episode would've gotten a 10/10. 9/10 isn't too bad either. A few scenes were litteraly movie animation quality.

But, how were Goku and Jiren able to fly?
I thought the spirit bomb only worked against evil people? Seemed a bit contradicting.
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