Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:30 pm

Rena Rune wrote:
omegacwa wrote:
Rena Rune wrote: Style over Substance fallacy. Look it up. Basically, the post you just made is invalid in a real debate.

Stop using that as an excuse. Any aggression on my behalf was very much provoked.

Even if my posts were insulting, they certainly contained a lot of reasoning. They were certainly not "Purely" insulting. You are showing a complete lack of respect disregarding all the points I made, doubly so for using an utterly pathetic excuse to avoid them. Please retract and apologise, or you're only proving me correct.
Make a list of your points and I will respond accordingly. I am not going to go back through all your posts that are littered with over-reacting insults to fish out your ideas about the movie. Thanks.
This is pure laziness and I have no reason to believe you will do anything different to what you've already been doing. I already pointed out that ignoring someone's post based on "offensive" language is Style over Substance. This is a logical fallacy. It means your argument is not internally consistant, therefore yes you should go back and reread them. Heck, you even ignored me when I brought that up as if it was nothing. Why should I bother to reorganise everything for you when you can't even take note of statements like that?

Make a list of your opinions in an organized fashion and I promise to rebut them in a competent way for you.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:31 pm

EDIT: Delete please

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:31 pm

Rena Rune wrote:Yeah! Oversimplifying everything is INTELLIGENT :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

It doesn't have to be intelligent to be entertaining to someone. I feel bad for people who can't enjoy simple things in life.

What's entertaining to one person is not to another

Exactly! You're not going to be entertained by the movie, we get it. It's against your beliefs, it's against your tastes, and that's fine. It's you that are attacking other people for being entertained by something you're not.

and people are all too easily entertained on a shallow level. Celebrating this shallow feel good factor is a good thing now? As if there isn't enough of it?

Why does it have to be anything more than entertaining? If it entertains anyone then it's succeeded. I'd write more here before you just call me an idiot, but I'm literally halfway out the door, so meh.

You really shouldn't be in this thread.

Now you're just being rude. Personal attacks like the ones you're throwing around, calling people idiots for their opinions, are against the rules. You're just going to get yourself banned if you don't calm down.

Rena Rune · Post by **Rena Rune** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:31 pm

Thank you.

Rena Rune · Post by **Rena Rune** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:33 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
JAPPO wrote:
Rena Rune wrote: You really shouldn't be in this thread.
And you shouldn't be on the internet.
Actually, there are plenty of places on the internet suited to her type of "debating," this forum, however, I'm not so sure is one.

What, so this forum debates by ignoring the other person's points, calling them a hypocrite, and denouncing them completely for being mildly aggressive?

I think there's a point at which "this is our forum" fails to be an excuse. Some things are just improper.

Exactly! You're not going to be entertained by the movie, we get it. It's against your beliefs, it's against your tastes, and that's fine. It's you that are attacking other people for being entertained by something you're not.

Fucking hell, back up statements like this, seriously. Calling someone a fucking idiot isn't even that offensive since it's not personal or relevant to their argument. Accusing someone of being intolerant without evidence is VERY offensive.

Now you're just being rude. Personal attacks like the ones you're throwing around,

And calling someone intolerant without backing isn't a personal attack?

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:33 pm

Tweaker wrote:EDIT: Delete please

Yeah that's what I thought.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:35 pm

JAPPO wrote:
Tweaker wrote:EDIT: Delete please
Yeah that's what I thought.

Fuck you, you arrogant piece of donkey shit. I just moved my comment back into my original post so it had context. Go take your immature egotistical bullshit and shove it up your self-righteous ass.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:36 pm

Tweaker wrote:
JAPPO wrote:
Tweaker wrote:EDIT: Delete please
Yeah that's what I thought.
Fuck you, you arrogant piece of donkey shit. I just moved my comment back into my original post so it had context. Go take your immature egotistical bullshit and shove it up your self-righteous ass.

You know I'm not the one who looks bad here.

Rena Rune · Post by **Rena Rune** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:37 pm

It's mostly Jappo's fault people are so on edge to begin with. Because he started out with a minority opinion, he kept guilty tripping people and causing shit storms to twist people into agreeing with him. He even set up a forum that has a thread for "Negative" opinions, segregating them from all the other opinions. Now more and more people are being guilt tripped, frustrated or chased into either being silent or changing their opinion. It's bullying.

I know I've been damn harsh on the mods/admin here, but it really is in your best interest to stop this kind of nonsense before it gets out of hand. I can guarantee this WILL Destroy this board, and other boards, if it gets out of hand. The same thing happened with Transformers.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:38 pm

Well, this thread is over.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:39 pm

Please pretty please lock this thread.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:39 pm

Rena Rune wrote:It's Jappo's fault people are so on edge to begin with. Because he started out with a minority opinion, he kept guilty tripping people and causing shit storms to twist people into agreeing with him. He even set up a forum that has a thread for "Negative" opinions, segregating them from all the other opinions.

I know I've been damn harsh on the mods/admin here, but it realise is in your best interest to stop this kind of nonsense before it gets out of hand. I can guarantee this WILL Destroy this board, and other boards, if it gets out of hand. The same thing happened with Transformers.

Yes, it's my fault for having an opinion that isn't the majorities. Makes perfect sense.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:39 pm

JAPPO wrote:
Tweaker wrote:
JAPPO wrote: Yeah that's what I thought.
Fuck you, you arrogant piece of donkey shit. I just moved my comment back into my original post so it had context. Go take your immature egotistical bullshit and shove it up your self-righteous ass.
You know I'm not the one who looks bad here.

Actually, yes, you are. You're strolling through this thread, taking cheap stabs at people, and expecting to get away with it on the sole basis that you're not the one making gigantic walls of text in a thread where everyone disagrees with you. You're a dick, plain and simple, and I'll be god damned if you come in here trying to attack me with that shit. Crawl back into the festering pile of shit you came from and go fuck yourself.

Rena Rune · Post by **Rena Rune** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:40 pm

omegacwa wrote:Well, this thread is over.

Goddamit why do you have to say this? Comments like this never help. How many threads do you see that only really go down the shitter when people start saying "Well THIS thread is gonna be locked..."

You're not helping anything at all, moreover you're using the possibility this thread will be locked to worm out of having to argue properly.

Rena Rune · Post by **Rena Rune** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:41 pm

JAPPO wrote:
Rena Rune wrote:It's Jappo's fault people are so on edge to begin with. Because he started out with a minority opinion, he kept guilty tripping people and causing shit storms to twist people into agreeing with him. He even set up a forum that has a thread for "Negative" opinions, segregating them from all the other opinions.

I know I've been damn harsh on the mods/admin here, but it realise is in your best interest to stop this kind of nonsense before it gets out of hand. I can guarantee this WILL Destroy this board, and other boards, if it gets out of hand. The same thing happened with Transformers.
Yes, it's my fault for having an opinion that isn't the majorities. Makes perfect sense.

Goddamn you are an annoying asshat. Did you just read the first two lines?

I'm blatantly in the minority in this thread, so why would I say something like that? Fucking hell think for once in your life.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:43 pm

Rena Rune wrote:Please retract your statement or back it up. And shove your juvenile namecalling up your ass if you're going to be calling anyone a "Hypocrite".

I'll retract absolutely nothing. I'm not the one once again insulting people's intelligence over their opinions on a movie made out of a cartoon.

Apparently, your idea of what a "bastardization" of such a property is seems different from most people (and VERY confusing in light of your defense of the dub, hence the "hypocrite" label). That in itself is fine, so whatever. But when you feel that anyone who disagrees with YOUR warped standards is deserving of insults like you've been dishing out ("goddamn stupid," ... That's despicable and inexcusable. On top of it all, you're now making yourself out as some sort of underdog again, when all you're doing is acting like a troll.

Rena Rune wrote:Right after I gave a very good reason why things like Dragonball DO matter. Do you have any idea how frustrating that is?

You mean THIS reason?

Rena Rude wrote:Things like "Dragonball" are important because most of the serious things in life don't make us happy at all.

This movie makes me happy. How 'bout that?

I meant what I said entirely. DragonBall, as a whole franchise, is purely for entertainment. Yes, there's the occasional lesson to be learned, or the neat, quirky little detail to be found, or the interesting plot twist or character development. But every good series have that. Even compared to other titles in it's genre, DragonBall is relatively "shallow." As big a fan as I am, with the library of facts in my head, and the fanart and fanfiction I do, and spending a lot of time on the forum...

What I don't do is allow myself to be so deeply immersed in or obsessed with it that I blind myself to the truth: "DragonBall is a goofy comic/cartoon largely about super-powered monkey-people who know kung-fu." Hence, why I'm not "offended" by a movie adaptation, just because the lead super-powered monkey acts a little differently than his cartoon counterpart.

You, meanwhile, rant for pages upon pages about how people should be able to use the wholly incorrect dub name "Tien" if they want to because "people can like and use whatever name they prefer, and trying to force them not to is a violation of their rights." Yet you then turn completely around, and proclaim that since this movie is different than the original, that NOBODY should like it. Do you see why I called you a "hypocrite?" Are you aware of what that word implies?

JAPPO wrote:
Rena Rude wrote:You really shouldn't be in this thread.
And you shouldn't be on the internet.

I'm sure you'll call me a mindless, follower zombie or something for this, but I agree. I don't even care what the topic is, you seem incapable of being a decent human being in conversation for more than a few days at a time.

Offensive language IS a big matter when you expect someone to take you seriously. Honestly, try that crap in a courtroom. You think you're going to get anything LESS than thrown out of the building in contempt if you said the things you've been saying to the opposing lawyer?

Honestly, you accuse everyone of not "seriously" debating with you... AFTER you curse out the wazoo and insult them? That's not how it works. You haven't shown any sort of so-called reasoning aside from "I dislike the changes in this movie and you're a gullible idiot if you don't agree with me." Grow up, learn how to work with people, and THEN you'll be worth having a discussion with.

It seems that while I've been typing this, you've brought the thread even further down the toilet. This oughta be fun to watch until it gets locked.

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:44 pm

Rena: Most people on this site don't like the movie. Most of us understand your arguments. But personally attacking people for having a different view on the movie is just stupid. And it doesn't make you sound more intelligent by just adding in a 1:3 swear word ratio either (although you also need to calm down Tweaker).

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:50 pm

I regret nothing I've said. Rena shouldn't be allowed near a computer if this is how she acts all the time.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:51 pm

I would very much like to calm down, but that requires Jappo here to stop being such an outstandingly brown little shitstain in this thread. I absolutely despise the whole mob mentality where people come in with one liners like "LOL YOU FAIL" or "You shouldn't be here; gtfo" or some crap, so I called him out on it; when I decided to edit my post and merge it back into a post I had made earlier for the sake of organization, he comes in with this ridiculously arrogant attitude towards me.

There is absolutely no justifcation for that. He's being a dick, so I called him a dick. And then he has the fucking nerve to get arrogant with me? Oh hell no. Not gonna happen.

I don't consider myself unreasonable, and I never thought I'd be so outraged by the behavior of someone on these boards. Someone needs to put that smug little bastard in his place, because he clearly doesn't have any regard or respect for others who might happen to challenge his behavior or actions.

JAPPO wrote:I regret nothing I've said. Rena shouldn't be allowed near a computer if this is how she acts all the time.

And you shouldn't be allowed near a person if all you do is act like a prick all the time. And from what I'm hearing in the IRC, this is no new practice for you. Learn some goddamn respect.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:55 pm

Tweaker wrote:I would very much like to calm down, but that requires Jappo here to stop being such an outstandingly brown little shitstain in this thread. I absolutely despise the whole mob mentality where people come in with one liners like "LOL YOU FAIL" or "You shouldn't be here; gtfo" or some crap, so I called him out on it; when I decided to edit my post and merge it back into a post I had made earlier for the sake of organization, he comes in with this ridiculously arrogant attitude towards me.

There is absolutely no justifcation for that. He's being a dick, so I called him a dick. And then he has the fucking nerve to get arrogant with me? Oh hell no. Not gonna happen.

I don't consider myself unreasonable, and I never thought I'd be so outraged by the behavior of someone on these boards. Someone needs to put that smug little bastard in his place, because he clearly doesn't have any regard or respect for others who might happen to challenge his behavior or actions.

You want to feel better about yourself by putting me down. That's understandable. I don't feel bad because I did nothing wrong, but continue to bash me if it'll help your problems.