"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[FortuneSSJ]

Um... Future Trunks, Future Gohan, Vegeta, Goku, Gohan? Dragon Ball is filled with tragic pasts, they just don't go as in-depth as other series do, or they actually show us in "real time" instead of flashbacks.

You can have Piccolo and Tenshinhan too. Still, they don't throw us their backstory everytime and use it for these characters being emo all the time.

Naruto everytime he met a villain, uses talk no jutsu and says the same bullshit about his past all the time.
Toei milking Chopper backstory is beyond belief. And his backstory is the the worst of Straw Hats.
Levi from shingeki no kyojin just got a tragic backstory these month, to follow this trend.

I can go on.

Z-fighters never cursed their pasts all the time. They would always focus on getting stronger, move forward, and not mention anything about it. That's just one of the may things I love about Tori's style.

[Dyno]

And that's the point, it should be as in-depth enough to establish some characters development, I also don't want the "emo way" like Naruto, but I want something similar... Minato Namikaze was a dead character and had all his development completed and fulfilled his purpose... Can I say the same for some past characters of Dragon Ball?

[Doctor.]

And that's the point, it should be as in-depth enough to establish some characters development, I also don't want the "emo way" like Naruto, but I want something similar... Minato Namikaze was a dead character and had all his development completed and fulfilled his purpose... Can I say the same for some past characters of Dragon Ball?

I absolutely loathe the notion that characters need to have a fully fleshed-out backstory in order to be considered a very developed character, that's a lie and Dragon Ball itself through Vegeta and Piccolo proves this. I blame One Piece and Naruto for this type of writing where only an overabundance of flashbacks can actually develop a character but the authors do a very poor job of actually developing them as the story goes on. Dragon Ball has never worked this way, and neither did Shounen around the same time like Yu Yu Hakusho and Rurouni Kenshin, they develop their characters the same way Dragon Ball does, through the character's actions and exposition. Even current Shounen, like Bleach, Hunter x Hunter and Toriko, do the same thing.

[Dyno]

I won't even talk about Bardock, tell me what we can say about King Vegeta, considering only the canon materials, of course.
What can you say about that character?

You know, characters like him are enough to be name call like "stupid/trash character who doesn't do anything/doesn't add anything to the Dragon Ball lore". And yet, when some asks for some character development because of this reason, the answer is "there's no reason to do that/he already fulfilled his purpose, even though he appeared for two pannels/was mentioned just once". Isn't it ironic? It's just too stupid for me.

[Doctor.]

What can you say about that character?

Absolutely nothing and that's the point, he was mentioned like twice in the entire manga, it's obvious he isn't supposed to be a relevant character, so it's pointless to develop him at all. Like Ashura and Indra in Naruto (since you appear to read Naruto, I'm using it as an example). They're important to the lore, but not important to the story, and that's why they were never fully developed, same case with King Vegeta.

You know, characters like him are enough to be name call like "stupid/trash character who doesn't do anything/doesn't add anything to the Dragon Ball lore". And yet, when some asks for some character development because of this reason, the answer is "there's no reason to do that/he already fulfilled his purpose, even though he appeared for two pannels/was mentioned just once". Isn't it ironic? It's just too stupid for me.

I've never seen anyone call King Vegeta, a character with zero personality, a trash character; that wouldn't even make any sense. What I cannot phantom is why you want characters that have long been dead, that were never relevant in the first place and it's unlikely they ever will and that very few people care about, to get more exposure and be developed.

[Araki]

I absolutely loathe the notion that characters need to have a fully fleshed-out backstory in order to be considered a very developed character, that's a lie and Dragon Ball itself through Vegeta and Piccolo proves this. I blame One Piece and Naruto for this type of writing where only an overabundance of flashbacks can actually develop a character but the authors do a very poor job of actually developing them as the story goes on. Dragon Ball has never worked this way, and neither did Shounen around the same time like Yu Yu Hakusho and Rurouni Kenshin, they develop their characters the same way Dragon Ball does, through the character's actions and exposition. Even current Shounen, like Bleach, Hunter x Hunter and Toriko, do the same thing.

The thing is, character development was, generally speaking, much more subtle and less in-your-face back then than in modern anime/manga, but it was there, as you said. One just needs to pay attention, but not everyone does - you know that's true when you see someone say Goku didn't change anything through the course of DB.
I'd say something changed in the mid to late 90's, maybe thanks to the Evangelion influence, but older series like Dragonball simply hadn't bother to tell angsty, emo backstories yet at the time.

But yes, Naruto got obsessed with it to the point of becoming a running joke. When everyone gets a "sad childhood flashback", it eventually loses all the point and impact.

[Chuquita]

I haven't actually seen all of Evangelion, but I can buy that as a reason for why a lot of modern shounen series are full of flashbacks.

Not a fan of flashbacks myself, I like in the present character development more.

[Doctor.]

you know that's true when you see someone say Goku didn't change anything through the course of DB.

You have no idea how much I get irritated when someone makes this claim

[Dyno]

I like in the present character development more.

Seconded. But this also generates another issue: "Ah, this character has been on exposition so many times now, fuck him, get the hell outta there". Even though his past appearances were either spin-off/filler/side-story/what-if/non-canon, therefore, not contributing at all to the character development.

[DBZ_Lee]

I don't know if I can post it in here, but Shonengamez have provided a scan from V-Jump. No images are shown, but Toyotaro is drawing a manga (Authored by Toriyama Sensei) based on Super.
The manga will be exclusive to V-Jump, with the first issue appearing next month. It's coming!!

[Chuquita]

Sounds fun! I'm in good spirits on Toyotaro right now since he's the only way I got some ssjg Gokû in F. :3

[Ajay]

Hopefully this is accurate. Their site isn't exactly known for perfect translations.

Exciting news, though! I very much enjoyed Toyotarō's Revival of 'F' adaptation.

The site makes it unclear as to whether Toriyama is writing the dialogue and Toyotarō's doing the art, or whether this is just him adapting what's roughly seen in the show on his own.

[ArchedThunder]

So we don't get a logo or any art from V-Jump this month? That's a shame...

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Not entirely sure how I feel about this. On one hand it would be nice to have a manga adaption, but on the other... His progression on Victory Mission, with V-Jump being a monthly release, is leaving me a little less than optimistic on content and pacing. Especially if it retains the 13-15 page count of Victory Mission. If it can maintain the ~30 pages of the Resurrection F adaptation though, I'd be a little more optimistic.

[Doctor.]

Excited still, but not that much until we can get some news about Super itself, and not what surrounds it. It still feels like a dream even after so much time has passed and a manga is being announced.

[ArchedThunder]

Wait, are we 100% sure this is a scan from within V-Jump? I can't find anything else from the issue online.

[FortuneSSJ]

ROF manga adaptation couldn't be better.
And if it's the same perfect combo: Toyble art + Tori script, I have all the reasons to get hyped.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I see Goku is in his "F" outfit, possible confirmation it is indeed set after "F"?

[DBZ_Lee]

I really hope this takes place right after "F", it (for me anyhow) is the best option. I don't know if the fact they've gone with a picture of Goku in his "F" outfit is any kind of indicator, or whether it's simply a case of them choosing the most recent drawing of Goku they have from Toyotaro.

[ArchedThunder]

I see Goku is in his "F" outfit, possible confirmation it is indeed set after "F"?

It's just Toriyama's F art.