Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[hexcode99]

Is it possible that "1.37 million" is a mistranslation?

As we know Frieza's power level in his 1st form was stated as 530,000.
What would his 100% 4th power level be if we started him with a 1st form power level of 1,370,000?

[dbzfan7]

At this point id wager 1.37 trillion would have to be more accurate.

Woulda gone with Nako's number

By the way, how high do you suppose Freeza’s battle power has gotten now?
He’s a nice guy, so maybe 100 quintillion?

There's nothing that says how he can make SSJ raise his multiplier higher than the other forms, and sap less strength.

Was it ever said in the manga that the forms are multipliers ?

It was in the Super Exciting Guide which he was apart of I believe. That's where the numbers came from.

[vegitot]

Power level is coming back? How disappoiting

[Deathbringer]

Power levels should never have been introduced in the first place. They hold back a lot of storytelling opportunities in this series and fans are never satisfied with them

Anyway all I keep seeing is people caring more about Vegeta beating Freeza than anything elseis that really all that they wanted to see? I want to know what everyone else is doing but maybe I should just wait till the movie comes out outside of Japan.

[ShaneisMC]

Is it possible that "1.37 million" is a mistranslation?

As we know Freeza's power level in his 1st form was stated as 530,000.
What would his 100% 4th power level be if we started him with a 1st form power level of 1,370,000?

no where even remotely close to being fathomably sufficient

[FortuneSSJ]

I'm reading the past pages and still didn't found about Blue SSJG?!
Is it real?! Goku and Vegeta both get it?! Fill me in

Man this wasn't a fair fight at all when you look at it
Freeza had help from Sorbet
Vegeta took on a depleted Freeza
Goku with a seznu bean and help from Whis killed an exhausted Freeza

On the flip side everyone got to shine.

Goku saves earth.
Vegeta kicks Freeza's ass.
Freeza kicks Goku's ass and destroys the earth.

No one got the short end of the stick which is what I expect from Toriyama.

I agree. This is war after all. There's no rules when the universe is on the line.
But I would like Freeza to survive. At least, he didn't become good/his character wasn't ruined.

[Cold Skin]

Yeah, the blue hair stuff being the Super Saiyan form with God powers, that was predictable, with the hair/eyes shape and the kind of color chosen as I said repeatedly before.
And people who freaked out now go "oh, it was just Super Saiyan with God powers, well it's okay then, it feels kind of logical when you think about it". Uh-uh, what a surprise, nobody could have guessed that possibility and how well it is thought just by using logic and evidences at hand.

If you're going to bring back an old villain from the dead, at least make sure he does something worthwhile before killing him off again; they didn't. I can't see how this is hypocritical, unlike the other examples you provided.

Acheiving a new form and destroying the Earth?

The form helped him defeat absolutely nobody without some kind of outside factor helping him and Earth's destruction was reversed within minutes, so it's irrelevant.

Freezer has done the maximum he could have possibly done, aka destroying the Earth! And of course we don't want the movie to end with Earth being destroyed, it's already dramatic enough that we got to see that nightmarish vision of "Freezer has REALLY blown up the Earth along with all those characters we loved for years"!
Living such a turn of events for 3 minutes is already so intense that it's more than enough, and Freezer has therefore made a striking comeback that improves his presence in the story in great ways and serves his character right!

Freezer is the superstar, Freezer is gold in the flesh, Freezer is at the center of the movie's poster and the movie's title, Freezer is being included in all games with updates...
I think Freezer really gets the spotlight and has done more than what could be expected from him with this movie, including defeating Goku on a one-on-one battle, which was probably he's ultimate dream! So he's done his thing, discard him at the end of the movie, maybe he'll come back next time, but the movie needs to end with a clear "Freezer has been destroyed" even if a doubt is left about it.

I think the "plan" could have nothing to do with Freezer coming back again, but could have to do with anything that happened due to Freezer being here, including Whis going back in time, the Saiyans showing their new Super Saiyan version, etc...

[ShadowWolf87]

IF a lot of these things we're hearing are true, then Revival of F must be one of the most fanfic Dragonball movies ever made. Action and conflict were amped to the extreme to make up for the creative shortcomings. Earth blown up. Vegeta dies (for the third time)! Human characters suddenly magically relevant for no reason. Super Saiyajin God 2 or whatever it is. Goku wins again, and again, and again...

Now that the raw details are starting to emerge, should I still be singing praises because ~~~TORIYAMA~~~ at least attempted to shit out a script? The guy knows that he can't adhere to what is already in his own manga, and after giving us a taste of his interpretation of creativity/continuity with the look of the Super Saiyajin God design and its severe implications, Freeza's revival and subsequent illogically huge power increase, the random omission of characters and general lazy writing, he now opens a door to allow everything he wants whether it makes sense or not. But why would Toriyama still care for creativity when it is so convenient to exploit all the common Dragonball clichés? The Dragon World is set to become a static world as the so-called "continuation of the manga" fails to show us a development. Always the same stories, the same adversaries, the same outcomes. I wonder how much credibility Toriyama will still throw overboard for the sake of easy writing and to please a few fanboys.

Toriyama has crossed the line this time, and in more than one respect. We've had several major breaches of continuity before, but there was always some sort of loophole to allow fans to make up twisted theories why various events would not interfere with established facts. Not that I would be perfectly okay with cheap explanations like "Goku doesn't go SSj against Uub", but at least it was possible. From now on, Toriyama won't give a damn. Why bother about established characters and concepts if you can have the much cooler blue hair SSj and pull some mysterious alien like Jaco from out of nowhere? Everything's possible from here on out.

Literally everyone dies, and Goku's forced to see it happen AND gets told it's his fault. That would be pretty painful, to know that you were responsible directly for the destruction of your world.

Human characters are relevant vs Freeza's new army and you're upset about that. Nuff said there I believe.

Jaco existing hurts what? What exactly that's established has been contradicted here?

Your complaints are frankly so vague and fanboyish that they border on nonsense. At least elaborate.

[sintzu]

I'm reading the past pages and still didn't found about Blue SSJG?!
Is it real?! Goku and Vegeta both get it?! Fill me in

Both of them have it.

I think it's a mastered state of the form.

[MajinVegetaPD]

To me the brokentranslation looks like Freeza trained under a force of over 1 million.....like gravity or something. Still a bit absurd though.

[Zephyr]

IF a lot of these things we're hearing are true, then Revival of F must be one of the most fanfic Dragonball movies ever made. Action and conflict were amped to the extreme to make up for the creative shortcomings. Earth blown up. Vegeta dies (for the third time)! Human characters suddenly magically relevant for no reason. Super Saiyajin God 2 or whatever it is. Goku wins again, and again, and again...

Toriyama has crossed the line this time, and in more than one respect. We've had several major breaches of continuity before, but there was always some sort of loophole to allow fans to make up twisted theories why various events would not interfere with established facts. Not that I would be perfectly okay with cheap explanations like "Goku doesn't go SSj against Uub", but at least it was possible. From now on, Toriyama won't give a damn. Why bother about established characters and concepts if you can have the much cooler blue hair SSj and pull some mysterious alien like Jaco from out of nowhere? Everything's possible from here on out.

Oh come on man, you're being way more than hyperbolic. Nothing indicates that the humans are relevant, at least in the sense that I assume you're saying relevant. Unless "showing up" is logically equivalent to "being relevant", in which case it was awesome to see Yamcha relevant at the Cell Games. And if that is the case, I don't see why any character is inherently undeserving of getting some form of spotlight. And yeah, Goku won. After losing, being saved by Vegeta, passing the baton to Vegeta who was going to win before Freeza copped out like a sore loser, being saved by Whis, etc. You can ignore those details if you want, but at that point it sounds like all you care about is who deals the finishing blow.

Several upon several loopholes have been posited already.

And damn near everything's always been possible. Every Dragon Ball story exists in the same reality that super science, magic, spiritual energy, and gags happen in. This is like Looney Tunes, but with action, suspense, and drama, and that's just amazing to me. Are you forgetting about Goku taking the nyoibo to the moon and the Dragon Balls recharging in less than a year? Cell inheriting martial arts techniques from DNA and having a movable nucleus? Buu's incredibly weird reversion sequence? The details bend to the whim of the plot. They always have, and they always will.

[ShaneisMC]

At this point id wager 1.37 trillion would have to be more accurate.

Woulda gone with Nako's number

By the way, how high do you suppose Freeza’s battle power has gotten now?
He’s a nice guy, so maybe 100 quintillion?

There's nothing that says how he can make SSJ raise his multiplier higher than the other forms, and sap less strength.

Was it ever said in the manga that the forms are multipliers ?

It was in the Super Exciting Guide which he was apart of I believe. That's where the numbers came from.

Whats his number though? I'm curious. like i said i really have no clue

[Ajay]

Kei17 mentioned on Twitter that he considers this film's animation to be superior to what we saw in Battle of Gods. That's nice to know, at least.

Unfortunately, he also mentions the absence of Joji Yanami (Kaio, Narrator). That's a little worrying.

On Sumitomo - "I enjoyed it. Kinda....Sumitomo's score felt almost non-existing. It was just there." and "It was not very Sumitomo-esque. I mean, it was just generic Hollywood style orchestra with chanting."

Eh, I can live with that.

[vegitot]

Super saiyan blue hair? How creative Toriyama is
Anyone still think this is more creative than GT

[Doctor.]

Freezer has done the maximum he could have possibly done, aka destroying the Earth! And of course we don't want the movie to end with Earth being destroyed, it's already dramatic enough that we got to see that nightmarish vision of "Freezer has REALLY blown up the Earth along with all those characters we loved for years"!
Living such a turn of events for 3 minutes is already so intense that it's more than enough, and Freezer has therefore made a striking comeback that improves his presence in the story in great ways and serves his character right!

Freezer is the superstar, Freezer is gold in the flesh, Freezer is at the center of the movie's poster and the movie's title, Freezer is being included in all games with updates...
I think Freezer really gets the spotlight and has done more than what could be expected from him with this movie, including defeating Goku on a one-on-one battle, which was probably he's ultimate dream! So he's done his thing, discard him at the end of the movie, maybe he'll come back next time, but the movie needs to end with a clear "Freezer has been destroyed" even if a doubt is left about it.

It doesn't matter if he destroyed Earth because time was reversed and Goku stopped him, which was a terrible move because it was really predictable. Technically, it never happened and nobody besides Whis and Goku (and maybe Beerus) knew about it. So, no, it's not good for his character. He defeated Goku thanks to Sorbet's help. Again, hardly praiseworthy. I repeat: he died accomplishing absolutely nothing.

[sintzu]

All I keep seeing is people caring more about Vegeta beating Freeza than anything else is that really all that they wanted to see?

It's 1 of the important thnigs people wanted to see and thankfully he did however he didn't kill him.

[SSJGFrieza]

Julian's summary must be pretty detailed if he's taking this long, looking forward to it

[jjgp1112]

I couldn't care less if 1.37 million is a mistranslation or not because power levels mean absolutely zero to the story.

[Kamiccolo9]

Julian's summary must be pretty detailed if he's taking this long, looking forward to it

Either that, or the guy's having a VERY strong drink before posting it. I know I would.

[dbzfan7]

@ShaneisMC

By the way, how high do you suppose Freeza’s battle power has gotten now?
He’s a nice guy, so maybe 100 quintillion?

The number is in the quote 400 quintillion. Sounds like a silly big number...but it makes more sense. Maybe Nako saw the script and thought...what...that makes no sense. Or maybe that line of Nako's means the power level is only 1st Form Freeza and that there is nothing for his higher up forms....I hope it stays that way.

Also Julian said the score is on par with Battle of Gods. So it's ok.