Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[The_Destroyer]

This my ranking for Universe 6:

Dr. Rota (with ability)
Hit
Kefla
Kale
Pirina
Saonel
Caulifla
Cabba
Frost
Maggeta
Botamo
Dr.Rota(without ability)

Although I think I might put Pilina above Kale but I'm not sure.

Imo it goes

Kefla (seemed way stronger than Hit tbh)
Hit
Kale
Pirina/Saonel
Caulifla
Cabba
Maggeta (maybe higher but didn't show much)
Frost
Botamo
Dr. Rota (with his ability he would solo tournament though)

I put Hit higher because of Cage of time. Dont see Kefla break out of that.

[dragon boss z]

I put Hit higher because of Cage of time. Dont see Kefla break out of that.

It took all of Hit's power just to hold Jiren there, he couldn't even attack while doing it. So all he could do is hold Kefla until he gets tired or Kefla defuses. I don't see that happening.

[The_Destroyer]

I put Hit higher because of Cage of time. Dont see Kefla break out of that.

It took all of Hit's power just to hold Jiren there, he couldn't even attack while doing it. So all he could do is hold Kefla until he gets tired or Kefla defuses. I don't see that happening.

Not sure about the attack part. He was going in for an attack on Jiren while holding it but Jiren's glare is just too OP. Plus Kefla is weaker than Jiren so she might not be as hard to hold down.

[dragon boss z]

Not sure about the attack part. He was going in for an attack on Jiren while holding it but Jiren's glare is just too OP. Plus Kefla is weaker than Jiren so she might not be as hard to hold down.

He had to go in for the attack because Jiren was breaking out of it. If he could attack and hold the person down easily he would of done it. And even if he did do that to Kefla it probably wouldn't beat her, just knock her back. Hit's last ditch attempt was to ring out Jiren, he never had a chance to actually defeat Jiren in actual combat. I could see Hit using his techniques to beat Kefla in a tournament, but in a all out fight she would just overpower him. There is a reason Kefla was presented as the biggest threat of U6 and called their trump card, it's because she was. Hit required KK x10 to fight, she required ultra instinct.

[ZombieVito]

I do wonder how many times weaker is Piccolo from the U6 Namekians. The Makankosappo did beat them and even Saonel commended Piccolo's power.

Well prior to that he hardly even fazed Pirina.

Piccolo looked like he was about on par with Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. Pirina and Saonel more on par with Ultimate Gohan.

How many times stronger is Ultimate Gohan than Super Saiyan Gohan? No idea. Probably over four times though or a Super Saiyan 3 Gohan would be stronger.

It's odd because both Namekians seemed to be on par with Gohan and if we take the narrator as truth then Gohan's Blue level but Piccolo is only on base Goku's level.

That Makankosappo was Blue level?

[buutenks]

I say, until proven otherwise ala Berserk Kale, Ultimate Gohan should be low ssj blue level.

While android 17 would proly be in the ssj2-3 range, based off of his fight and what Goku said.

[Kataphrut]

This my ranking for Universe 6:

Dr. Rota (with ability)
Hit
Kefla
Kale
Pirina
Saonel
Caulifla
Cabba
Maggeta
Botamo
Dr.Rota(without ability)

Although I think I might put Pilina above Kale but I'm not sure.

Every power ranking for Universe 6 from here on out needs this. ^

[dragon boss z]

I say, until proven otherwise ala Berserk Kale, Ultimate Gohan should be low ssj blue level.

While android 17 would proly be in the ssj2-3 range, based off of his fight and what Goku said.

Berserk Kale was already proven otherwise. Controlled bersekr Kale was stated to be just as strong if not stronger than her out of control Berserk form and she was losing to a tired SSG Goku.

[SuperDragoon]

That fact that 17 was holding back against SSB Goku should have debunked the idea that he's base Goku level a while ago. And also the fact that 17 would apparently a formidable foe to Goku and Vegeta if he was evil. Someone comparable to Base Goku wouldn't require Goku to go SSJ2 and SSB (the latter of which he originally had no plans on using).

There's no evidence that Goku was holding back on Ultimate Gohan either. The fact the Goku used Kaioken shows this. As for Freeza, it being a fake fight could go both ways. As far as we know maybe Gohan was holding back on Freeza (I don't actually believe this but still).

[wolflonnie]

I'd say the Namekkians are possibly SSJ Vegetto (buu saga) tier. They were obviously strongr than Piccolo and weaker than Gohan.

[Bullza]

It's odd because both Namekians seemed to be on par with Gohan and if we take the narrator as truth then Gohan's Blue level but Piccolo is only on base Goku's level.

That Makankosappo was Blue level?

If Ultimate Gohan was really Super Saiyan Blue level then the same would have to be true for Pirina and Saonel as well.

So I suppose the Special Beam Cannon would also have to be Blue level. How strong Piccolo is supposed to be, I'm not sure. You'd think if he was a match for Super Saiyan 2 Gohan then he should also be a match for Super Saiyan 2 Goku as well. Though that seems problematic itself.

It would seem a little odd that Piccolo at that level could come up with a Super Saiyan Blue level attack. Though it all depends if they really are or not.

If Ultimate Gohan was shown to be a match for Dyspo or Toppo then I'd be convinced that he really was Super Saiyan Blue level.

[PushoverMediaCritic]

This my ranking for Universe 6:

Dr. Rota (with ability)
Hit
Kefla
Kale
Pirina
Saonel
Caulifla
Cabba
Maggeta
Botamo
Dr.Rota(without ability)

Although I think I might put Pilina above Kale but I'm not sure.

Every power ranking for Universe 6 from here on out needs this. ^

I'd say it's more like:

Dr. Rota (with ability)
Kafla
Hit
Pirina
Saonel
Kale
Caulifla
Cabba
Magetta (still stronger than the SS1 U6 Saiyans)
Frost
Botamo
Dr.Rota (without ability)

[ShinTenshin]

SSBLUE power is too much variable in the ANIME to clearly state the level of Gohan or C17.
But if we think that Goku blue Vs Gohan wasn't from Toriyama script (same for Blue vs Krilin) and if we take only the tournament fightings, so he appear Ultimate Gohan seems fodder compared to even SSGOD.

Namekians were really disapointing, seems they are at best SS2 levels.
I'd say this is the U6 power level but don't forget that the TOP Manga will help us a lot.
Kefla
Hit
Kale
Caulifla
Kyabe
Pirina
Saonel
Magetta
Frost
Botamo
Dr Rota

[ZombieVito]

SSBLUE power is too much variable in the ANIME to clearly state the level of Gohan or C17.
But if we think that Goku blue Vs Gohan wasn't from Toriyama script (same for Blue vs Krilin) and if we take only the tournament fightings, so he appear Ultimate Gohan seems fodder compared to even SSGOD.

Namekians were really disapointing, seems they are at best SS2 levels.
I'd say this is the U6 power level but don't forget that the TOP Manga will help us a lot.
Kefla
Hit
Kale
Caulifla
Kyabe
Pirina
Saonel
Magetta
Frost
Botamo
Dr Rota

Don't think so. They matched Ultimate Gohan and he is not SS2 tier.

At the bare minimum the Namekians are stronger than SS3 tier.

If Ultimate Gohan was really Super Saiyan Blue level then the same would have to be true for Pirina and Saonel as well.

So I suppose the Special Beam Cannon would also have to be Blue level. How strong Piccolo is supposed to be, I'm not sure. You'd think if he was a match for Super Saiyan 2 Gohan then he should also be a match for Super Saiyan 2 Goku as well. Though that seems problematic itself.

It would seem a little odd that Piccolo at that level could come up with a Super Saiyan Blue level attack. Though it all depends if they really are or not.

If Ultimate Gohan was shown to be a match for Dyspo or Toppo then I'd be convinced that he really was Super Saiyan Blue level.

Maybe Piccolo is SS2 tier and Goku only managed to resist his shockwave because of skill? Fighters can amplify their ki for defense as well so it could work out.

[DBZ Macky]

I'd say Ultimate Gohan, 17, etc. are on the lower end of the SSB tier. So they're more comparable to SS3 than SSG or SSB.
Goku was just holding back the lion's share of his power against them.

IMO, the power-chain of these "SSB tier fighters" are:

Hit
SS Kefla
SSB Goku (Full Power)
Kefla
SSG Goku
True SS Berserker Kale
SS Berserker Kale
SSB Goku (Suppressed)
Ultimate Gohan
Pirina
Piccolo (Makankosappo)
Saonel
Android 17 (Full Power)
Android 18 (Plot Boosted)
Giant Super Ribrianne
Super Ribrianne
Ribrianne
Android 17 (Holding Back)
Android 18

[ShinTenshin]

The Namekians are afraid of Caulifla SSJ, so they seems really weak.
Don't forget that the SS3 tier isn't the same today.
Gohan can still be marginaly stronger than SS3 Goku against Buu but that's all.
Vegeta SS2 and probably Kale seems way stronger than all the Buu saga tier and we don't talk about God tier.

Gohan ultimate block with ease the blast of Namekians and seems alone physically stronger than the 2 reunited.
Namekians surprised him with elastic arms.
The only dangerous power of Namekians is just their vitality.
Overall they seems fodder.
Gohan hasn't any damage at all.

[precita]

That's the same reason I don't think the Nameks are THAT strong. Probably somewhere between SSJ2 and SSJ3 from the Buu era. Gohan took no damage.

[namekiansaiyan]

The Namekians are afraid of Caulifla SSJ, so they seems really weak.
Don't forget that the SS3 tier isn't the same today.
Gohan can still be marginaly stronger than SS3 Goku against Buu but that's all.
Vegeta SS2 and probably Kale seems way stronger than all the Buu saga tier and we don't talk about God tier.

Gohan ultimate block with ease the blast of Namekians and seems alone physically stronger than the 2 reunited.
Namekians surprised him with elastic arms.
The only dangerous power of Namekians is just their vitality.
Overall they seems fodder.
Gohan hasn't any damage at all.

That's the same reason I don't think the Nameks are THAT strong. Probably somewhere between SSJ2 and SSJ3 from the Buu era. Gohan took no damage.

What about the beam struggle or when Saonel pushed Gohan back up and started punching him after being pushed to the ground himself.

I'd say Ultimate Gohan, 17, etc. are on the lower end of the SSB tier. So they're more comparable to SS3 than SSG or SSB.
Goku was just holding back the lion's share of his power against them.

IMO, the power-chain of these "SSB tier fighters" are:

Hit
SS Kefla
SSB Goku (Full Power)
Kefla
SSG Goku
True SS Berserker Kale
SS Berserker Kale
SSB Goku (Suppressed)
Ultimate Gohan
Pirina
Piccolo (Makankosappo)
Saonel
Android 17 (Full Power)
Android 18 (Plot Boosted)
Giant Super Ribrianne
Super Ribrianne
Ribrianne
Android 17 (Holding Back)
Android 18

Piccolo is stronger than 18 and Ribrianne.

[ShinTenshin]

Pirina resist a bit against Gohan blast, the same Krilin resist Goku blue kaméhaméha.
That mean nothing.
At the end Gohan as clearly the upper hand.
And physically he can fight alone against the 2 without any difficulty/damages.

If we except vitality they are weak.

[ZombieVito]

First things first.

Hit is not stronger than SS Kefla. That would mean Hit is over 20 times stronger than Blue Goku. No way.

The Namekians are on the same level has Ultimate Gohan, that much is obvious. They appear to be weaker since they couldn't take down Gohan 1 vs 2 but they aren't far from him. SS Caulifla is not stronger than them. Both of them were weak when she started to chase them.

Another thing is that I think Piccolo wasn't going all out before the second Makankosappo. Look at both his dialogue and Saonel's when he gets hit by the attack. Piccolo was having doubts and Saonel was surprise Piccolo had that power.