Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Green]

Ultimate Gohan seems strong but not exceptional like Kale was, he doesn't seem that amazingly different from SS3 Goku who didn't budge Jiren when medidating. Also for the matter, neither him nor the Super Namekians get hyped by the spectators like Blue/God Goku or Kale were. You know "What amazing pressure/speed/aura" and bla bla, his power just doesn't seem extraordinary like the others.

Also my own U6 powerscale:

Kafla
Hit
Kale
Pilina
Saonel
Caulifla
Cabba
Frost
Magetta
Botamo
Dr Rota

[namekiansaiyan]

First things first.

Hit is not stronger than SS Kefla. That would mean Hit is over 20 times stronger than Blue Goku. No way.

The Namekians are on the same level has Ultimate Gohan, that much is obvious. They appear to be weaker since they couldn't take down Gohan 1 vs 2 but they aren't far from him. SS Caulifla is not stronger than them. Both of them were weak when she started to chase them.

Another thing is that I think Piccolo wasn't going all out before the second Makankosappo. Look at both his dialogue and Saonel's when he gets hit by the attack. Piccolo was having doubts and Saonel was surprise Piccolo had that power.

I think Piccolo had an aura around him when he started charging his second Special Beam Cannon so I don't think he was going all out until then.

The scene at the end with Saonel, Pirina and Caulifla is just suppose to be a funny scene so I don't know why people are taking that into any consideration. They would just regenerate that wound anyway.

[majinwarman]

Ultimate Gohan seems strong but not exceptional like Kale was, he doesn't seem that amazingly different from SS3 Goku who didn't budge Jiren when medidating. Also for the matter, neither him nor the Super Namekians get hyped by the spectators like Blue/God Goku or Kale were. You know "What amazing pressure/speed/aura" and bla bla, his power just doesn't seem extraordinary like the others.

Also my own U6 powerscale:

Kafla
Hit
Kale
Pilina
Saonel
Caulifla
Cabba
Frost
Magetta
Botamo
Dr Rota

That list looks pretty accurate to me.

[The gr]

So here is the scaling of u6 including fusion.[spoiler]Hit>Kefla>Saonel/Pirina>Kale>Caulifla>Cabba>Frost>Magetta>Botamo>Rota.[/spoiler]Bullza made some legit point about the namekians being god tier,meaning is piccolo is much stronger than we think.Now here is the tricky question,is Frost really stronger than Magetta.

[namekiansaiyan]

So here is the scaling of u6 including fusion.[spoiler]Hit>Kefla>Saonel/Pirina>Kale>Caulifla>Cabba>Frost>Magetta>Botamo>Rota.[/spoiler]Bullza made some legit point about the namekians being god tier,meaning is piccolo is much stronger than we think.Now here is the tricky question,is Frost really stronger than Magetta.

Magetta is stronger than Frost as Vegeta struggles a lot more with him.

[Arg]

Rota>Kefla LSSJ2>HIt>Saonel/Pirina>Kale>Cauli/Cabba>Frost>Botamo/Magetta

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Rota>Kefla LSSJ2>HIt>Saonel/Pirina>Kale>Cauli/Cabba>Frost>Botamo/Magetta

I dunno, man....... that Bota-Magetta fusion (shut up, it counts as fusion, they said so themselves and it's the PERFECT fusion) was pretty formidable. I doubt even Zen'oh could've stopped them

[Doctor.]

Not even sure SSG is supposed to be super strong anymore. He's supposed to be weaker than base Vegetto scaling from Kefla, meaning that he's (back in the BoG arc, at least) likely Gohan Boo level. "God tier" means nothing at this point.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Right now, I have my own personal scaling placing SSG as around a 5000 times boost to Goku's Buucolo-level base form, with SSB being 5 times stronger than that.

Also, I have Ultimate being around a boost 30 times greater than SS3's 400 times for Gohan with an equivalent base form to Goku, placing him above SSG but below SSB.

I also have a perfect Potara fusion boost like Kefla or Vegito being roughly 8000-10000 times stronger than relatively equal base forms.

[Bullza]

Not even sure SSG is supposed to be super strong anymore. He's supposed to be weaker than base Vegetto scaling from Kefla, meaning that he's (back in the BoG arc, at least) likely Gohan Boo level. "God tier" means nothing at this point.

That's a completely different level of Base Vegito though compared to the BoG saga.

The current Base Vegito would walk all over a Super Saiyan 3 Vegito from the BoG saga. The difference would be the same as comparing the current Base Goku to a BoG saga Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

[Doctor.]

Not even sure SSG is supposed to be super strong anymore. He's supposed to be weaker than base Vegetto scaling from Kefla, meaning that he's (back in the BoG arc, at least) likely Gohan Boo level. "God tier" means nothing at this point.

That's a completely different level of Base Vegito though compared to the BoG saga.

That's why I said BoG arc SSG is Gohan Boo level.

The difference would be the same as comparing the current Base Goku to a BoG saga Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

You know I believe that's been retconned.

[Bullza]

That's why I said BoG arc SSG is Gohan Boo level.

I can't see it being that low. Just from a writing perspective they wrote off that Goku fusing with Vegeta just wouldn't be good enough. Then the whole story after introduced and revolved around the Super Saiyan God which was used instead.

But the whole time it would be intended to be weaker than what Base Vegito was in the anime?

Even in the manga, Base Vegito had a bigger impact against Merged Zamasu than Super Saiyan Blue Goku or Vegeta had.

I think Super Saiyan God was stronger than a Super Saiyan 3 Vegito and it's strength has largely unchanged since then to the point where the current Base Vegito would be superior.

You know I believe that's been retconned.

I'm​ not sure what they've done. At times it seems that way but other times not so much. Like him keeping up with the faster Slim Buu no problem or him surviving Sidra's attack when before Beerus gave him a tiny chop in the next and layed Super Saiyan 3 Goku out cold.

In the manga they imply he's above the Supreme Kai's as well.

But then him being a match for Base Gohan and him struggling with Tupper while Android 18 didn't is strange.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

This my ranking for Universe 6:



Although I think I might put Pilina above Kale but I'm not sure.

What about Frost?

Okay I'm an idiot, here's the real one:

Dr. Rota (with ability)
Hit
Kefla
Kale
Pirina
Saonel
Caulifla
Cabba
Frost
Maggeta
Botamo
Dr.Rota(without ability)

Magetta should be above Frost and maybe SSJ2 Cabba imo. He was able to give SSJ Vegeta a lot of trouble, and his durability is insane.

Here's my list for U6:

1. LSSJ2 Kefla (somehow surpassed SSBKKx20 despite only rivaling SSB in her LSSJ form, but whatever)
2. Hit (SSBKKx20 level)
3 and 4. Saonel/Pirina (SSG Goku level)
5. LSSJ Kale (SSJ3 Goku level)
6 and 7. SSJ2 Caulifla/Magetta (SSJ2 Goku level)
8. SSJ2 Cabba (between SSJ and SSJ2 level)
9. Frost (between Base and SSJ level)
10. Botamo (Base level)
11. Rota (fodder level)

[The_Destroyer]

What about Frost?

Okay I'm an idiot, here's the real one:



Magetta should be above Frost and maybe SSJ2 Cabba imo. He was able to give SSJ Vegeta a lot of trouble, and his durability is insane.

Here's my list for U6:

1. LSSJ2 Kefla (somehow surpassed SSBKKx20 despite only rivaling SSB in her LSSJ form, but whatever)
2. Hit (SSBKKx20 level)
3 and 4. Saonel/Pirina (SSG Goku level)
5. LSSJ Kale (SSJ3 Goku level)
6 and 7. SSJ2 Caulifla/Magetta (SSJ2 Goku level)
8. SSJ2 Cabba (between SSJ and SSJ2 level)
9. Frost (between Base and SSJ level)
10. Botamo (Base level)
11. Rota (fodder level)

I made another mistake then. I forgot Magetta ways stronger than Frost, damn it. You keep making me change my list!

Dr. Rota (with ability)
Hit
Kefla
Kale
Pirina
Saonel
Caulifla
Cabba
Maggeta
Frost
Botamo
Dr.Rota(without ability)

I'm keeping Hit above Kefla due to Cage of Time. I don't Kefla could break out of it like Jiren.

[TheDipDap1234]

How would you guys rank the Universe 2 fighters based on their power?

My list would be

Brianne de Chateau (Super/Giant Ribrianne)
Zirloin (Ribrianne form)
Zarbuto (Rozie form)
Su Roas/Rozie
Rabanra (Kakunsa form)
Sanka Ku/Kakunsa
Jimeze
Zirloin (normal form)
Rabanra (normal form)
Zarbuto (normal form)
Hermila
Vikal
Prum

[namekiansaiyan]

How would you guys rank the Universe 2 fighters based on their power?

My list would be

Brianne de Chateau (Super/Giant Ribrianne)
Zirlion (Ribrianne form)
Zarbuto (Rozie form)
Su Roas/Rozie
Rabanra (Kakunsa form)
Sanka Ku/Kakunsa
Jimeze
Zirloin (normal form)
Rabanra (normal form)
Zarbuto (normal form)
Hermila
Vikal
Prum

I think Hermila should be higher due to the type of attack he uses.

[precita]

How strong was Jimeze? He was giving Gohan trouble, but Gohan didn't power up. Then Freeza took him out rather effortlessly.

[namekiansaiyan]

How strong was Jimeze? He was giving Gohan trouble, but Gohan didn't power up. Then Freeza took him out rather effortlessly.

Someone like that is hard to place due to him being way lower than Final Form Frieza and a decent way above a Base Gohan. That is a huge gap so you have to just guess with Jimeze.

[ZombieVito]

Ultimate Gohan seems strong but not exceptional like Kale was, he doesn't seem that amazingly different from SS3 Goku who didn't budge Jiren when medidating. Also for the matter, neither him nor the Super Namekians get hyped by the spectators like Blue/God Goku or Kale were. You know "What amazing pressure/speed/aura" and bla bla, his power just doesn't seem extraordinary like the others.

Also my own U6 powerscale:

Kafla
Hit
Kale
Pilina
Saonel
Caulifla
Cabba
Frost
Magetta
Botamo
Dr Rota

That list looks pretty accurate to me.

I don't think Kale is stronger than the Namekians. A weak SSG Goku was able to keep up with her.

[The_Destroyer]

How would you guys rank the Universe 2 fighters based on their power?

My list would be

My Universe 2 ranking is pretty much the same as yours except Hermilla is way here due to the strength of his blasts:

[spoiler]Brianne de Chateau (Super/Giant Ribrianne)
Zirlion (Ribrianne form)
Zarbuto (Rozie form)
Rabanra (Kakunsa form)
Su Roas/Rozie
Sanka Ku/Kakunsa
Jimeze
Hermila
Zirloin (normal form)
Rabanra (normal form)
Zarbuto (normal form)
Vikal
Prum[/spoiler]

Also did Universe 10:

[spoiler]Obuni
Napapa
Rubalt
Murichim
Dium
Mechiop
Lilibeu
Jirasen
Jilcol
Murisam[/spoiler]

A lot of these guys did absolutely nothing so I just based it on feats. Despite being the first one out, Lilibeu had more powerful attacks than others of universe 10 and only lost because she forgot to fly.