Zombie wrote:Jaco [RF] vs Raditz.
Jaco [RF] vs Bardock [Minus].
Jaco [RF] vs Nappa.
Six armed red demon alien vs Jeice.
Six armed red demon alien vs Chaoz [DBS].
Six armed red demon alien vs Ginyu.
— I'm going to arbitrarily say that Jaco has improved to a PL of 10,000 in
Resurrection F, because why not. He can whoop all these guys easily now.
— Since you're listing these guys, I'll assume it's Shisami before he made any possible improvement before going mano-a-mano with Piccolo. If he's really on par with Zarbon or Dodoria, then he can't really beat any of these guys, except maybe for Chaozu.
Berserker1921 wrote:1. Raditz vs Garlic jr
2. Nappa vs Dr. wheelo
3. Tullece/ Lord Slug vs Ginyu squad
4. Abo and Kado (they can fuse) vs Freeza (namek saga)
5. Metal Cooler vs Android 17/18
6. Super Android 13 vs Android 16
7. Super Perfect Cell vs Hatchiyack
8. Mira vs Broly (movie 10)
9. Buuhan vs Janemba
10. Hirudegarn vs Baby Vegeta (before receiving the armor)
11. Super 17 vs Nova shenron
12. Demigra vs Golden Freeza
12. Beerus vs Omega Shenron
Ah, this should be fun.
1. Assuming that GarlicJunior's immortality is taken away for the fight? He loses. Goku and Piccolo, who I'll assume weren't much different in Movie 1 as they were against Raditz, managed to overpower Garlic Jr through good ol' fashioned teamwork at one point. Unlike Raditz, whom they only beat with extreme suicide tactics and heavily-amplified attacks. So I'm betting that means Raditz is a good chunk stronger than Garlic Junior.
2. Man, poor Nappa gets slaughtered. Based on him countering Goku's Kaio-Ken-fueled Kamehameha and then getting even STRONGER as the fight went up into orbit, Dr. Uiro's more like the movies equivalent of Vegeta.
3. Young Slug has a power level on-par with 1st-form Freeza in my book, so he could pick the entire Ginyu Force apart all by himself. Tullece is just as strong after eating the Fruit of Might and could join in on the fun if he wanted.
4. Avo and Cado are each a bit stronger than 1st-form Freeza, who gets backed into a corner. He transforms directly into his true/final form and turns the tables. After being toyed with for a while, Avo and Cado fuse, and Aka is now actually a challenge for Freeza at 60%. So Freeza is forced to power up to 100%, and in doing so he finally puts his former minions down for the count.
5. Metal Coola increased in strength several times over the course of his fight with Goku and Vegeta. At his weakest, the Android twins could overpower him, but at his strongest he could probably turn things around and beat them.
6. Android 16 is touted as the strongest of Dr. Gero's non-Cell creations in Daizenshuu #7's character dictionary, which was all-inclusive and contained movie characters too. So I'll assume that means he's at least a little bit stronger than Super 13.
7. Can't really make a call on this. I know Hachiyak has multiple forms of varying strength, and one of them was compared to Movie 8 Broli, but beyond that I don't know enough to decide.
8. Same here. If there's some official rough placement for Mira's power, I don't know what it is.
9. I previously considered them equals, but now I've trimmed down my personal placement of Janemba a little bit, and Gohan-Boo has an edge in power over him. He's got Piccolo's brains and battle smarts, so I'm guessing he'll figure out how to finish Janemba off.
10. Aaaaand GT comparisons is when I throw in the towel.
SaiyajinGokuWarrior wrote:Goku (Super) VS Gohan and Vegeta (Cell Saga)
Freeza (FnF Version) VS Whis (Battle of Gods Version.)
Gotenks (Battle of Gods) VS Super Uub (GT)
Vegito (Buu Saga) VS Miira and Towa (Xenoverse)
Majin Buu and Uub VS Goten and Trunks (During Super) (This is before battle of the fusions Begun so take note.)
— Super only takes place about a year and a half or so after Majin Boo, so Goku won't have improved all THAT much yet. But he's still more than strong enough, at equal forms, to beat Gohan and Vegeta from the Cell Games. It'd only take one good hit to KO Vegeta and get him out of the way so Goku could focus on Gohan, who'd at least be a bit of a challenge.
— Even in his new 'Golden' form, Freeza was scared of Beerus, and his performance against Goku shows he was still weaker than him too. Whis is even stronger than that, and much more skilled, so Freeza loses badly.
— Even discounting "GT Logic," I'm sure Gotenks gets his ass kicked. The kids don't train, so Gotenks in
Battle of Gods would probably be overall weaker than in the Boo arc, and maybe not even capable of Super Saiyan 3 any more. Meanwhile, I'd assume that merging with Mr. Boo would make Oob
at least as strong as Evil Boo was, if not even stronger because of no good/evil internal struggle holding back his power.
— If this were Demigra then maybe things would be up in the air, but I doubt that Mira and Towa have the raw power necessary to tango with Super Vegetto.
— Uh... Boo and Oob from when? Doesn't really matter, I guess; Mr. Boo at any point could smack down both of the kids at the same time.
Blocky wrote:Hellspawn28 wrote:Young Piccolo Daimao vs. Kill la Killverse
Would be strong enough solo it or can they stop him?
KP may lose to Ryuko or Ragyo at their most powerful. But he solos at everything else.
I think I probably agree with this. Ryuko and Ragyo during the high-powered finale of the series could probably beat anyone before Raditz.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Yamcha (22nd) vs. Cymbal
Cymbal's supposed to be a lot weaker than Tambourine who full-power Goku beat easily... but I'm betting Yamcha would lose. Even if he's strong enough to put up a fight, he'd find a way to not win.
h0kuten wrote:Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Super Buu
Beerus vs Golden Freeza + Vegeta SSJG SS + GokU SSJG SS
Freeza Final Form (FnF) vs Goku Base (BoG)
Piccolo (FnF) vs Kid Gohan FPMSsj (CG)
— The way I see it, Gohan in the new movies isn't going Super Saiyan
on top of his Ultimate state or anything
(and in BoG he wasn't originally written or animated using Ultimate, either). He's just had it taken away from him and is back to working with Super Saiyan like in the early Boo arc. So he can't do a thing against Evil Boo. Or pretty much
any form of Boo, really.
— Whis already said that Goku and Vegeta working together could fight Beerus evenly, and I'm inclined to believe him. Golden Freeza is on the same level as those two, so making it 3-vs-1 probably means Beerus gets beaten.
— Base post-God Goku was kicking Freeza's ass in Resurrection F, but I'd bet he hadn't improved in raw power
too much since the finale of
Battle of Gods. So this fight would probably be pretty even and could go either way.
— Well if Piccolo in the new film is treated as weaker than a regressed-to-his-Boo-arc-self Gohan, then I guess he's still weaker than Cell Games Gohan too.
h0kuten wrote:Z-Sword Gohan Ssj vs Teen Gohan Ssj (FnF)
Piccolo (FnF) vs Perfect Cell (Full Power)
Kurririn (FnF) vs Jaco
Shisami (FnF) vs Broly LSSJ (M8)
— Not much of a power or skill difference, if any. Flip a coin.
— See my above answer. I'll assume RF Piccolo is still weaker than Cell Games or Boo-arc SS Gohan, so he's still weaker than full-power Perfect Cell too.
— Giving it to Kuririn. No reason to think Jaco's improved THAT much.
— Well, I consider Movie 8 Broli about the same as full-power Cell... who's a good amount stronger than Cell Games SS Gohan... who's still stronger than Piccolo in RF, who was still at least a little bit stronger than Shisami...who gets WRECKED by Broli.
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:Jaco vs. Gohan (dance-off)
Gohan gets schooled. But the Great Saiyaman, on the other hand...
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Drum vs. Old Piccolo Daimao (<50%; the power he fought Goku with.)
*Flips a coin* The victor is... King Piccolo!
Captain Space wrote:1. Vegetto vs. Fat Buu (eating contest; Vegetto can transform if that would help in some way, his metabolism or whatever)
2. Freeza vs. Cooler (wine-tasting)
3. Goku vs. (New 52) Superman (basket-weaving; specified New 52 because Silver Age Supes had a Super-Weaving power, and yes I did just type that sentence)
4. Cell vs. Whis (chess)
5. Jeice & Burter vs. Great Saiyaman 1 and 2 (synchronised gymnastics)
— No matter how comically exaggerated the Saiyans' appetites are, there's no way they're going to match someone who can literally stretch and expand his stomach to fit massive amounts of food.
— How are they actually competing? If it's a straight-up endurance drinking contest, then something tells me Freeza's a lightweight and loses. If it's a fancy-schmancy "who knows more about wine" deal, then that sort of thing strikes me as something Coola would see as a waste of time.
— Superman figures it out and manages to make an impressive product after some time. Goku gets bored within a minute.
— Whis. "Chess mastery" isn't a power or ability that Cell would inherit from any of his progenitors, but Chess strikes me as the type of thing Whis would spend a lot of his free time doing.
— Jheese and Butta definitely win. They actually tirelessly
rehearse their dances and poses as part of their job, while Gohan and Videl's are probably mostly improvised.
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:Ginyu, Jaco, Beerus, Great Saiyaman (last man standing dance-off)
If you mean actual
dancing instead of goofy poses, then... well,
Lord Beerus already answered for me.
Captain Space wrote:Officer Krillin (RF) VS Patrolman Jaco (RF)...crime-fighting contest!
(Bonus round: Same set-up, but throw in the Great Saiyaman (pre-Buu) as team 3 with his own city.)
I'm going to say Kuririn. He knows a lot more about Earthling behavior and laws than Jaco does. Jaco's efforts would be more fun to watch, though.
As for the bonus round... still Kuririn. Gohan's crime-fighting is effective, but a bit more awkward and amateurish because he doesn't actually do much but chase and stop people with raw strength. Booksmart as Gohan is, he doesn't have any real detective training. But just like with Jaco, it'd be a hoot to watch him try.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Bacterian (no smell) vs. Mr. Satan
I'm going to say The Champ wins. Without his secret weapon of extreme pungence, Bacterian's not really anything special.
h0kuten wrote:Beerus (Full Power) + Goku SSJG (BoG) vs Golden Freeza + Goku SSJG SS + Vegeta SSJG SS
I'm guessing Team 2 is more than able to hold out until the opposing Goku loses his god form and his power starts to fade along with it. Then they can take him out easily and focus on overwhelming Beerus.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:- Anime Chichi (23rd TB) vs. Manga Krillin (23rd TB)
- King Chappa (23rd TB) vs.
— I don't remember any major difference between manga and anime Chi-Chi. Kuririn is stronger than her AND has more abilities, including flight. He wins.
— My gut tells me Chappa hits a brick wall against Tambourine or Tenshinhan.
Blocky wrote:SSGSS3 Gogeta and SSGSS3 Vegito vs Pegasus Seiya (w/ Bronze Cloth) and Post-Crisis Superman
Piccolo (End of Z) vs Hatchiyack
EoZ Yamcha vs Dr.Gero
Base 25th WMAT Goku vs Kamiccolo (1st appearance)
Future 18 vs Androids 14 and 15
— The forms for Gogeta and Vegetto are ludicrous, Superman is too, and I don't know a thing about Saint Seiya. Pass.
— I personally think Piccolo could make full-power Cell his bitch by the end of Z, and I think that's about how strong Hachiyak's supposed to be. Gonna give it to Piccolo.
— Dr. Gero's probably between 50% and 100% Freeza in power even BEFORE any absorptions. Yamcha would be lucky if he ever in his whole life broke the 100,000 mark. Gero dispatches of him just as easily as in the Androids arc.
— Disregarding the new movies, Goku would only be moderately stronger than his Boo-arc self, who's still weaker than even Freeza. Merged Piccolo kicks his ass.
— 14 and 15's power is a bit ambiguous, but they were still weaker than the Android-arc Super Saiyans. I'm guessing 18 wins, but it probably won't be easy for her.
Blocky wrote:Battles (equal power)
The Ginyu Force vs Omega Shenron
Piccolo (End of Z) vs Base Vegito
Jaco vs Cui
Zarbon vs Jeice
Bardock vs Android 19
— The Ginyu Force have some weird abilities at their disposal, but so does Yi Xing Long with the powers of the other dragons. This one's a toss-up.
— Basically the combined skills and experience of two people (Goku and Vegeta) against that of three people (Piccolo, Kami, and Nail). I think it's mostly even, but my gut tells me Vegetto would still have a slight advantage. Saiyan combat intuition is pretty darn good.
— I'm going to say Kwi wins. Jaco's got skills, but when it comes to using his ki, he's sub-par. Kwi can at least fly on his own and use potent ki blasts.
— I think Jheese wins. He's at least probably the better fighter, being constantly on the front lines, whereas Zarbon basically spends all his time being Freeza's lap-dog and only picking off weaklings.
— Android 19 probably wins. He's got a built-in power sensor, and Bardock wouldn't have any good counter for getting his energy absorbed. Unless he gets to use Oozaru...
Zombie wrote:SSJ2 Gohan [Post Z Sword] vs SSJ2 Goku [Buu arc].
SSJ2 Gohan [Post Z Sword] vs SSJ2 Goku [DBS].
Goku wins both fights pretty easily. The true secret strength of the Z-Sword was the Old Kaioshin inside it. All that swinging it around really accomplished was improving Gohan's "arm strength." Gohan in RF wouldn't be much different in strength and possibly even worse off in skill.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Gohan post Freeza zenkai vs. Vegeta pre Dende zenkai
— I think Gohan's healing boost probably brought him up from 200,000 to around 300,000 at best. That's a little stronger than Vegeta's 250,000, but Vegeta is the much more skilled and competent fighter, so he probably wins the fight.
Zombie wrote:Shisami [pre training] vs Dodoria.
Shisami [pre training] vs Zarbon [No monster form].
Tagoma vs Dodoria.
Tagoma vs Zarbon [No monster form].
Tagoma & Shisami [pre training] vs Zarbon [monster form].
No good way to tell for any of these. All we got was a relatively vague line about them being similar.
LonelyShadow wrote:Ultra Buu/Buff Buu vs SSJ3 Gotenks (If you think UB is able to defeat Gotenks them change it for Ultimate Gohan)
Gogeta SSJ/SSJ2 vs Ultimate Gohan
Syn Shenron vs SSGSS Goku or Vegeta
SSGSS Gogeta (FnF) vs SSJ4 Gogeta (End of GT)
Speaking of fusions, has there ever been established an official multiplier for both cases (Potara and Metomorans Dance)?
— I think Ultimate Gohan could still defeat "Buff" Boo, but SS3 Gotenks would probably be a little bit outmatched. Maybe they'd be about the same in power, but Gotenks is already prone enough to failure as it is.
— Super Saiyan 1 Gogeta can already lay the smack-down on Gohan. Super Saiyan 2 just makes it a little
extra easy.
— No good way to tell. Next!
— Ditto.
And to answer your question, no. The series just says Fusion makes them "stronger than either person on their own" and the guidebooks say vague things like "many times" or "tens of times" stronger, while referring to different circumstances and characters.
Methuselah wrote:Perfect Cell (at the level when he fought Goku) vs Base Bojack
In raw power I'd say they're about the same. But Cell's regeneration and wide array of abilities will probably give him the edge and let him win.
Zombie wrote:Base Vegeta (DBS) vs Base Goku (DBS, no KK).
Thanks to Bobbidi they were equal for the second half of the Boo arc, but if past trends are any indication, Goku has probably pulled ahead of Vegeta in raw power a little bit over the past year or two. But it's probably still close enough that an actual battle between them could go either way.
Sayo-chan wrote:For the following, assume the fighters have equal battle powers, in a Thunderdome type situation.
Android 17 VS. Freeza (final form-100%)
Raditz VS. Nappa
Eastern Kaioshin VS. Mr. Satan
Imperfect Cell VS. Captain Ginyu
— Android 17 has infinite stamina, while 100% Freeza has very much the opposite. It won't be long at all until Freeza's power and performance drops like a rock and the still-fresh 17 can beat the stuffing out of him.
— Nappa's built like a frickin' tank, and has the durability to withstand extreme attacks like self-destructs and a friggin' Kikoho from people only a few times weaker than him. He's definitely going to outlast Raditz, and his sheer size probably means he'll be physically stronger and do more melee damage too.
— East Kaioshin's got nifty psychic powers. No way Mr. Satan's beating him. Heck, all Kaioshin would have to do is materialize a slab of Katchin right on top of his opponent.
— Since the probe robots didn't follow Goku to Namek, Cell would have zero knowledge of Ginyu and his abilities. So while Cell would have an initial advantage due to his wide range of moves and regeneration and stuff... if Ginyu ends up backed into a corner it'd be pretty easy for him to pull off a Body Change.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:SSJ3 Ultimate Gohan (let's assume that the two powerups stack in this scenario) vs the BoG gauntlet. Suppressed Godku, Godku, Suppressed Beerus, Beerus, Whis.
You mean Ultimate Gohan's power multiplied by 400? If he can maintain that power for any amount of time I'm sure he completely schools everyone. If the godly characters are on a level that Freeza can reach through training, I doubt they're literally a thousand or more times stronger than the heavy-hitters of the Boo arc like Ultimate Gohan.
Noah wrote:- Super Gogeta x Base Vegetto
- Super Gogeta x Super Boo
- Super Gogeta x Super Boo-tenks
- Ultimate Gohan x Super Gogeta
I don't consider Gogeta vastly inferior to Vegetto overall in any way. In my book he's just a few times weaker at most. So I'd say...
— He defeats base Vegetto with utter ease. There's nowhere near a full Super Saiyan 50x power difference between them.
— He beats regular Evil Boo pretty easily.
— This is the only fight that's actually a challenge for him. It'd be similar to Evil Boo vs SS3 Gotenks, except in this case Boo is the one who's on a time limit because of SS3. Gogeta can easily hold out and control the fight until that time limit's up and over half of Boo's power vanishes.
— Gogeta can easily beat Gohan too, but he might actually get some fun out of the fight.
