Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[ToshioWrites]

Was the Completed SSB form Goku used vs Merged Zamasu in the manga a powerup over the normal SSB or was it just SSB with more max power longevity?

[Hugo Boss]

Was the Completed SSB form Goku used vs Merged Zamasu in the manga a powerup over the normal SSB or was it just SSB with more max power longevity?

A mix of both I guess, it seems that it allows Goku and Vegeta to use more power than normally in consequence, but in principle it’s more max power longevity.

[dragon boss z]

I didn't post Goku was afraid but "not confident." He was shaking...He even told the girls later that he wasn't confident in victory. Not too mention after seeing Kale's form again, Goku said "that insane transformation AGAIN!" Vegeta even confirms by stating; "Must be that U6 Saiyan female, Kale's tremendous energy AGAIN!" Why would Blue level warriors and beyond give her such praise "AGAIN" if Kale wasn't worthy of walking through the Blue Kamehameha?

A better question would be why would he continue to fight as a ssj2 against both of them if she is that strong and then go SSG and win if she was strong enough to walk through a full power blue kamehameha?

[majinwarman]

I didn't post Goku was afraid but "not confident." He was shaking...He even told the girls later that he wasn't confident in victory. Not too mention after seeing Kale's form again, Goku said "that insane transformation AGAIN!" Vegeta even confirms by stating; "Must be that U6 Saiyan female, Kale's tremendous energy AGAIN!" Why would Blue level warriors and beyond give her such praise "AGAIN" if Kale wasn't worthy of walking through the Blue Kamehameha?

A better question would be why would he continue to fight as a ssj2 against both of them if she is that strong and then go SSG and win if she was strong enough to walk through a full power blue kamehameha?

I think Kale is more SSG level than bBlue level. Plus, I don't think Goku or Vegeta was thinking that Kale would be that strong anyway. But, that doesn't mean that she could beat full power Goku or Vegeta.

[dragon boss z]

I think Kale is more SSG level than bBlue level. Plus, I don't think Goku or Vegeta was thinking that Kale would be that strong anyway. But, that doesn't mean that she could beat full power Goku or Vegeta.

I agree. She is low god tier imo. She can fight SSG and SSB, but not beat them.

[majinwarman]

I think Kale is more SSG level than bBlue level. Plus, I don't think Goku or Vegeta was thinking that Kale would be that strong anyway. But, that doesn't mean that she could beat full power Goku or Vegeta.

I agree. She is low god tier imo. She can fight SSG and SSB, but not beat them.

Which is pretty strong if you ask me. I don't hate that but that is so power. Kale is no pushover unlike Caulifa or Cabba.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I think Kale is more SSG level than bBlue level. Plus, I don't think Goku or Vegeta was thinking that Kale would be that strong anyway. But, that doesn't mean that she could beat full power Goku or Vegeta.

I agree. She is low god tier imo. She can fight SSG and SSB, but not beat them.

SSBlue is more than 50x stronger than SSGod, you can't be relative to both.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

I think Kale is more SSG level than bBlue level. Plus, I don't think Goku or Vegeta was thinking that Kale would be that strong anyway. But, that doesn't mean that she could beat full power Goku or Vegeta.

I agree. She is low god tier imo. She can fight SSG and SSB, but not beat them.

SSBlue is more than 50x stronger than SSGod, you can't be relative to both.

I don't think it's THAT much stronger. Closer to 2-10 times stronger, numerically speaking.

[majinwarman]

I agree. She is low god tier imo. She can fight SSG and SSB, but not beat them.

SSBlue is more than 50x stronger than SSGod, you can't be relative to both.

I don't think it's THAT much stronger. Closer to 2-10 times stronger, numerically speaking.

That is probably where she is in strength.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I agree. She is low god tier imo. She can fight SSG and SSB, but not beat them.

SSBlue is more than 50x stronger than SSGod, you can't be relative to both.

I don't think it's THAT much stronger. Closer to 2-10 times stronger, numerically speaking.

Goku went from getting demolished by Base Kefla in SSGod to keeping up with SSJ Kefla in SSBlue. And Champa even noted that her SSJ was a lot stronger than expected, meaning it was probably the Berserk variant and even greater than 50x.

[ekrolo2]

SSBlue is more than 50x stronger than SSGod, you can't be relative to both.

I don't think it's THAT much stronger. Closer to 2-10 times stronger, numerically speaking.

Goku went from getting demolished by Base Kefla in SSGod to keeping up with SSJ Kefla in SSBlue. And Champa even noted that her SSJ was a lot stronger than expected, meaning it was probably the Berserk variant and even greater than 50x.

How does the KK factor into this? I think they implied that he was using X20 to fight her.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I don't think it's THAT much stronger. Closer to 2-10 times stronger, numerically speaking.

Goku went from getting demolished by Base Kefla in SSGod to keeping up with SSJ Kefla in SSBlue. And Champa even noted that her SSJ was a lot stronger than expected, meaning it was probably the Berserk variant and even greater than 50x.

How does the KK factor into this? I think they implied that he was using X20 to fight her.

He was even with her as SSBlue, once he activated Kaioken he floored her easily. After this Kefla's power suddenly shoots up to rival the Genki Dama and she wrecks him in one kick.

[Miracles]

I didn't post Goku was afraid but "not confident." He was shaking...He even told the girls later that he wasn't confident in victory. Not too mention after seeing Kale's form again, Goku said "that insane transformation AGAIN!" Vegeta even confirms by stating; "Must be that U6 Saiyan female, Kale's tremendous energy AGAIN!" Why would Blue level warriors and beyond give her such praise "AGAIN" if Kale wasn't worthy of walking through the Blue Kamehameha?

A better question would be why would he continue to fight as a ssj2 against both of them if she is that strong and then go SSG and win if she was strong enough to walk through a full power blue kamehameha?

Caulifla implied Goku got stronger after trading blows against his SSJ2; Asking, "is this the same SSJ2 from before?" Whis even confirms this by saying Goku's "senses are getting sharper fighting the U6 saiyans." Whis also stated that Goku purposely put himself in unfavorably conditions to get "acclimated" to fighting fatigued. Finally, and technically, red Goku never beat Kale like he did Caulifla.

[Bullza]

So how do you think Trunks with the Spirit Sword fares in all this?

He did kill Merged Zamasu pretty easily after all.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

So how do you think Trunks with the Spirit Sword fares in all this?

He did kill Merged Zamasu pretty easily after all.

It wasn't Future Trunks himself, but with the power of a Genkidama shaped into a blade.

We see that even SSB Goku struggled against all odds to survive his own Genkidama, one that he created with the intent of defeating Jiren, a being on the level of a Hakaishin.

[dragon boss z]

SSBlue is more than 50x stronger than SSGod, you can't be relative to both.

No it isn't. There is absolutely no evidence for this. In the manga it is confirmed that AT MAX it is a 5x boost. In the anime there is nothing concrete.

[DBZ Macky]

SSBlue is more than 50x stronger than SSGod, you can't be relative to both.

No it isn't. There is absolutely no evidence for this. In the manga it is confirmed that AT MAX it is a 5x boost. In the anime there is nothing concrete.

To be fair, "AT MAX", SSB could be over a 10x boost over SSG, since SSB Vegeta was reduced to less than 10% of his power.

In the Anime, we see SSG Goku fighting with Base Kefla, and then SSB Goku is able to keep up with SS Kefla. So, assuming SS Kefla is 50x stronger than Base Kefla, SSB should also be a 50x multiplier.

[TheUltimateNinja]

SSBlue is more than 50x stronger than SSGod, you can't be relative to both.

No it isn't. There is absolutely no evidence for this. In the manga it is confirmed that AT MAX it is a 5x boost. In the anime there is nothing concrete.

To be fair, "AT MAX", SSB could be over a 10x boost over SSG, since SSB Vegeta was reduced to less than 10% of his power.

In the Anime, we see SSG Goku fighting with Base Kefla, and then SSB Goku is able to keep up with SS Kefla. So, assuming SS Kefla is 50x stronger than Base Kefla, SSB should also be a 50x multiplier.

SSGod Goku wasn't really fighting, he was just getting owned.

[dragon boss z]

To be fair, "AT MAX", SSB could be over a 10x boost over SSG, since SSB Vegeta was reduced to less than 10% of his power.

But SSB Vegeta was losing to Hit while SSG Goku was winning. That means SSG Goku was stronger than 10% SSB Vegeta, so unless Goku is a good amount stronger than Vegeta, it is less than a 10x boost for sure.

In the Anime, we see SSG Goku fighting with Base Kefla, and then SSB Goku is able to keep up with SS Kefla. So, assuming SS Kefla is 50x stronger than Base Kefla, SSB should also be a 50x multiplier.

ssj Kefla wasn't at full power at first, she ended up being stronger than kaioken Goku. And IMO fusions may not have the same multipliers as it seems their base form brings out more of their true power.

[Bullza]

It wasn't Future Trunks himself, but with the power of a Genkidama shaped into a blade.

We see that even SSB Goku struggled against all odds to survive his own Genkidama, one that he created with the intent of defeating Jiren, a being on the level of a Hakaishin.

Yeah but with that power, how does he rank in comparison to those in the Tournament of Power?

You'd think he'd be below Ultra Instinct Goku who was also running on the Spirit Bombs power.

If then Merged Zamasu was below that Trunks but Super Saiyan 2 Kefla was above the Episode 110 version of Ultra Instinct Goku then does that mean that Kefla was stronger than Merged Zamasu?