The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
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Does he mean Kibito or Kibitoshin? I'm not too familiar with the dub term (?). If it's Kibito, he gets slaughtered. If it's Kibitoshin, then he probably wins. He witnessed Gohan's power and still thought he'd be a use against Boo. I personally place SS2 Gohan after training with the Z Sword above SS2 Goku himself, due to how Goku didn't say Gohan was weaker than him when presented with the thought of him fighting Boo. It's a pretty shaky argument though, but we really have nothing else to base our discussion on.
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I go with Super Perfect Cell. If Kibitoshin was even as strong as Vegeta, he'd have been useful in the final battle. I think Kibitoshin is just under SSJ2 tier.
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I think Kibitoshin is stronger than Super Saiyan Goku, but Super Perfect Cell is still much stronger due to being close to the level SS2 Gohan had in the Cell Games. Perhaps SS2 Gohan from the 25th Budokai would be a better match. He is the weakest SS2, but I think he might have an edge on any non-fused Super Saiyan, like Kibitoshin.nickzambuto wrote:Kibito Kai vs Super Perfect Cell?
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Apparently, the Supreme Kai was above Freeza's level, although, I don't know if he referred to First From Freeza or his Final Form, anyways, Kibito didn't show any actual features other than having amazing healing abilities and the best Instant Transmission variant ever.nickzambuto wrote:Kibito Kai vs Super Perfect Cell?
Kibito Kai was confident of fighting Buutenks, but that's probably because he never experienced that level of power before. He couldn't teleport back to his realm after using the Instantaneous Movement two or three times, I don't recall how many. So, either that technique takes more energy than the Super Saiyan 3 transformation or he was exhausted from listening to Old Kai's dumb things all the time.
I'l say that Kibito Kai is between a 2nd Grade SSJ and a FPSSJ, depending if Supreme Kai was stronger or not than Freeza 100%. In my opinion, he'd poop his supreme pants in front of SPC. If he has any unlockable potential, he could face SPC.
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Kibito Kai vs Vegeta Ssj2 Pre-Majin
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Well based on how nonchalantly Kaioshin dropped Frieza's name, it's safe to assume that the former is leagues above the latter. While Kibito himself would probably be a fodder in the eyes of the tyrant, the multiplier of the fusion itself can work wonders on someone who already wields a power far greater than the emperor of evil. Based on the amount of fear Kaioshin was able to instill into Piccolo, I'd say the overseer confidently sits in a slightly higher realm of power than Cell Jr. As for his outfit making, teleporting, wound healing assistant, I've always seen him in the same neighborhood as 25% of Frieza's final form on Namek. Just pure speculation but the following is what I have in a nutshell.nickzambuto wrote:Kibito Kai vs Super Perfect Cell?
Kibito - 3
Final Form Frieza 100% - 12
Cell Jr. - 135
Super Perfect Cell - 280
SSJ2 Gohan (enraged) - 295 - 300
Kaioshin - 140
Potara Multiplier - results may vary, but considering how the earrings were considered an iconic gem for the Kaioshin, and also considering how much Elder Kai hyped up its usage, I'm pretty confident that even on the horribly low end, the combined powers of the two fusees would at least see a 3x increase and upwards of 5x.
Kibito (3) + Kaioshin (140) = 143 x 3 = Kibito Kai (429)
143 x 5 = Kibito Kai (715)
Potential range - 429 - 715
Toss that all in with Kaioshin's fear of Buu suddenly transitioning into willingness to take on Kid Buu, and I could easily envision Super Perfect Cell taking a major beating.
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I think that East Kaioshin is way weaker than Piccolo(buu saga); Kibito is weaker than Kaioshin for sure, but I don't now where to place Kibitoshin. If he were stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta, why he didn't stick around to fight with Kid Buu?
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Numbers vs Power Levels
2x Final Form Frieza(Namek)vs SSJ Goku
3x Cyborg Frieza vs SSJ Trunks
3x Android 19 vs SSJ Vegeta
3x Dr Gero vs Piccolo
2x SSJ Vegeta vs Cyborg 18
4x Kamicollo vs Imperfect Cell( post-Humans)
4x ASSJ Vegeta vs Perfect Cell
2x MSSJ Goku vs Perfect Cell
5x Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Gohan
10x Majin Vegeta vs Fat Buu
3x Fat Buu(Pre-split) vs SSJ3 Goku
2x Super Buu vs Mystic Gohan
7x Buuhan vs SSJ Vegetto
2x SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Buu
2x Final Form Frieza(Namek)vs SSJ Goku
3x Cyborg Frieza vs SSJ Trunks
3x Android 19 vs SSJ Vegeta
3x Dr Gero vs Piccolo
2x SSJ Vegeta vs Cyborg 18
4x Kamicollo vs Imperfect Cell( post-Humans)
4x ASSJ Vegeta vs Perfect Cell
2x MSSJ Goku vs Perfect Cell
5x Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Gohan
10x Majin Vegeta vs Fat Buu
3x Fat Buu(Pre-split) vs SSJ3 Goku
2x Super Buu vs Mystic Gohan
7x Buuhan vs SSJ Vegetto
2x SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Buu
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AvatarReiko wrote:Numbers vs Power Levels
2x Final Form Freeza(Namek)vs SSJ Goku
Goku gets stomped.
3x Cyborg Freeza vs SSJ Trunks
They probably win half the time.
3x Android 19 vs SSJ Vegeta
1 Android 19 wore Vegeta down until he needed a senzu. 2 stomps him, 3 is over kill.
3x Dr Gero vs Piccolo
Dr Gero stomps.
2x SSJ Vegeta vs Cyborg 18
Probably a toss up. But Vegeta probably wins the majority.
4x Kamicollo vs Imperfect Cell( post-Humans)
Kamicollo still gets trashed.
4x ASSJ Vegeta vs Perfect Cell
Vegeta gets trashed even harder than Pick your nose did by Cell.
2x MSSJ Goku vs Perfect Cell
Goku gets trashed.
5x Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Gohan
They win by their wide variety of techniques and fighting ability.
10x Majin Vegeta vs Fat Buu
Just 2 would be enough. Vegeta blew Boo up into 1 million pieces, all that was needed was an additional Super Saiyan to play clean up.
3x Fat Buu(Pre-split) vs SSJ3 Goku
Goku MIGHT have enough energy to defeat 3. Each 1 is only 2.5x teen gohan in power. It should be close.
2x Super Buu vs Mystic Gohan
Gohan Lol stomps still.
7x Buuhan vs SSJ Vegetto
Vegetto still wins as easy as he did last time.
2x SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Buu
1 Goku should be enough 2 is over kill.
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- Depends, if this is 100% Freeza, Goku get's overwhelmed and defeated, if he doesn't he wins with little difficulty.AvatarReiko wrote:Numbers vs Power Levels
2x Final Form Freeza(Namek)vs SSJ Goku
- Trunks defeated Freeza like it was an insect. I don't see why 3 insects would make a difference, is like putting 3 Super Vegeta's against Perfect Cell.3x Cyborg Freeza vs SSJ Trunks
A heart attack SSJ Goku manage to have the upper hand for most of the fight against A19... Vegeta.3x Android 19 vs SSJ Vegeta
Unless Piccolo gets caught, he should be able to handle them.3x Dr Gero vs Piccolo
Great, now his pride is twice as shattered as before.2x SSJ Vegeta vs Cyborg 18
- Mega Hellzone Grenade combo may be able to destroy Cell. If it doesn't, it's a sad say for the namekians.4x Kamicollo vs Imperfect Cell( post-Humans)
- Again, Cell was unfazed by a direct kick from Super Vegeta, 4 of them would probably make him blink.4x ASSJ Vegeta vs Perfect Cell
- 100% Perfect Cell with few difficulties.2x MSSJ Goku vs Perfect Cell
- Gohan should win, there was a very big difference between the 2 of them, he barely even try during the whole fight against Perfect Cell.5x Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Gohan
- After having a serious debate about who is the prince of all saiyans, 4 of them explode with Majin Buu, In my opinion, that should be enough to stop the regeneration completetly.10x Majin Vegeta vs Fat Buu
- I don't know if the events in the video games should be taken as actual features, but after becoming more powerful he splited in 3 and Trunks said: "that's too much for him, save him! You disgusting creature." I alaways though that SSJ3 Goku was around twice as powerful as that Fat Buu, so that means he could handle them. But kill them seems too difficult and the SSJ3 transformation drains way too much energy. The Buu's win, at least that's what I think.3x Fat Buu(Pre-split) vs SSJ3 Goku
- Gohan plays with them as it was clay.2x Super Buu vs Mystic Gohan
Unless that dumbass let's himself get absorbed.
- Seven? Mmm... I still think that Vegetto stomp over Buuhan was very shameful, this case scenario shouldn't be the same, it would require efforts from the Potara warrior.7x Buuhan vs SSJ Vegetto
Is like Piccolo (Saiyan Saga) vs 7 Saibamen.
- I honestly never trusted Goku's statement about him defeating Kid Buu at 100%2x SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Buu
I just don't see how a fully powered Kamehameha can destroy Buu if he already received many hits from Goku and didn't show any signs of being damaged or exhausted, both, in the manga and the anime.
There's a small chance that two SSJ3 Goku might be able to overwhelm and even kill Kid Buu if they combine their efforts into a single attack, but, there's also a possibility that Buu might think of absorbing one or the two of them. If the regeneration technique of the Majin Buu's really is almost infinite, he could resist enough time before the time for the SSJ3 in the living realm runs out, after that, he turns them into candy or just straight up eat a piece of their faces. I'll say that it could go either way. It mainly depends on the characters' actions during this fictional scenario.
Really nice idea!
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-The 2 Freeza's take this.AvatarReiko wrote:Numbers vs Power Levels
2x Final Form Freeza(Namek)vs SSJ Goku
3x Cyborg Freeza vs SSJ Trunks
3x Android 19 vs SSJ Vegeta
3x Dr Gero vs Piccolo
2x SSJ Vegeta vs Cyborg 18
4x Kamicollo vs Imperfect Cell( post-Humans)
4x ASSJ Vegeta vs Perfect Cell
2x MSSJ Goku vs Perfect Cell
5x Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Gohan
10x Majin Vegeta vs Fat Buu
3x Fat Buu(Pre-split) vs SSJ3 Goku
2x Super Buu vs Mystic Gohan
7x Buuhan vs SSJ Vegetto
2x SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Buu
-Team Cyborg takes this.
-Goku dominated one and Vegeta was stronger, so I think he can handle 3 if he doesn't mess around.
-The Doctors take this. I think they can nab Piccolo.
-18 I believe takes this. I think it'd take 3 or maybe 4 Super Saiyans to beat her.
-Imperfect Cell walks through all of them
-Perfect Cell crushes the Vegeta's
-Perfect Cell crushes the Goku's
-Gohan crushes the Cells considering how 2 held back punches just wrecked one Cell.
-Fat Boo gets lot's of candy. No amount of SSJ2's can take him. He's not on that level.
-The 3 Fat Boo's I think can wear down Goku, especially since SSJ3 is either short lived or taxing depending on being alive or not.
-Gohan stomped Boo so bad that he could stomp 2 no problem.
-I think Vegetto is probably so powerful he could crush them all if he went all out instead of dicking around.
-The Goku's can take it. One was not quite enough to beat Kid Boo, but two of them should cover the weakness of SSJ3 Goku and win.
Cool idea, and all these match ups have way more sense in the numbers game than FNF ever did.
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1. Goku can still win, I think, if he fights smart. I'll call it a 50/50 split.AvatarReiko wrote:Numbers vs Power Levels
2x Final Form Freeza(Namek)vs SSJ Goku
3x Cyborg Freeza vs SSJ Trunks
3x Android 19 vs SSJ Vegeta
3x Dr Gero vs Piccolo
2x SSJ Vegeta vs Cyborg 18
4x Kamicollo vs Imperfect Cell( post-Humans)
4x ASSJ Vegeta vs Perfect Cell
2x MSSJ Goku vs Perfect Cell
5x Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Gohan
10x Majin Vegeta vs Fat Buu
3x Fat Buu(Pre-split) vs SSJ3 Goku
2x Super Buu vs Mystic Gohan
7x Buuhan vs SSJ Vegetto
2x SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Buu
2. Assuming everything goes like it did last time, with Freeza being arrogant and Trunks ambushing him, I see it ending roughly like his fights with Cold and Freeza already did. The Freezas attack him with 70% power, think they killed him, and then he ambushes them and cuts one or two of them in half. The last will then pose no more of a challenge than King Cold. If they all start at 100% power... I think they win.
3. One Android 19 was able to wear Vegeta down to the point he needed a senzu. Two can defeat him. Heck, you'd just need one to distract him and one to grab him.
4. One Dr. Gero would have killed Piccolo by ambushing him, if Gohan wasn't there.
5. 17 said that Vegeta + Trunks + Piccolo would probably be too much for 18. I think another SS Vegeta would be at least as useful as those two. So, I'll give the Vegetas 55/45 odds.
6. Cell. 17 + Kamiccolo already failed to do anything to him. I don't think replacing 17 with a Kamiccolo (same power, less stamina) and adding two more would really help. They could probably hurt Cell before they all die, though, just by hitting him while he's off guard (Kamiccolo did that and busted his lip IIRC).
7. Cell could just power up a bit more and kill them all in one hit each.
8. Same thing. He can go to his full power and kill both Gokus with a single blow.
9. One of them could blow up the planet while the other four distract Gohan, for a technical victory by suffocation.
10. Buu. According to Piccolo, it wouldn't have mattered how many SS2s went at Fat Buu, since he just wasn't on that level. Going by that, as well as his fight with SS3 Goku and the ease with which he crippled Vegeta just by releasing energy in an omnidirectional explosion, the Vegetas can't manage much. He could just do that again to cripple them all, and they can't just wear him down since his stamina regenerates really quickly. Their only hope is to hit him with multiple suicide explosions, and hope like hell that he doesn't take them seriously.
11. Buu. Aside from the whole Xenoverse situation, I think three are enough to just outlast him. They're not weak enough for Goku to quickly kill them all, any damage he accumulates stays while any damage they accumulate goes away quickly, and he'll run out of power after a couple of minutes of fighting.
12. Buu. One Super Buu already defeated him, just by planning ahead with his absorption, leaving a piece of himself in a convenient spot, and distracting him and Goku with some shit talking. Just have one Buu distract him, and the other Buu do that. Or, you know, blow up the planet, if you wanna be boring.
13. Buu. Vegetto wouldn't really have a way to stop them if they all fired at the planet (or the Sun).
14. Goku. Honestly, I think just SS3 Goku + SS2 Vegeta would be enough. Remember that Piccolo stated that even he could completely erase tiny pieces of Buu while he's regenerating (he just didn't know he had to, so he just burned them). Goku blew Pure Buu apart twice in their fight, with Kamehamehas; Buu was able to regenerate, but he didn't attempt to hide himself while he did it (unlike Super Buu, after his self-destruction), and only survived because Goku couldn't maintain his power long enough to press that advantage. If Goku blows Buu apart with his Kamehameha again (and indeed, this was the very first thing he did in their battle), then SS2 Vegeta could just completely erase the pieces of Buu before he can regenerate.
Nice match-ups.
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After the "fight," Coola gathers up as much of the resulting scrap metal as he can find, and makes some cash by recycling it.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:5th form Cooler vs. Android #19 (pre-Ki absorption)
Unknown. We still have no reliable way to compare the power of GT characters and "god arc" characters.LonelyShadow wrote:SSGSS Vegeta (That's my Bulma!) vs Omega Shenron.
— If it's full-powered Fat Boo, then Broli loses, badly. He's a little bit stronger than SS2 Goku or Vegeta but still a good chunk weaker than Boo, and just plain gets his ass kicked. If it's less-than-half-power Good Boo, then... Broli probably still loses. He'll be the stronger one now, but it's very likely he'll get absorbed or turned to candy before he figures out how to put Boo down for good.LonelyShadow wrote:Broly (movie 10) vs Good Buu
Toei SSJ3 Goku (movie 13) vs Buutenks
Mr Satan (young) vs Nam
— I don't buy that Goku in the later movies is "haxed" to be many times stronger than his series self. Gotenks-absorbed Boo still beats him with ease.
— Nam is borderline super-human (at least). Mr. Satan is not. 'Nuff said.
My gut-feeling guess for 1st-form Freeza's power after his training is around that of Evil Boo, since he was said to be far above everyone present at the battle, and Goku and Vegeta were the only hope against him. So if his transformation still increase his power by the same proportions as before... in his 2nd form he'd be moderately stronger than and able to defeat Ultimate Gohan. But his third form would still only be a fraction of Super Vegetto's power, and he'd get his butt whooped. He'd need some respectable amount of his true form's power to overcome the ultimate Fusion.Doctor. wrote:Second-form Freeza (F) vs Ultimate Gohan
Third-form Freeza (F) vs Super Vegetto
— I'd guess King Vegeta was somewhere in the 10,000-12,000 range, given how Saiyan leadership was determined by strength and Bardock (pushing 10,000) wasn't mentioned as a contender for the throne or anything. That'd put him right about even with Freeza's 530,000 power level, so a fight between them could really go either way.Darkron2151 wrote:Super Saiyan King Vegeta vs. Freeza (First Form/Namek)
Super Saiyan Raditz vs. Ginyu Force (Excluding Ginyu)
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Beginning of Namek Saga) vs. Freeza (Second Form/Namek)
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta and Super Saiyan 2 Trunks (Cell Games) vs. Full Power Perfect Cell (If one-sided in the Saiyans' favor, then "Super" Perfect Cell)
— 1,500 times 50 puts Raditz as a Super Saiyan at a PL of about 75,000. So he can coast through the majority of the team, but then immediately gets his butt kicked by Captain Ginyu himself.
— 24,000 times 50 means Super Saiyan Vegeta is right around 1.2 million. So like with his dad in the first match, it's a fairly even fight that could go either way.
— Individually SS2 Trunks or Vegeta would still be too weak to take down full-power Cell, but working together they could probably pull it off. It wouldn't be easy though, and Cell might even take one of them with him.
— I'd say Coola wins. He seems like the all-around more competent fighter, with better control over his power.Sayo-chan wrote:Third form Freeza VS. 2nd to last form Coola ( -Equal battle powers. -No further transformations.)
Meta Coola Army VS. King Cold, Freeza, Freeza's Main Army (Including Ginyu Force)
— I'm with Kamiccolo9 on this one. A single Metal Coola can nuke the entire opposition all at once if he wants. This isn't like the battle in Resurrection F where anyone's purposely holding back to be non-lethal.
If you mean the generic armored robots fight while Coola hangs back like Freeza did, then... Gohan and Piccolo don't hold back, because their opponents are just robots. The two of them at full power wipe out the robots with ease. But that may end up a bad thing, because if they wipe out the army too quickly, Goku and Vegeta may not arrive in time before Freeza starts killing people.Doctor. wrote:Metal Coola army (along with Freeza) comes to Earth in F instead of Freeza's army. How does the fight go?
I dunno... my gut says Yajirobe wins, but it wouldn't be as easy as beating Cymbal.ahill1 wrote:Yajirobe ( first appearance ) vs Tambourine
Well, neither of them managed to hurt anyone they fought, so... inconclusive. That's assuming you mean raging "MY BULMA" Vegeta. If it's just regular SS2 Vegeta, then... he beats recolored SS Gohan pretty easily, but a hypothetical actually-Ultimate Gohan could still likewise easily kick his butt.h0kuten wrote:Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Ultimate Gohan (BoG) ~Using only feats to determine the winner.
So-called potential and limits are a constantly-shifting thing that change with every bit of strength you gain. Muten Roshi being brought "beyond" his current limits is still a helluva lot stronger than Mr. Satan being brought "way beyond" his current limits. The invincible ol' master wins with ease.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Majin Muten Roshi vs. Mystic Mr. Satan
I'm going to say No.19 loses in both situations, and it'd probably be pretty one-sided. Even after having a lot of his own energy drained to the point he may have lost against No.20, Vegeta was still capable of destroying a boosted No.19 with relative ease.Zombie wrote:Android 19 [After absorptions] vs Piccolo [Pre God fusion].
Android 19 [After absorptions] vs SSJ Trunks [Mecha arc].
A simple addition of SS3 Goku's power puts Evil Boo considerably closer to Gohan in power, but still at a noticeable disadvantage. Gohan can still win as long as he doesn't characteristically screw something up.LowRyder2005 wrote:Super Buu (Buu Saga's Goku absorbed) vs. Mystic Gohan (Buu Saga)
I assume you mean Kid Trunks? He gets his face smashed in both fights. Even if he's approaching that level of power, he's a brash and naive kid with only a fraction of Goku and Gohan's fighting skills.Doctor. wrote:Post-RoSaT SS Trunks vs Cell Games SS Gohan
Pre-RoSaT SS Trunks vs Cell Games SS Goku
I've recently downgraded my estimation of Pui-Pui's power, and consider him about as strong as Ozaru Vegeta from the Saiyan arc. But Yamcha would be lucky to ever attain even half that much power. He loses, hard.Hellspawn28 wrote:Buu saga Yamcha vs. Pui Pui
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Lunch VS. Bulma
— I'm going to say Piccolo. He's built more for battle, uses ki more frequently and easily in fights, and has more in the way of exclusive abilities.
— If Bulma has any time at all to prepare, I'm sure she could procure some sort of gadget to neutralize Blonde Lunch and "win." Heck, all she'd have to do is figure out a way to make her sneeze. But if this a more straight-forward "SUDDEN DEATH-MATCH" type of thing... Girlfriend gonna get shot. Game over.
Uh... Saiyan arc characters, maybe? None of her prior inventions have been for the purpose of battle, and she could barely even understand the technology that Dr. Gero used to create Super Saiyan-level artificial power, so...Doctor. wrote:Bulma tries to build a mecha she can ride and use in battle. What's the strongest opponent she can beat?
Goku's got more than enough raw power to beat full-power Cell now, and probably buffed-up Cell too, as long as he doesn't take any serious hits. But "Super Perfect" Cell would still be too much for him, and at best would be a repeat of their actual fight but at a higher level of power.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:SS2 Goku (CG) vs. Perfect Cell
— Goku is at a slight power disadvantage but still wins due to a clear superiority in skill.ahill1 wrote:Gohan SSJ ( 25th Budokai ) vs Goku SSJ ( cell games )
Goten SSJ ( post rosat ) and Kid Trunks SSJ ( post rosat ) vs Gohan SSJ ( cell games )
Chi Chi ( 23rd Budokai ) vs Lunch ( bad )
— Gohan kicks both the boys' asses at the same time.
— Lunch is a normal human with guns. Chi-Chi is a superhuman martial artist with a power level on-par with Muten Roshi. She easily dodges or catches every bullet Lunch fires at her, then zips behind her and KOs her with a light tap to the head.
Tao Pai Pai's advanced ki techniques may give Chi-Chi some trouble, but I think she's got the advantage in power level, meaning raw strength and speed, so she overwhelms him.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) vs. Tao Pai Pai (organic)
— Uh, I'm not as familiar with Ranma ½ as I'd like to be. How "superhuman" does Akane end up? If it's more than what's equivalent to a DBZ power level of 20 or so, then she could beat Videl.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Akane Tendo vs Videl (25th Budokai) ; Restriction: No flight unless she's losing
Videl (Great Saiyaman) vs. Ranfan; Both are half-naked
— Lan Fan's seductive trickery won't work on a straight female, so Videl is in no danger and wins by KO. Gohan is hilariously flustered when he tries to congratulate her afterwards.
— No matter what "logic" you apply to it, Super Saiyan 4 is a ridiculously over-powered form. I'm sure it gives Goku enough power to take down Gohan.LonelyShadow wrote:SSJ4 Goku (Buu Saga) vs Ultimate Gohan. (In this case, we're talking about a hypothetical golden SSJ4 transformation that works more like the SSJ3, it wastes too much energy).
SSJ3 Gotenks (EoZ) vs SSJ2 Goku (GT).
SSJ Goten and Trunks (Pre-Rosat) vs 2nd Grade SSJ Vegeta and Future Trunks.
Piccolo (Post-Rosat) vs Semi-Perfect Cell.
Mr. Satan's mustache vs Ox-King's beard.
— There is no fight. Gotenks suddenly fades out of existence when in proximity of anything from GT.
— The boys are a little stronger, but they may still lose because of a substantial difference in skill.
— I figure Piccolo to be about as strong as "Super Vegeta" was, and he can kick Stage-2 Cell's exoskeleton'd ass just as easily.
— They fight for a while until a mutual respect is formed and they decide to team up against GT Vegeta's mustache.
— We don't have any estimate for Gohan's power after the senzu healed him, really. He could tango with Ginyu-Goku's power of 23,000, but it took him some time before he got up to the 200,000 level he had against Freeza. I'd say Ginyu's still considerably stronger than him and wins easily.LonelyShadow wrote:- Nail, Krillin, Vegeta and Gohan (post-senzu bean) vs Captain Ginyu (no body swap).
- Kamiccolo-sama (Saiyan saga) vs Vegeta.
- SSGSS Vegito (using the Warlock Punch) vs FPSSJ Goku's punch ( with everyone's power absorbed/ the power of friendship).
— Depends. Who's writing the fight, Toriyama or Toei?
I think Vegeta's either even with Cell orvery close to it. So he's capable of winning, but the odds are probably still slightly in Cell's favor.ahill1 wrote:Vegeta SSJ2(pre Majin) vs Super Perfect Cell
— Going to say Gohan. The guidebooks describe Cold's strength as "somewhat inferior" to Freeza, which to me means probably a little under the 100 million mark. Gohan's gotta be stronger than that.Zombie wrote:Future SSJ Gohan [two armed] vs King Cold.
A20 vs A19, both after absorbing Ki.
Weighted Kamiccolo vs A18.
— I think 20 capped out a little stronger than 19 did, and he's probably smarter to boot. So he wins.
— When Piccolo's going all-out at full power and fighting to kill, I doubt his training weights affect his power or performance very much. He probably just removes them for the sake of moving more easily. So he can still probably defeat Eighteen as long as he does it quickly.
— Hard to tell. We don't really know what Spopovich or Yamu's powers ended up being, or any other details about how Bobbidi's power-up effected them, or how that would translate to Videl. Could go either way.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) vs. Majin Videl ; I wonder what the power up can do for someone with MINOR ki control
Adult Gohan (Pre-25th Budokai training) vs. Vegeta (Cell Games)
— Gohan wins. Rusty skills or not, he's still got a pretty darn big power advantage.
Merged Kaioshin is the more powerful one, but his general incompetence may get in the way. I'd say Cell has a 1 in 3 chance of winning.nickzambuto wrote:Kibito Kai vs Super Perfect Cell?
"Pre" meaning when he fought Piccolo? Eh, I'd say he's already a bit stronger than the Future Androids, and the present Androids were in-between him and merged Piccolo. Cell wins.Zombie wrote:Future 18 vs Imperfect Cell [pre]
Same answer as the related Cell fight above. "Power" does not equal actual battle aptitude or all-around competence.h0kuten wrote:Kibito Kai vs Vegeta Ssj2 Pre-Majin
Let's see...AvatarReiko wrote:Numbers vs Power Levels
2x Final Form Freeza(Namek)vs SSJ Goku
3x Cyborg Freeza vs SSJ Trunks
3x Android 19 vs SSJ Vegeta
3x Dr Gero vs Piccolo
2x SSJ Vegeta vs Cyborg 18
4x Kamiccolo vs Imperfect Cell( post-Humans)
4x ASSJ Vegeta vs Perfect Cell
2x MSSJ Goku vs Perfect Cell
5x Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Gohan
10x Majin Vegeta vs Fat Buu
3x Fat Buu(Pre-split) vs SSJ3 Goku
2x Super Buu vs Mystic Gohan
7x Buuhan vs SSJ Vegetto
2x SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Buu
— The Freezas CAN win if they do it quickly before their power starts to fade, but it's not guaranteed.
— Freezas can win again. A third one means it's even more in their favor. As long as they fight at full strength, anyway.
— If Vegeta doesn't let them absorb any substantial amount of energy, then he can still demolish three of them at once. He'll have to do it with a series of massive ki attacks, since the 19s are resistant to physical damage.
— Same deal as above, not much difference.
— One Vegeta alone was already putting up a good fight and doing some minor damage, so two Vegetas may have a decent shot. Only about a 50/50 chance though.
— I don't believe there was some massive, multi-fold power difference between Piccolo and Cell, and I think Piccolo would have done much better if he wasn't already tired and battered from fighting Seventeen. So four fresh and full-power Piccolos can definitely take down Cell before very long.
— If Cell's restricted to the level of power he actually used, then a whole four Vegetas may be able to wear him down. But he'd only have to power up a little bit to turn that around.
— One Goku already gave Cell an amazing fight. Two Gokus WIN that fight.
— Gohan's only going to tank so many punches right to the face before he actually starts to feel them. Five or even four Cells may be enough to beat him, but three or less probably wouldn't be.
— Boo isn't the type to be "worn down" by fighting multiple opponents. The ten Vegetas can swarm him and blast him and do all kinds of things. But unless they figure out some way to actually combine their power and generate an attack that completely finishes him off (which they very may well manage to do), he's just going to keep bouncing back and gradually wear them down instead.
— If Goku goes all-out and fights to win from the start, he can wipe out all three Boo's quickly before Super Saiyan 3's power drain starts to affect him.
— Not sure. I think there's too big of a power difference. Three Boos could possibly do it but I don't think two can.
— Pfft, you kidding? Vegetto actually fights seriously at full power, and all the Boos go bye-bye.
— One SS3 Goku was already pretty close to taking out Pure Boo, so I'm positive that two could do it. One Goku keeps Boo occupied while the other builds up his ki and pulls off the big attack needed to win.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Mr. Buu was putting up a fight against Pure Buu. He one-shots Broly.LonelyShadow wrote:Broly (movie 10) vs Good Buu
Toei SSJ3 Goku (movie 13) vs Buutenks
Mr Satan (young) vs Nam
We saw Toei Goku vs Buutenks, you know. Goku caught Buutenks totally off guard and hit him dozens of times. Buu was completely unharmed; he didn't even have dirt on him.
Nam > Bob Sapp > Mr. Satan
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Goku Ssj4 (Buu) vs Gotenks Ssj3 Post-ROST (Buu)
Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Z-Sword Gohan Ssj2 (Buu)
Good Boo + Evil Buu + Fat Buu vs Goku Ssj3 (Buu)
Kid Buu vs Goku Ssj3 + Good Boo + Vegeta Ssj2 (All at the same time)
Raging Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)
Ultimate Gohan (BoG) vs Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Z-Sword Gohan Ssj3 vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu)
Ultimate Gohan (BoG) vs Gotenks Ssj3 Post-ROST (Buu)
Gotenks Ssj Post (BoG) vs Good Buu (BoG)
Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Z-Sword Gohan Ssj2 (Buu)
Good Boo + Evil Buu + Fat Buu vs Goku Ssj3 (Buu)
Kid Buu vs Goku Ssj3 + Good Boo + Vegeta Ssj2 (All at the same time)
Raging Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)
Ultimate Gohan (BoG) vs Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Z-Sword Gohan Ssj3 vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu)
Ultimate Gohan (BoG) vs Gotenks Ssj3 Post-ROST (Buu)
Gotenks Ssj Post (BoG) vs Good Buu (BoG)
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
-SSJ4 probably grants Goku an easy win. It's just that powerful.h0kuten wrote:Goku Ssj4 (Buu) vs Gotenks Ssj3 Post-ROST (Buu)
Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Z-Sword Gohan Ssj2 (Buu)
Good Boo + Evil Buu + Fat Buu vs Goku Ssj3 (Buu)
Kid Buu vs Goku Ssj3 + Good Boo + Vegeta Ssj2 (All at the same time)
Raging Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)
Ultimate Gohan (BoG) vs Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Z-Sword Gohan Ssj3 vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu)
Ultimate Gohan (BoG) vs Gotenks Ssj3 Post-ROST (Buu)
Gotenks Ssj Post (BoG) vs Good Buu (BoG)
-FNF Gohan is pitiful, SSJ2 Gohan stomps badly.
-I think the Boo's can wear him down, unless Goku can manages to quickly bypass their regeneration.
-The team wins. Goku charges his attack while Vegeta and Boo distract.
-Vegetto feels a breeze that was Vegeta's punches, and then blows in his direction. Vegeta is KOed.
-FNF Gohan is completely irrelevant and fodder to all the Gohan in this fight. Z-Sword Gohan is far weaker than the other Gohan's who had their potential brought far beyond their limits, and with a no stamina issues. I give it to Boo saga Gohan as he's probably less rusty than BOG Gohan when it comes to skill.
-Gohan isn't noted as weaker, so he probably he isn't. He still stomps them like he did Super Boo.
-Gotenks as long as he doesn't dick around, otherwise Boo can outlast in a 2/8 odds.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
-SS2 Gohan gives SS Gohan a beatdown. We have absolutely no reason to believe that faff Gohan is anything other than what he appears to be: SS Gohan.h0kuten wrote:Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Z-Sword Gohan Ssj2 (Buu)
Good Boo + Evil Buu + Fat Buu vs Goku Ssj3 (Buu)
Kid Buu vs Goku Ssj3 + Good Boo + Vegeta Ssj2 (All at the same time)
Raging Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)
Ultimate Gohan (BoG) vs Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Z-Sword Gohan Ssj3 vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu)
Ultimate Gohan (BoG) vs Gotenks Ssj3 Post-ROST (Buu)
-I think Evil Buu could win this alone. His performance against Mr. Buu was demonstrably superior to Kid Buu's.
-As I said, SS3 Goku + SS2 Vegeta are already enough. Mr. Buu + SS2 Vegeta could also probably do it, but it'd be hard. SS3 Goku + Mr. Buu could do it really easily. With all three at once, it's even easier. The minimum power required for completely erasing pieces of Buu after he gets blown apart (which SS3 Goku managed to do to Pure Buu) is Piccolo-level. SS3 Goku can just blast Pure Buu into bits with a Kamehameha, and then SS2 Vegeta can go around and completely erase the pieces with his ki. It's not like Pure Buu's going to make any effort to hide what he's doing either, as Super Buu did when he self-destructed.
-Vegetto gives his lesser half a beatdown.
-Z-sword SS3 Gohan would be weaker than Ultimate Gohan [Buu], since SS3 draws a saiyan's potential to its limits, while Elder Kaioshin's power-up draws a saiyan's potential way beyond its limits. Faff Gohan is just a Super Saiyan who would lose to Cell, so he's complete fodder. It comes down to BOG Gohan vs Buu arc Gohan. Considering how pathetically weak Gohan is in faff, which is only a year after BOG, I have a hard time believing that Gohan was still supposed to be as strong as his Buu arc self in BOG; his Ultimate power-up was probably reduced to a pale shadow of its former power (which... might explain some inconsistencies). So, Buu arc Gohan stomps.
-SS Gotenks was still confident in defeating Beerus (or at least stalling him and then transforming to win, a la his fight with Buu), even after he saw Beerus take Gohan down with a kick and a headbutt (though Gohan wasn't seriously injured by that, just out cold, iirc). Since Goten and Trunks know how powerful Gohan is and acknowledged his superiority to Gotenks in the Buu arc, this implies that SS Gotenks could have done roughly the same thing to Gohan...
Goten and Trunks fusing after Gohan loses and acting like they've basically won by doing so, along with Vegeta not throwing out his "I never thought that Beerus could be this powerful!" until after Gotenks loses, seems like pretty clear evidence that Gotenks was the strongest at the time even without using SS3.
[Though this is the same movie where Piccolo tried to bumrush the guy who defeated Good Buu, so obviously no one cared about logical power scaling here]
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I'd honestly peg Gotenks at a bit more powerful, but it'd be pretty close by this point. Goku's smarter and Gotenks has a time limit--Goku wins.h0kuten wrote:Goku Ssj4 (Buu) vs Gotenks Ssj3 Post-ROST (Buu)
Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Z-Sword Gohan Ssj2 (Buu)
Good Boo + Evil Buu + Fat Buu vs Goku Ssj3 (Buu)
Kid Buu vs Goku Ssj3 + Good Boo + Vegeta Ssj2 (All at the same time)
Raging Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)
Ultimate Gohan (BoG) vs Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Z-Sword Gohan Ssj3 vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu)
Ultimate Gohan (BoG) vs Gotenks Ssj3 Post-ROST (Buu)
Gotenks Ssj Post (BoG) vs Good Buu (BoG)
Z-Sword Gohan. I got the impression that RF Gohan was even weaker than his Great Saiyaman arc self.
Sure, Goku could've beat Fat Buu during their fight, but it's not like he was holding back most of his power or anything; he took some real damage during the fight, and the energy he expended left him exhausted. So the Buu's should be able to wear him down--especially since taking down one Buu takes long enough, and SSJ3 is like the least efficient means of fighting an opponent as durable as Buu.
The team, assuming Goku's not worn out or anything.
Vegetto. Given that they specifically mentioned that Beerus would be above Vegetto, I think they'd have found it worth mentioning if Vegeta had surpassed him too. Plus, Vegeta'll wear himself out pretty quickly.
Ultimate Gohan (Buu). He'd probably lost a bit of power by BoG, and definitely lost a lot of power by RF. My best guess is that Z-Sword Gohan with SSJ3 would be somewhere in the ballpark of Goku's power, which I put mystic Gohan significantly above. Not to mention the time limit, even if it was closer.
Still Gohan. If he's still in his mystic state, I don't think he's lost that much power yet.
Gotenks, easily (given his confidence at facing Fat Buu and everyone else also being confident of this, not to mention the damage he caused to Super Buu while in SSJ1), unless he screws around for his entire time limit--but I don't think he will, he was seconds away from finishing Super Buu even with the reduced time limit from SSJ3. With a whole half an hour, he'll pull his act together in time.
I put this more down to the intent probably having been to make Gohan SSJ in the movie, hence it would make sense that Gotenks would be his superior. But with the final product being as it is, I still put that Gohan above Gotenks (due to Beerus using actual forceful attacks on him, whereas his 'attacks' on Gotenks were just messing around, much like with Piccolo, 18, etc.), but I understand why people would think otherwise.RandomGuy96 wrote:
-SS Gotenks was still confident in defeating Beerus (or at least stalling him and then transforming to win, a la his fight with Buu), even after he saw Beerus take Gohan down with a kick and a headbutt (though Gohan wasn't seriously injured by that, just out cold, iirc). Since Goten and Trunks know how powerful Gohan is and acknowledged his superiority to Gotenks in the Buu arc, this implies that SS Gotenks could have done roughly the same thing to Gohan...
Goten and Trunks fusing after Gohan loses and acting like they've basically won by doing so, along with Vegeta not throwing out his "I never thought that Beerus could be this powerful!" until after Gotenks loses, seems like pretty clear evidence that Gotenks was the strongest at the time even without using SS3.
[Though this is the same movie where Piccolo tried to bumrush the guy who defeated Good Buu, so obviously no one cared about logical power scaling here]
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Gotenks was confident in defeat Beerus even though he saw Gohan loose? This means he must be around the same strength? This is incorrect. Gotenks thought he could defeat Fat Boo despite seeing Vegeta lose, does this mean Gotenks Base Pre > Majin Vegeta? Nope! The fight between Gotenks & Boo was so pathetic Toriyama didn't even bother drawing it.
Vegeta told Gotenks not to fight Beerus -having lost himself, but Gotenks doesn't listen. If you want to twist things like this and adhere to silly things I can equally argue that the feats show Vegeta being the strongest amongst them.
Vegeta told Gotenks not to fight Beerus -having lost himself, but Gotenks doesn't listen. If you want to twist things like this and adhere to silly things I can equally argue that the feats show Vegeta being the strongest amongst them.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Same character IMO. SSJ2 gives Z Sword Gohan the win.h0kuten wrote:
Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Z-Sword Gohan Ssj2 (Buu)
Good Boo + Evil Buu + Fat Buu vs Goku Ssj3 (Buu)
Kid Buu vs Goku Ssj3 + Good Boo + Vegeta Ssj2 (All at the same time)
Raging Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Super Vegetto (Buu)
Ultimate Gohan (BoG) vs Gohan Ssj (FnF) vs Z-Sword Gohan Ssj3 vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu)
Ultimate Gohan (BoG) vs Gotenks Ssj3 Post-ROST (Buu)
Gotenks Ssj Post (BoG) vs Good Buu (BoG)
The Buu team wins.
They might manage something if they really work together.
Vegetto one shots.
Ultimate Gohan one shots both of them.
Ultimate Gohan till wins.
Good Buu one shots.







